WASAYA WANNABE PROGRAM?

[fingersmac]

Well, I'm afraid you're wrong. Right seat time acquired in a Caravan run two-crew as per the company ops manual is counted in the eyes of TC. You're entitled to your opinion and it is just that, an opinion.

[vrrotate]

You can also work a 15 hour day provided the company has the OPS spec in increase flight duty times and complies with CAR 720.16

The standards for increasing the flight duty time limits for flight crew members are:

(1) Where the flight is conducted under Subpart 2 or 3 of Part VII of the Canadian Aviation Regulations or with a deHavilland DHC-6 aircraft not conducting a scheduled passenger service, or with a helicopter not conducting a scheduled passenger service or heli-logging, for the 6 non-overlapping periods of 30 consecutive days referred to in subsection 720.15(1), the maximum flight duty time may be extended to 15 consecutive hours if:
(amended 1998/03/23; previous version)

(a) the minimum rest period is increased by 1 hour; or

(b) the maximum flight time does not exceed 8 hours in any 24 consecutive hours.

[iflyforpie]

I fully agree with mustard. Flying 14 -15 hour days by yourself, reconfiguring, throwing freight, wears you down. Why not have another guy there to fly every other leg and log it as well as help out with the rest. As long as it is logable I dont see how it could do any harm.

Correct me if I'm wrong here (I could well be) I don't think you CAN fly 14-15 hour duty days single pilot? If you are, then you are being "pushed".
Further to that, a two pilot SOP does not make right seat time in a Caravan count. We could very easily develop a two pilot SOP for a 150. Could you log that? Nope. The time would not count towards a higher licence or requirement thereof. Let me rephrase that slightly. You can log ANYTHING. Even passenger time.....but it doesn't mean anything.

Yup, totally wrong.

703.86 No air operator shall operate an aircraft with passengers on board in IFR flight with fewer than two pilots unless the air operator

(a) is authorized to do so in its air operator certificate; and

(b) complies with the Commercial Air Service Standards.

That means if the company doesn't want to get that authorization, or decides that two pilots are better than one for IFR operations, then they develop the SOPs per the Commercial Air Service Standards and yes, the 2nd pilot can log co-pilot time. This wouldn't apply to the Cessna 150 or any aircraft; just aircraft that are allowed to go IFR, like the Caravan.

Only a fool would see no value in that time in comparison to an aircraft that has another set of knobs.

I know your feelings about SEIFR, but statistics seem to show that single pilots are more likely to auger in than single turbine engines. But of course, only stupid people make mistakes.

[frankfrank]

I fully agree with mustard. Flying 14 -15 hour days by yourself, reconfiguring, throwing freight, wears you down. Why not have another guy there to fly every other leg and log it as well as help out with the rest. As long as it is logable I dont see how it could do any harm.

Correct me if I'm wrong here (I could well be) I don't think you CAN fly 14-15 hour duty days single pilot? If you are, then you are being "pushed".
Further to that, a two pilot SOP does not make right seat time in a Caravan count. We could very easily develop a two pilot SOP for a 150. Could you log that? Nope. The time would not count towards a higher licence or requirement thereof. Let me rephrase that slightly. You can log ANYTHING. Even passenger time.....but it doesn't mean anything.

I see 2 people already beat me to proving you wrong but comparing a 150 to a caravan isnt really a lateral comparison. You do realize that the Caravan has two full sets of instruments dont you???

[Doc]

Correct me if I'm wrong here (I could well be)
I see 2 people already beat me to proving you wrong but comparing a 150 to a caravan isnt really a lateral comparison. You do realize that the Caravan has two full sets of instruments dont you???

Two sets of instruments? You don't say. I hadn't noticed! I've never seen where two sets of instruments are a requirement for a second pilot? I'm sure you'll quote me the CARS? I've flown DC3's with a single set of instruments....they do require a co-pilot, though.
Also, there is no reason (other than common sense) you can't fly a 150 under IFR? If you were operating, say a bag run, and the company required two crew, you're saying it couldn't be done in a 150? It's a single engine airplane, that you "could" operate IFR, so why couldn't a co-pilot log time on it?
You know I'm screwing with you, right? Of course an extra set of hands to unload, and a second set of eyes to see.....BUT, you sure don't NEED a co-pilot on a Caravan.

[frankfrank]

No but it gives a fellow pilot a job and a seat so why dont we just leave it at that before you convince the wrong people and these opportunities are gone... again. As long as its logable and people are building their hours and gaining experience lets let sleeping dogs lie and put this one to rest

[Doc]

Okay....sleep you dogs! Sleeeeeeppppp.

[mbav8r]

720.15 Flight Time Limitations

The standards for increasing the flight time limitations for flight crew members are:

(1) Where the flight is conducted under Subpart 2 or 3 of Part VII of the Canadian Aviation Regulations or with a deHavilland DHC-6 aircraft not conducting a scheduled passenger service or with a helicopter not conducting a scheduled passenger service or heli-logging, for any 6 non-overlapping periods of 30 consecutive days within a 365 consecutive day period, the maximum flight time in any aircraft shall not exceed:
(amended 1998/03/23; previous version)

(a) where the flight crew member conducts single-pilot IFR operations, 8 hours in any 24 consecutive hours;
The first one on the list is why you have an FO, if not you would be limited to 8 hours flight time, you can still go to 15 hours duty but 8 flt. During all of my 703 time, I always had a single pilot check out aswell as two crew. You did the whole ride with an FO, demonstrating adherence to the sop's then did 1 approach single pilot with the A/P and voila your good for both. I also remember that unless your ops manual specified that you always flew 2 crew, the FO technically could only log IFR time.
It was in our ops manual that medevacs were 2 crew, so it didn't matter vfr/ifr was log time, but charter work had to be filed IFR for the FO to log it.
For the record, I think single pilot IFR is some of the most dangerous flying you'll do and having an FO beside you is usually a very valuable resource who may someday save your bacon.