Tehran's opinion of Canada

[Hedley]

Replace a bad king, instead of killing a million peasants. We have the technology to do it now.

People get squeamish about this, though, and I don't know why. A bad king (examples abound, even if they don't call themselves that, any more) generally has made it pretty clear that he is willing to live by the sword, and die by the sword. Deal.

[cdnpilot77]

bmc, I knew you were joking. I'm referring to Expat's "propaganda tool" statement. Hedley is right, the Iranian taxi driver may well be a nice guy, and he's certainly right about their government. But I think the huge crowds that show up to gleefully witness public hangings and floggings says something about the Iranian people. You could probably go over there and enjoy a delightful tour, and be treated like gold by the locals. But I sure as hell wouldn't want to be a westerner in a mob of them when the shit hit the fan.

I agree mostly, and maybe very slightly off the line, but would you want to be in a mob when shit hit the fan in South Central L.A. (Ask Reginald Denny)





or Detroit?




Stuff can happen anywhere.

[albertdesalvo]

would you want to be in a mob when shit hit the fan in South Central L.A.......or Detroit?

I wouldn't, but if it was unavoidable I'd feel a lot safer in either of those places than in Iran.

[albertdesalvo]

A bad king (examples abound, even if they don't call themselves that, any more) generally has made it pretty clear that he is willing to live by the sword, and die by the sword. Deal.

This was done in Iraq, and it hasn't worked out so well.

[cdnpilot77]

would you want to be in a mob when shit hit the fan in South Central L.A.......or Detroit?

I wouldn't, but if it was unavoidable I'd feel a lot safer in either of those places than in Iran.

I refrained from posting a couple of other very graphic pictures that show you probably wouldn't fare any better in either place.

[albertdesalvo]

I refrained from posting a couple of other very graphic pictures that show you probably wouldn't fare any better in either place.

Oh, I could show you some pretty graphic ones from Iran too. Like people lying on the ground dead with blood all over the place and people standing over them taking their picture with cellphones. I especially liked the video where they had a young girl down on the ground and one fine citizen smashed a concrete block down on her head. But anyway, I like my chances better in the US. They have many faults to be sure, but they're not medieval.

[bizjets101]

We all have google, I could post graphic photos from Canada - we're not better than anyone.

I lived in South Beach area of LA during those riots, they had police at every exit on the 405 and you had to show local ID to get off the ramps for your area.

I also toured the very intersection you see in the shots, and the entire area there just a couple of days after this event.

The on cop that was convicted of the King beating (the cause of the riots in the first place), when he was released to a halfway house, a guy showed up with an AK-47 to kill him - but he was on a weekend pass, and the cops shot the guy with the AK dead.

[bizjets101]

This was done in Iraq, and it hasn't worked out so well.

Actually it wasn't done in Iraq, Saddam was executed after a trial, for crimes he actually
had committed against his own people. Sure the trial was a sham, but Saddam was not
assassinated.

On top of that, you've got a country with the same population as Canada - the American's and all their unfortunate allies that got hoodwinked into this mess - invaded Iraq - under knowingly false information - and so far have also forgotten to leave.

The Americans are still trying to figure out how all their oil got underneath Iraq in the first place.

When the Americans went into Liberia to remove Charles Taylor - they sent one helicopter - they showed North Korea exactly what happens to a county that doesn't have oil - nothing!!!

[albertdesalvo]

I would like to know why Iran wants nuclear weapons. The rationale for them is generally considered to be deterrence. What threat exists for Iran that requires such deterrence? Is someone looking to invade them? Is it possible they might be seeking these weapons for offensive purposes? If so, who would they be most likely to attack?

Iran is greatest threat to global security that exists today, moreso than North Korea. I don't give a damn whether Joe Ordinary Iranian is a nice guy or not, I just hope Uncle Sam has plenty of ordnance aimed at them.

[albertdesalvo]

Sure the trial was a sham, but Saddam was not assassinated.

No, but he was removed from power and ultimately killed as a result of military intervention, which I think meets the definition of "live by the sword, die by the sword."

[bizjets101]

The comment was in regards to a simple assassination James Bond style, without invading a country and killing a million people.

