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SunWuKong,

Collateral damage is a reality in any war...but just so we also recognize that the japanese killed tens of thousands of innocent people (civilians and POW's) "illegally", many under torturous conditions, I have attched something for you to read. I am guessing you were hoping no one would pull this out. So lets not be so jugemental about some of their own being killed.


World War II

Main article: Japanese war crimes
In the first half of the Shōwa era, as the Empire of Japan annexed Asian countries, from the late 19th century onwards, archaic institutions including slavery were abolished in those countries. However, during the Second Sino-Japanese War and the Pacific War, the Japanese military used millions of civilians and prisoners of war as forced labor, on projects such as the Burma Railway.
According to a joint study by historians including Zhifen Ju, Mitsuyoshi Himeta, Toru Kubo and Mark Peattie, more than 10 million Chinese civilians were mobilized by the Kōa-in (East Asia Development Board) for forced labour.[3] According to the Japanese military's own record, nearly 25% of 140,000 Allied POWs died while interned in Japanese prison camps where they were forced to work (U.S. POWs died at a rate of 37%).[4][5] More than 100,000 civilians and POWs died in the construction of the Burma-Siam Railway.[6] The U.S. Library of Congress estimates that in Java, between 4 and 10 million romusha (Japanese: "manual laborer"), were forced to work by the Japanese military.[7] About 270,000 of these Javanese laborers were sent to other Japanese-held areas in South East Asia. Only 52,000 were repatriated to Java, meaning that there was a death rate of 80%. (For further details, see Japanese war crimes.)[8]
Approximately 5,400,000 Koreans were conscripted into labor from 1939 to 1945. About 670,000 of them were taken to Japan, where about 60,000 died between 1939 and 1945 due mostly to exhaustion or poor working conditions. Many of those taken to Karafuto Prefecture (modern-day Sakhalin) were trapped there at the end of the war, stripped of their nationality and denied repatriation by Japan; they became known as the Sakhalin Koreans.[9] The total deaths of Korean forced laborers in Korea and Manchuria for those years is estimated to be between 270,000 and 810,000.[10]
As many as 200,000 "comfort women" [11] mostly from Korea and China, and some other countries such as the Philippines, Taiwan, Burma, the Dutch East Indies, Netherlands,[12] and Australia[13] were forced into sexual slavery during World War II to satisfy Japanese Imperial Army and Navy members.

Now to get this thread back on track...
Some may or may not agree with the merits of the Mogadishu battle but without question 2 of the bravest men in the history of the military fought, died, had horrible atrocities committed against their corpses and through their selfless acts, Backhawk pilot Michael Durant is still alive today. They were 2 guys going against thousands of Somalies without even knowing if the guys in the blackhawk were even alive.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Shughart
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Gordon
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Bandaid, I'm reminded of this:

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Yep, that about sums it up.
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As an additional tidbit of information, Major Dick Winters, of Easy company, 506 Battalion of the 101st Airborne, personified by the HBO series Band of Brothers, died last week. I post it not because he was a hero, he actually didn't want the title, but because it seemed somewhat relevant.
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Youngback wrote:As an additional tidbit of information, Major Dick Winters, of Easy company, 506 Battalion of the 101st Airborne, personified by the HBO series Band of Brothers, died last week. I post it not because he was a hero, he actually didn't want the title, but because it seemed somewhat relevant.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/01/10/obit.d ... tml?hpt=C2
Still, within hours he organized a small group of troopers to attack a German artillery position. They took out nearly two dozen Nazi soldiers and four large cannons which had been firing on American troops landing on the beaches.

His actions that day earned Winters the Distinguished Service Cross, the second highest medal for valor in the U.S. military. There is still an effort underway to have that medal upgraded to a Medal of Honor, an action the humble Winters never supported.

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"He has died quietly, in private, without fanfare and with the same modesty that he lived his life as one of the true heroes of his generation," Lewis added.

Winters did not make any money off his memoirs or the speeches he gave later in his life. His royalties from the book went to a variety of organizations, including veterans groups, breast-cancer research organizations and the Ronald McDonald house in Hershey, Pennsylvania, where he lived for years.
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As for WW2, The US arrived at the very end in Europe (1944), only after the russian army walked in Berlin, and when Europe already lost 50% of its adult men because they fighted 5 years nonstop (official army or resistant) and were about to win against nazy (Nazy were retreating since 1942).
I guess Major Winters wasn't much of a hero. After all, according to one historian on this thread the Americans were a day late and a dollar short in WW2, and the enemy were in full retreat anyway. Since the Canadians also didn't arrive in Europe until 1944, I guess we're in the same boat.
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Yes, better to skip vietnam war, because if we watch it closely, from any side you want, it will never look good.

WW2. Yes sure the US (and Canada, true we forget it too much in the south) was great. But I like, as you may understand, bring some perspective before we get all excited.

*You take france, OR even yugoslavia (a really small country) ALONE, and they have more military/resistance/civilian who fighted and got KILLED than all US and Canada all together. Poland itself for example 10 times more than all the US and Canada all together. The european resistance fighted 5 years non-stop.

