How does WestJet keep this stuff out of the news??

[xsbank]

"If the stopping distance exceeds the runway length, you get a message back saying "LANDING DISTANCE EXCEEDED."

Interesting. How much discretion do you have, say if the runway landing distance is, say, 200 feet less than the available, how much of a buffer do you use?

[Rotten Apple #1]

"If the stopping distance exceeds the runway length, you get a message back saying "LANDING DISTANCE EXCEEDED."

Interesting. How much discretion do you have, say if the runway landing distance is, say, 200 feet less than the available, how much of a buffer do you use?

Among other types, I'm type rated on the Airbus 310, 320, and 330, as well as the 737NG series. Why don't you tell us what types you're rated on before I bother to take my hand out of my shorts to type a response to your post.

[Tiny Voices]

We only see the "LANDING DISTANCE EXCEEDED" message if the distance exceeds runway length for all four Autobrake settings (1, 2, 3, MAX). If the landing distance is in excess of one, or two, or three settings, but not the next level up, then the exceeded fields will be blank and a landing distance is returned for any brake setting that does not exceed the runway length. There is no credit for headwind or reverse and a Boeing touchdown is assumed (firmly planted on the thousand foot markers), Autobrake engaged till stopped. No built in buffer. If the stopping distance is within 200ft of the field length, land or not would be PD.

[BibleMonkey]

"If the stopping distance exceeds the runway length, you get a message back saying "LANDING DISTANCE EXCEEDED."

Interesting. How much discretion do you have, say if the runway landing distance is, say, 200 feet less than the available, how much of a buffer do you use?

Among other types, I'm type rated on the Airbus 310, 320, and 330, as well as the 737NG series. Why don't you tell us what types you're rated on before I bother to take my hand out of my shorts to type a response to your post.

For some reason I opened this forum bang on this post.

Of course, with the way my mind works, I had to start wondering what you used to type that post.

Since your hand is ( understandably, sometimes a hand has to be in underwear for some reason ) not typing.

So I called my wife over, and she read your post;
-she says
" well, he used his other hand-the one not in his shorts to type that , of course"



I disagreed-now we're having a big fight.

Thanks a lot, you bastard

[jjj]

Just got in from work to find my previous post EDITED - thanks mods - alarms will be going off again shortly at AVCANADA HQ as soon as I hit the submit button. Yes, b/c blaming the Mods for your posting habits makes sense somewhere. Try again SVP

Complexintentions - excellent post.

Johnny D and tiny - thanks for taking care of my antagonist - you saved me some typing at the end of a long day.

Loved the .pdf from the 605 manual - made my day!

I'll save you the trouble mods,


EDITED Much appreciated

[Legacy]

OBVIOUSLY NONE OF YOU READ WHAT I POSTED. READ IT AGAIN. HENCE THE CAPS


EDITED to add: How about everybody take a deep breath and relax a little bit? This isn't exactly an Earth shattering event, discuss it civilly, or it's getting locked.

[xsbank]

Let's hear from the Westjet Choir -

From what I am reading here, you input the available runway length, then ACARS sends you the autobrake setting which you physically set, then all you have to do is land on the numbers and you are golden?

So I'll re-state my premise:

1. wrong runway length input due to inability to read a notam
2. set the wrong autobrake setting
3. did not land on the numbers and unable to compensate for pre-selected autobrake setting
4. did not land on the numbers and therefore should have gone around
5. crew assumed that the Acars are always correct - maybe the numbers were not even read so the close-to-the-end wasn't noticed?
6. the God thing

I apologize for my post on the FMS, I made a huge assumption that if all the aircraft I am familiar with have FMS-ability then all aircraft work similarly. I forgot that airlines are cheap and don't trust their crews, therefore the stripped-down FMS. RJs only have one FMS.

I have three. We use data-link for flight-plans and weather but we allow the FMS to figure out our own performance. We also don't go Calgary-Abbotsford 7,486 times in our careers so that kind of complacency doesn't creep in. Oh, that's another possibility?

I'm glad that Westjet is concerned with this event and I hope they bully you 'pilots' with it during your next recurrent - better hit the books! I have been known to fly places with Westjet, when their prices are cheaper than Air Canada, that is, and I will be glad to know that the plane I ride in has new tires!

I'll be sure to look.

Bible Monkey, your posts are a hoot.

[yycflyguy]

Just got in from work to find my previous post EDITED - thanks mods - alarms will be going off again shortly at AVCANADA HQ as soon as I hit the submit button. Yes, b/c blaming the Mods for your posting habits makes sense somewhere. Try again SVP

Complexintentions - excellent post.

Johnny D and tiny - thanks for taking care of my antagonist - you saved me some typing at the end of a long day.

Loved the .pdf from the 605 manual - made my day!

I'll save you the trouble mods,


EDITED Much appreciated

JJJ - you are on fire brother. When is the last time one of your posts made it through the laundry?

[J31]

If you have been into Abbotsford recently you will notice that runway 07-25 has been shortened to 6000 ft accommodate airport upgrades. The construction is only taking place on the last 1000 ft of runway 25 so about 2000 ft of the runway is marked closed but has no construction on it. The closed section is marked with large plywood in the form of an x laid on the runway surface with small sandbags holding it down. The obstruction is maybe 6 inches high and hard to see. There were no temporary end markers indicating the start of the closed section…at least when I was there, but I’m sure there is now.