The part you are now commenting on, was the example given, that people are squeamish citizens, but justified (by the part you commented on) living and dying by the sword. Your
example being Iraq.

My point is Persians are amazing people, the women are stunning, the culture is breathtaking, so why attack a country with 77 million Persians to kill two Iranians.

[bmc]

My point is Persians are amazing people, the women are stunning, the culture is breathtaking, so why attack a country with 77 million Persians to kill two Iranians.

+1

[albertdesalvo]

My point is Persians are amazing people, the women are stunning, the culture is breathtaking,

Maybe they were better off under the Shah? Where would Iran be today if the Muslim fanatics hadn't taken over?

[2R]

Why don't the PERSIANS take care of the idiots before the idiots get them all killed.Cause you know it will happen if they attempt to nuke their neighbours off the map like dinnerjacket threatened to do to his neighbours.
Ever seen pictures of Berlin after WW2 ,too many good Germans did nothing to stop the nine years of madness.
Perhaps they should show the "Persians" some pictures of Hiroshima and Nagsaki and then let them decide if they really want nuclear weapons.
Although most of the sensible Iranians left Iran years ago and live elsewhere like Southern California which has a Iranian dysporia of 1.5 million ex-Iranians.
Or they can be like the Swiss and build nuclear shelters.Every Swiss citizen has access to a nuclear bunker.Tourists only get into the hotel bunker if they are pretty.

[bizjets101]

Maybe they were better off under the Shah? Where would Iran be today if the Muslim fanatics hadn't taken over?

Well, how to even respond to that . . . before America got involved with Irans internal politics, the Persian Empire had been founded some 2,500 years prior whose dynasty of a ruling Monarch ended in 1979 when the Shah bailed - without even telling the American's he was leaving.

Kaos ensued. An interesting statement was made by Madeleine Albright, United States Secretary of State; "In 1953 the United States played a significant role in orchestrating the overthrow of Iran's popular Prime Minister, Mohammed Mossadegh. The Eisenhower Administration believed its actions were justified for strategic reasons; but the coup was clearly a setback for Iran's political development. And it is easy to see now why many Iranians continue to resent this intervention by America in their internal affairs."

I could go into the history of the UK, USSR, Ottoman invasion in WWI, the overthrow in 21, the UK, USSR invasion in 41, kicking out the brutal Shah, and installing the son as the new Shah, America setting up bases during WWII and not leaving until 1980!!!!

Persia would have been fine, if we the West had never invaded in the first place.

[bizjets101]

Why don't the PERSIANS take care of the idiots before the idiots get them all killed.

Of the 77 million Persians in Iran - which specifically are you directing to do what?? We the West have armed their Government to the teeth with weapons - in Toronto during the G20 you just walked near the fence and you'd be in jail. In Iran you'd be dead - except brutally tortured first, maybe your whole family 'missing' overnight.'

Sadly, many Persians had viewed the election of President Obama as a major opportunity for change in relations between the Iranian Government and the West - specifically America.

Unfortunately the opportunity has passed, and for the first time in 2,500 years - nobody really knows what is next???

Every Swiss citizen has access to a nuclear bunker

Toronto can't house 2,000 homeless people, I find it very hard to believe there is bunker space for 7.750 million people - that - is a lot of people.

[Hedley]

It's childish of me, but personally I have difficulty believing that any
government has the "need" for NBC weapons. I just don't trust
any politician that much. Let alone kings.

[albertdesalvo]

So, bizjets, may I assume that you feel the Iranian people of today are better off under an Islamic theocracy than they were before the revolution?

[Dash-Ate]

I would like to know why Iran wants nuclear weapons. The rationale for them is generally considered to be deterrence. What threat exists for Iran that requires such deterrence? Is someone looking to invade them? Is it possible they might be seeking these weapons for offensive purposes? If so, who would they be most likely to attack?

Iran is greatest threat to global security that exists today, moreso than North Korea. I don't give a damn whether Joe Ordinary Iranian is a nice guy or not, I just hope Uncle Sam has plenty of ordnance aimed at them.

What's your source? The newspaper chain owned by an Israeli family? LOL LOL.
"We know he has WMD". Remember that one? "We come as liberators not as conquers". How's that $20 billion US embassy in Iraq coming along. Punch that into google.