*Russia lost 40 times more people than all the US and Canada all together, and did most of the job. (they walked in Berlin first) the US has never been able to really fight, (WW2, Vietnam or Irak...) human being to human being. So Russia did all the dirty job.

*When the allies decided to go to war against the Nazy in Dunkirk, Belgium, France and UK went to war, US and Canada said they were neutral. When the nazi arrived, UK escaped (dunkirk retreat) because were afraid to fight, french and belgium protected the UK retreat till death, let alone in the whole world to fight directly against the nazi and of course got invaded and took control of. (google dunkirk retreat or dunkirk battle)

*The US didn't want to go to war against the nazi (unlike Belgium, UK, France who did it immediately) and waited years to be personnaly attacked (after having done enough business and prepared enough... taking all the chinese and european gold/knowledge they could) to do so.
the Americans were a day late and a dollar short in WW2
Cash and carry was a policy requested by U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt at a special session of the United States Congress on 21 September 1939, as World War II was spreading throughout Europe. It replaced the Neutrality Acts of 1936. The revision allowed the sale of materiel to belligerents, as long as the recipients arranged for the transport using their own ships and paid immediately in cash, assuming all risk in transportation. The purpose was to hold neutrality between the United States and European countries while still giving material aid to Britain, exploiting the fact that Germany had no funds and could not reliably ship across the British-controlled Atlantic. Various policies forbade selling implements of war or lending money to belligerent countries under any terms. The U.S. economy was rebounding at this time, following the Great Depression, but there was still a need for industrial manufacturing jobs. The cash and carry program helped to solve this issue and in turn Great Britain benefited from the purchase of arms and other goods.

This program also prevented US businesses interests backing the success or failure of any warring nation. Because of the conclusion of the Nye Committee, which asserted that United States involvement in World War I was driven by private interests from arms manufacturers, many Americans believed that investment in a belligerent would eventually lead to American participation in war.

US shipping interests were forbidden from entering into conflict zones.

This act also made sure that the US did not give away all its supplies and rations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cash_and_c ... ld_War_II)


***slam 525i, that's not because you can copy paste some teenagers drawing on internet that your chinese will improve. More honestly, first you insult me and write you won't speak to me but would come back on topic, then you avoid my question and post again you wouldn't anser to me but would come back on topic, then you post some drawings you found on google clearly because you want to attack me (I am hurt!). Can you grow up?
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Who am I? Of what value is my life? The child, when asking these questions, is saying that s/he wants to be recognized as an object of value. S/he wants to know how well s/he measures up as a hero.

Freud saw that the underlying foundation for these feelings and ambitions was the “utter self-centeredness and self-preoccupation, each person’s feeling that he is the one in creation, that his life represents all life” he tallied all this up and labeled it narcissism. Nietzsche saw this healthy expression as one of the “Will to Power” and glory.

This represents the “inevitable drive to cosmic heroism by the animal who had become man.”

Culture provides the vehicle for heroic action directed toward strengthening self-esteem. The task of the ego is to navigate through the culture in such a way as to diminish anxiety, and the ego does this by learning “to chose actions that are satisfying and bring praise rather than blame…Therefore, if the function of self-esteem is to give the ego a steady buffer against anxiety, wherever and whenever it might be imagined, one crucial function of culture is to make continued self-esteem possible.

Culture’s task is “to provide the individual with the conviction that he is an object of primary value in a world of meaningful action.”

The cultural hero system whether religious, primitive, or scientific is “still a mythical hero-system in which people serve in order to earn a feeling of primary value, of cosmic specialness, of ultimate usefulness to creation, of unshakable meaning. They earn this feeling by carving out a place in nature, by building an edifice that reflects human value: a temple, a cathedral, a totem pole, a skyscraper, a family that spans three generations.”
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You forget Canada in the South? How can you forget Canada when your posting your rambling messages on AvCanada???

Anything else you need to get off your chest, so you don't HIJACK any other threads.

How about starting your own thread, SunWuKong Kaczynski's ramblings from China :)

No offence of course.
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I choose not to comment on this thread but I am enjoying reading it... and I have to say that if this were a debate, SunWuKong is winning...
... just sayin'.
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Biz, is that the only thing you have to say?
I am right on the subject, Heroes, WAR. For some of you your only subject is to attack me or insult me.

When it comes to facts I describe, the answer is (for some) a personal attack... Can we stay on the subject?
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Just another canuck wrote:I choose not to comment on this thread but I am enjoying reading it... and I have to say that if this were a debate, SunWuKong is winning...
... just sayin'.
Oh Canuck, you little evil troll feeder. :lol:

I'm almost, ALMOST, bored enough at work to cut and paste all the hilarious quotes from this thread and save them for a best of 2011.
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He who strikes the first blow admit's he's lost the argument - Chinese Proverb :)
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Yes, but Confucious say
War doesn't determine who is right, war determines who is left
however, confucious also say
Man who lives in glass house should change clothes in basement


So who really knows??
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As for WW2, The US arrived at the very end in Europe (1944), only after the russian army walked in Berlin, and when Europe already lost 50% of its adult men because they fighted 5 years nonstop (official army or resistant) and were about to win against nazy (Nazy were retreating since 1942).

