Jazz to get 737-800

[teacher]

Funny how people crap on the wages at Jazz and now that we have a chance (Only a chance) to fly bigger equipement, bring in more revenue per crew and raise our pay folks get up in arms that Jazz shouldn't do this and that. A little double standard yes?

[confuzed]

Holy F$%k, enough with the pathetic wage topic at Jazz. Get over it. For a company with a pathetic wage of $110K to fly a dash or a RJ it surprises me that there is a never ending line up of pilots applying here.

Don't like it, Don't apply.

As for the rest, yes squak you said it. Can't we all be happy for each other.

No disrespect intended here, just want to point something out. You brag about being able to make $110K to fly a dash or an RJ, but my question/point is this.....How long does it take you to ACTUALLY make that kind of wage?? From my understanding it's a REALLY long wait to get anywhere those kind of figures which is pretty much the reason IMHO that people attack your wages. Please correct me if i'm wrong though.

[KAG]

Teacher, I truly hope you guys get this off the ground; Jazz could use a moral boost. I also hope you don't agree to do it for the current wage, which I can’t see you doing… if it weren’t for Canjet; their wages are similar to yours, same type of machine/flying is a bargaining chip against a wage increase.
I'll admit my reasons are selfish as our future negotiations, when it comes to wages, are based on medium plus X percentage. And if you flew 737's at your current rate, your wages would lower the medium.
Again I hope you guy’s get this and get a wage hike. I also hope the economy turns around to support this and others expanding, it is a big sandbox after all.

Flyinhigh
Making 110K flying a Dash/RJ sounds great but be honest, it just takes too damn long to reach it. Going left seat at the most junior base takes too long forget a senior base, and the FO wage is low; Too low to start for the experience level that Jazz has traditionally hired with (some exceptions obviously apply). That’s what people complain about. The upper CPT wages for your equipment is good, years of service is great, routes/ schedule / perks are on par with anyone in Canada. Now if only there was movement again from the higher ranks to mainline, the bottle neck would be cleared, and I dare say Jazz’s moral (and resume pile) would improve exponentially.
One can hope.

[mattedfred]

your kidding me right?

WJ starts up and pays below industry wages until the company is forced to pay industry wages in order to keep the pilot group from unionizing and your complaining that ACJ may pay less than industry wages which you think will hurt your chances of a raise

you are the most humble group of pilots i have had the pleasure of knowing

you have know idea that you have benefited in the least from those that came before you

[Dick]

"Know idea"?

[Johnny#5]

"Know idea"?

get over it...

[KAG]

your kidding me right?

WJ starts up and pays below industry wages until the company is forced to pay industry wages in order to keep the pilot group from unionizing and your complaining that ACJ may pay less than industry wages which you think will hurt your chances of a raise

you are the most humble group of pilots i have had the pleasure of knowing

you have know idea that you have benefited in the least from those that came before you

Matted…
Our contract is based on a medium wage of Canadian 737 operators, and if I sound greedy for not wanting that medium to lower, whose problem is it really?! Sorry if I don’t want to see our industry further degraded.
Yes WJ paid less then industry standard when they opened (in the mid 90’s), they also paid stock options too. Incase you missed it those options made each one of those original pilots millionaires. And after that when the options stop paying the wages went up, and have continued ever since.
I’m also very aware and very grateful of my peers and what they have worked to attain in our current contract over its evolution and the perks I now enjoy. Believe me when I tell you I consider myself very fortunate.

I find it hard to believe you’d actually take offense to that, and judge me to be ignorant.

I hope that if/when you and your peers are offered that contract, you look past the metal and see it’s just a plane. I also hope you don’t sell yourselves short.

[Localizer]

Kag ...

How long has it been since you made the jump from Jazz to Westjet now? ....

Just curious to know how long the transition of moving on and forgetting took.