I guess you also subscribe to the Italian Mob twitter feed or something . Reliable source. Never forget, war is the most profitable business ever. Ever.

Iran is surrounded by other countries with nukes including Israel (another fanatical religious country, who has ignored dozens of UN orders to disclose their nukes!! Can you say Rogue State?).

Iranians are smart they do not want this occuring on their land (greatest scam of all time) If you have 20 seconds to watch this short vid be sure to use hi def:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5UnQMcg ... r_embedded

[albertdesalvo]

Iran is surrounded by other countries with nukes

So what? So is Canada.

Iranians are smart they do not want this occuring on their land

They don't want what occurring on their land?

[bizjets101]

Heh Albert, it has become painfully clear that I'm responding to a relatively young person, who is not well traveled, has little empathy, and compassion for others - and buys into American propaganda - hook, line, and sinker.

I'm not knocking you, your into airplanes and that's cool with me, I've no doubt when I was your age, I'd have probably posted the same as you. Once you get out and see, and experience other cultures - you'll get a clearer picture about the way the world really works.

I have friends that grew up under the Shah - and had an amazingly wonderful life - and I have very close friend who live there now - you couldn't get them to visit Canada - never mind leave Iran - they love their life there.

I assure you life in Tehran is not even close to how you view it, and in case your wondering I'm born in Toronto to Scottish parents!! Incidentally it was a Scottish registered company that messed up Iran in the first place - The Burmah Oil Company - they started a little oil company in Tehran named Anglo-Iranian Oil Company - your probably more familiar under their current name - British Petroleum yup BP.

In Iran it's all about the oil - nothing else.

[niss]

And what about all the people who did try to bring around change in Iran these past few years. Incertainly recall seeing the riots and the bodies. A sizable part of Iran wants to change.

I absolutely agree. Iran is fucked because we (the west) made it so. This current regime was brought about by the people during the 79 revolution.

[bmc]

Every Swiss citizen has access to a nuclear bunker

Toronto can't house 2,000 homeless people, I find it very hard to believe there is bunker space for 7.750 million people - that - is a lot of people.

They haven't built bunkers since the 60's. The population had grown since then. Most are converted to wine cellers. Most people would'nt know where to find one if you asked them.

But I digress. I hate it when facts get in the way of a good story.

continue....

[Expat]

bmc, I knew you were joking. I'm referring to Expat's "propaganda tool" statement. Hedley is right, the Iranian taxi driver may well be a nice guy, and he's certainly right about their government. But I think the huge crowds that show up to gleefully witness public hangings and floggings says something about the Iranian people. You could probably go over there and enjoy a delightful tour, and be treated like gold by the locals. But I sure as hell wouldn't want to be a westerner in a mob of them when the shit hit the fan.

These things happen all the time in Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, and other places...
It is easy to pick on a few images, and try to make a monster of a country, just to put a point across. The problem is that the public debate about Iran and the DPKR is one way only, and the people who have travelled and know otherwise, and speak differently, are qualified as dissidents, non patriots, commies, etc...
It seems to get harder all the time to get frank debates about any political subject. This may ultimately lead to bad surprises, when people wake up one morning at war with yet another country, without a good reason.

[bizjets101]

Dash-Ate wrote:

So what? So is Canada.

Iran is surrounded by other countries with nukes

Canada is not surrounded by enemies, nor are we a threat to those around us.
If we were a threat to America - then we'd be in trouble - so if we armed ourselves
with nuclear weapons then what??

Nobody would want us to use them, so they'd give us all the weapons we wanted. Russia
would love us, and would be more than happy to back us. The UK would be screwed - because
their on both our sides - they'd have to choose or be neutral - but what a quagmire.

Welcome to Iran - Israeli submarines with nuclear weapons patrolling your shores - Iraq close by who you just fought a 8 year war with. Under constant threat by America - and when America/UK embargoed all Irans oil in 1951, Eisenhower took office in 1953 - when they didn't like the results they were getting from the embargoes - they overthrew the Iranian Government, installed their own Prime Minister who the UK and America approved - and the oil flowed again!!!

Iran is a threat, and is under constant threat, it has embargoes, sanctions, and yet life in Tehran goes on.