I guess Major Winters wasn't much of a hero. After all, according to one historian on this thread the Americans were a day late and a dollar short in WW2, and the enemy were in full retreat anyway. Since the Canadians also didn't arrive in Europe until 1944, I guess we're in the same boat.>>>

Sorry Sid but you are wrong. We were there in France before it fell. We were also in Europe before D-Day. We were in the skies of Europe throughout the war. We had secret agents (S.O.E.) in occupied Europe throughout the war.

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Revisionism sure is entertaining, eh?
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<<<As for WW2, The US arrived at the very end in Europe (1944),>>>

For a guy who professes to know history, you are not very convincing. Can you tell me what happened on the 6th of June, 1944. Who landed on Ohama and Utah Beaches? Who spearheaded the airborne invasion?

You said you were a paratrooper. Perhaps I know you from 1 or 2 Commando. What was your parent regiment and what jump course were you on?
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Moose47 wrote:<<<As for WW2, The US arrived at the very end in Europe (1944),>>>

For a guy who professes to know history, you are not very convincing. Can you tell me what happened on the 6th of June, 1944. Who landed on Ohama and Utah Beaches? Who spearheaded the airborne invasion?

You said you were a paratrooper. Perhaps I know you from 1 or 2 Commando. What was your parent regiment and what jump course were you on?
Lets also not forget the year 1943 when the US 8th Airforce started pummelling German cities and suffering losses that people of our generation couldnt fathom. There is a reason there was a unit called "The Bloodied Hundreth" and this was coined long before January 1st, 1944.
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G'day 77

I was trying to show him that American boots were on the ground fighting in Europe before he says they were. I neglected to mention the O.S.S. as well being in Europe for the better part of the war.

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Moose47 wrote:G'day 77

I was trying to show him that American boots were on the ground fighting in Europe before he says they were. I neglected to mention the O.S.S. as well being in Europe for the better part of the war.

Cheers...Chris
A point was made earlier by the now infamous sunwukong as well regarding strength of force vs the european countries (paraphrase). That may be so, I have never seen those official stats, but I should hope that they would have been significantly higher. It was afterall, their war, their countries to defend. It was our boys who VOLUNTEERED to go over and fight en masse for the greater good of our planet, not to directly defend our homeland. That in itself was a ridiculous statement of "facts" by swk.

All the best Chris, I hope all is well!
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I was just pulling his pisser there Moose. :)
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I was just pulling his pisser there Moose. :)>>>

Roger that Sid.

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Alright, that's clearly "SunWukong bashing" here.
Please give me some time, I will answer to all of you, I will write several post.
However I hope everybody will calm down, so that we can find an exit or an end to this topic (or situation).
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slam525i wrote:
Just another canuck wrote:I choose not to comment on this thread but I am enjoying reading it... and I have to say that if this were a debate, SunWuKong is winning...
... just sayin'.
Oh Canuck, you little evil troll feeder. :lol:

I'm almost, ALMOST, bored enough at work to cut and paste all the hilarious quotes from this thread and save them for a best of 2011.
I try to find something good to say about you (your post), but that is extremely difficult.

*All of your post without exception in this topic are personal attack against me. You are not logical because you keep saying you should ignore me and speak about the subject of the thread only, but all of your post are for me personaly. In your first post there is an insult : "STFU", and I really don't beleive you ll say it again face to face.

*All of your post in this topic are imature

*The most interesting, is that I already gave the proof you have no clue of what you are talking about, for the ones interested read again in page 2 our exchange, it is very clear.

Conclusion: try to prove you can use the CRM principles (you mention CRM in one of your post) by admiting you were wrong (everybody can see it anyway), get over it, it will make you become mature. Sometimes when I fly I am wrong, and I admit it. Do it don't worry it doesn't hurt. Maybe in the future after you've grown up you won't even use insult, teenager pic or vocabulary to communicate, which will be a huge improvement.
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bizjets101 wrote:You forget Canada in the South? How can you forget Canada when your posting your rambling messages on AvCanada???

Anything else you need to get off your chest, so you don't HIJACK any other threads.

How about starting your own thread, SunWuKong Kaczynski's ramblings from China :)

No offence of course.
Bizjets101,

***First I had no clue of what you were talking about with your "SunWuKong Kaczynski", until you did post a google pic with written on it "SunWuKong Kaczynski", so now I understant wher you find this name:
(((Your last post with the monkey king google pic title:"File comment:SunWuKong Kaczynski"))).

I tell you: negative, the name is SunWuKong (孙悟空 in chinese character) ONLY ( NOT SunWuKong Kaczynski, it doesn't exist, it really makes you post funny (nonsense) for me or a chinese person, or anybody who knows SunWuKong) please don't copy the name you found on a google pic without knowing. It is a chinese name (not from poland), a monkey king, from the most famous chinese novel:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Wukong






***anyway you are hijacking the thread with your personal attacks and this SunWukong pic.






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Thank you for your chinese proverb (about that, where did you find it because here around me nobody knows it, I am in China, in addition this is admits, not admit's).




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