[Tiny Voices]

XS,

My posts in this thread were meant as info only to clear up any misconception you had about our FMS being similar to the Collins unit that you are familiar with. I'm not coming to anyones defence, and I'm not denying that a mistake or mistakes may have been made. I tried to be helpful, but you choose to snipe. So let me lay it out one more time for you. We DO NOT at any point, or at anytime input runway length into the ACARS Landing Distance Calculator. This, and only this, is the one small point I was trying to correct. Runways are numbered and that is what we input. Landing runway 25 in YXX...which I've been to several thousand times less than you have stated, sarcastically I know...we would enter Rwy 25, not the length of it but the number 25, the CRFI or absent that a braking action report, wind direction and speed, temp and QNH, anti ice on or off, flap setting, and LDW. If the rwy is NOTAM'd as being less than full length, there is a code (usually 3 letters) entered after the number 25. Fail to enter the code and you get an ACARS back saying "INVALID RWY". Send the data again using the proper rwy coding, or use the landing distances from the TLR, or dig the performance number out of the FOM. One of these three things MUST be done.

[jjj]

Could the stealthy Mod with the blue ink please identify themselves or send me a PM - thanks in advance.

JJJ

[co-joe]

This is one of the funniest e-arguments I've read in a while. Good week on avcanada...first the out of the blue return of the 182 driver and then this.

[sky's the limit]

This is one of the funniest e-arguments I've read in a while. Good week on avcanada...first the out of the blue return of the 182 driver and then this.

Never a boring moment around here, we aim to please....

Sometimes, when I'm on AC, Jazz, or WJ, I think of the posts we edit/nuke/remove for discussion on here almost daily from some of the guys sitting up front - there are days when that's not an overly comforting thought. Maybe the endless nights in hotel rooms and the inherent rotator cuff injuries require a place to vent, but post within the rules and respectfully or they will be removed. EDITED What? Really? Yes, deal with it.

A little perspective goes a long way, we've had a tough and tragic summer in helicopters, there have been several fatal airplane crashes, and of course the Conair Convair that went in. Friends, family, and colleagues have been lost, let's try to remember that posting on Avcanada really means very little at the end of the day... play nicely, or don't play at all.

Stay safe everyone.

stl

[xsbank]

With the loss of that Convair, that brings the total to 12 people I have known or worked with who have thundered in.



Stay safe out there.

[MrWings]

I think this is why this topic was started.

AC diverts a flight due to a crack in the windsheild and it is up on the website immediately.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/manitoba/story ... nding.html

[aroundthewing]

+1 MrWings! I'm almost completely convinced there is biased reporting going on!

[sepia]

There's actually people out there that don't believe in the reporting bias?

[aviator2010]

I think this is why this topic was started.

AC diverts a flight due to a crack in the windsheild and it is up on the website immediately.

westjet didn't keep an airplane within certin lines on an airport. A/C didn't land at the the right airport what's news worthy. Keep in mind that A/C just bought a dying child a trip to disney land because they were extremly rude to his family after recking his wheel chair.

when was the last time westjet had to buy a family a trip to disneyland because they fucked up and were rude to the customer about burdening them with their luggage?

[Rotten Apple #1]

Sepia, besides a 'gut feeling', what makes you so sure there is a bias? It seems to me that if someone gets injured or an airplane gets seriously damaged etc, it gets coverage. Nothing so grandiose as a plot against Big Red, I think.

[yycflyguy]

I think this is why this topic was started.

AC diverts a flight due to a crack in the windsheild and it is up on the website immediately.

westjet didn't keep an airplane within certin lines on an airport. A/C didn't land at the the right airport what's news worthy. Keep in mind that A/C just bought a dying child a trip to disney land because they were extremly rude to his family after recking his wheel chair.

when was the last time westjet had to buy a family a trip to disneyland because they fucked up and were rude to the customer about burdening them with their luggage?

We'll never know cuz it never would make the news if it does happen!

[Rotten Apple #1]

It's more likely that if something is of interest to you, you'll be more aware or notice more often those articles in the press or on TV etc. For instance, I believe that there are more articles in the media about death by autoerotic asphyxiation than there are reports about those who die by felching with a gerbil. The likely explanation behind my observation is that I am not interested in felching with a gerbil, therefore I tend not to notice those references.

[yycflyguy]

ARMAGEDDON!!!!

[Localizer]

OMG ..... ARMAGEDDON!!!!

[whiteguy]

when was the last time westjet had to buy a family a trip to disneyland because they fucked up and were rude to the customer about burdening them with their luggage?

What did they do for the pax when WJ lost her cat and the ground agents were mocking her? or when the dog was lost in YYC for 3 days?

[Tiny Voices]

when was the last time westjet had to buy a family a trip to disneyland because they fucked up and were rude to the customer about burdening them with their luggage?

What did they do for the pax when WJ lost her cat and the ground agents were mocking her? or when the dog was lost in YYC for 3 days?

Captured their pets and returned them to their owners alive and unharmed.

As for the AC wheelchair incident, never would of seen the light of day if not for an all out twitter campaign. Think Air Canada handle the situation well, and fairly quickly considering the levels of bureaucracy that must be gone through for any company their size. They do awesome, wonderful things with their Dreams Take Flight program. Kudos to them for all that they do.

Last, just a suspicion, but there must be an insider within the Winnipeg Airport Authority feeding the media judging by the number of "emergencies" that seem to splash across the news in that town.