Loc

[Minimums]

Maybe if they did get a couple, some would actually consider staying at Jazz rather than taking the first exit out like they usually do

[AirMail]

funny about the whole wage thing as most of you guys complaining about it worked for crappy wages at the beginning of your careers and perhaps bought ppc's, and as usual true hypocrisy and ill intent prevails on avcanada, no wonder this site has become shite, yes I know don't like don't come here, I rarely do. There will always be enough pilots to fly something for substandard pay.

I say congrats to Jazz, for expansion and providing more work for those unemployed pilots out there. Perhaps you'll laugh when the next pilot contract when you get pay raises on those 37s perhaps better than that of WJ But it doesn't matter, at least it's not news of lay offs and such.

[Bede]

Just to put some realism into this. This is not a done deal: news of negotiation was made by the other party, not Jazz, and from what has been implied, Jazz was not consulted on releasing this information to the public. I have been told that negotiations such as these have been discussed many times before, before negotiations failed. It just so happened that this time, someone talked to the media prematurely, so I'm not holding my breath for anything.

[Legacy]

your kidding me right?

WJ starts up and pays below industry wages until the company is forced to pay industry wages in order to keep the pilot group from unionizing and your complaining that ACJ may pay less than industry wages which you think will hurt your chances of a raise

you are the most humble group of pilots i have had the pleasure of knowing

you have know idea that you have benefited in the least from those that came before you

I am just taking a wild stab here but I think you would have a hard time trying to convince those pilots at WJ that got "paid below industry wages" that they made a mistake in doing so. You DO have SOME kind of idea what their net worth is now don't you? Please don't tell me you made your comment out of defense and not based on facts.

[mattedfred]

you do know the difference between wages and compensation right?

you do realize that every airline in canada and some outside canada use our wages as benchmarks right?

you do realize that they don't include compensation in these benchmarks right?

i am well aware that the OWJ pilots are very wealthy due to their overall compensation

you do know that WJ does not exist in a vacuum right?

[Legacy]

you do know the difference between wages and compensation right?

you do realize that every airline in canada and some outside canada use our wages as benchmarks right?

you do realize that they don't include compensation in these benchmarks right?

i am well aware that the OWJ pilots are very wealthy due to their overall compensation

you do know that WJ does not exist in a vacuum right?

You ARE aware that you sound like a person that is more concerned about everyone else rather than yourself? Are you mad WJ never called you for an interview? Is that it? That is usually the first reason why pilots get a chip on their should towards aviation companies. You ARE aware that the OWJ don't really give a crap about you slamming their decision? I wouldn't either. You should spend less time being negative and harness that energy to better your position in life. You could slam my job all you want but in the end I will shrug my shoulders and laugh inside meanwhile continue to be happy. When it comes down to it, who really cares?

[mattedfred]

i find it interesting that when you discuss certain matters with certain WJ pilots they often get defensive and resort to personal attacks

why so defensive?

why do you feel the need to resort to personal attacks?

i hope that another WJ pilot is willing to discuss this issue as i think it is beneficial

and of course there are pilots at every airline that behave this way but i expect more from the WJ pilot group which you should see as a sign of respect

you guys have an opportunity to become the leading airline in canada in terms of WAWCON and the so called 'brass ring'

don't let either your ego or that fact that some of us will ask you for clarification deter you from this

[Legacy]

HUH? Attacks? which post are you reading? I think you are getting mixed up. I believe my posts point was that your comments about degrading WJ slides off our back. Again, whatever. Have fun!

[Localizer]

Legacy,

You need to relax ... I don't think Mattedfred is slamming anyone for their decision or bashing WJ ... he's just trying to make a point. If you wanna see post where people bash others for their decision then re-read any post regarding Jazz and there wages. But like Confuzed said .. people keep applying ...



Loc

[teacher]

You know, Westjet's wages weren't all that until their contract was renegogiated a little while back. The guys at Jazz have been stuck in this CCAA imposed contract for the last 5 1/2 years. Without the benefit of a new contract between than and now of course the wages are sub par however, I think we should all reserve judgement until the new C.A. comes out.