tyndall wrote:Rockie wrote:Does anybody expect Air Canada pilots to just roll over and let their jobs walk out the door so as not to inconvenience some passengers for as long as it takes for the company to seriously enter into negotiations? If so, give your head a shake.
Air Canada pilots and other employee groups have had their democratic right to negotiate, and compel their employer to negotiate through legal industrial action stripped away from them by a government that clearly has nothing but contempt for democratic rights. If anybody thinks Air Canada pilots should just let the government do that so that MP dipshit can get back to Ottawa and Joe Bloggins isn't delayed on his vacation they should have their head examined.
I take it you are a union worker?
To "inconvenience some passengers for as long as it takes" is completely asinine. Your paycheque might come from Air Canada, but they get their money from the passengers. The same passengers that you want to "inconvenience". The same passengers that have worked hard all year for shit wages and just want to take their family somewhere during the two stinking weeks they get off all year. You don't care about them, why should they care about you?
This isn't the same as Safeway going on strike. You don't get to wake up in the morning and decide which airline you are going to fly on today. People make plans and pay for tickets months in advance. Now they are supposed to keep track of labour relations and how that might impact their trip? No need. the easy answer is to not fly on airlines with a history of labour disputes. Not just temporarily, - forever. The government might be denying the democratic right of the worker, but in the end they are giving the customers confidence in continuing to support the company. Without the customers, there isn't much need for pilots, is there?
Unions never seem to care where the money is coming from. All they see is management taking a bigger cut and the workers getting screwed. Which I admit, is not fair. The problem is they have this illusion that they control the customers, which is the source of the money. They think they can air a bunch of dirty laundry about the company and tell them to go to the competition, and they'll forgive and forget about it and come back later. They won't accept the fact that the customer might find the competition better and never come back. They scream equality, fair wages, workers rights, but don't care if they put the company out of business, the main thing is they didn't give in.
The best thing that can happen for aviation in Canada is for AC to be put out of its misery. Between bad management, outsourcing and employees clinging on to the past, it isn't a sustainable company. Leave a nice sized hole for someone with a bit of competence to fill.
An absolute fantastic spot on post. It is a given that those who disagree with you really have never been "inconvenienced" in such repugnant ways.
Rockie wrote:tyndall wrote:To "inconvenience some passengers for as long as it takes" is completely asinine.
However it should be blatantly obvious even to you that for the company to feel it at all necessary to return to the table there will have to be a service disruption. Unfortunately that will inconvenience some passengers. But as I said our livelihoods are at stake here, and no reasonable person would expect us to sacrifice our livelihoods for the sake of somebody else's short term convenience. Except apparently you.
I personally feel like you are off the page. You have my apologies ahead of time if the following is not what you wish to hear. But I hope you can respond with a clear cut post stating what you want at days end, and what you're being offered. Make it black and white for us. What do you , YOU want? Until then ...
I read the quote one more time in full, and I really did not see a difference in your position. No, not just him,I would guesstimate that the majority of people on the short end of the stick would disagree with you. Are you more important than Joe Blow bringing his family down south for the first time? Are you more important than Joe Blow bringing his newly wed down south on their honeymoon? Do you think Joe Blow had to book this time off, or do you think it is possible every Canadian is self employed and can screw off work when they feel like it? To take the position that all these people should say " Oh! Well then! ..... we better all rally up and support these pilots! Screw our trips" , is a bit unreasonable.
To be frank, after reading some more posts on this subject, I think it is fair to say Air Canada has lost a lot of respect from the Canadian public. This idea that Air Canada pilots somehow have a right to strand hundreds of thousands of Canadians during one of the busiest weeks of the year just does me right in. I honestly like how Tyndall said it, do you think you're a minority in Canada that has to book time off ahead of time? Talks
will still happen, but lets not make this out to be more than what it is; they stopped Canada's largest carrier from screwing over hundreds of thousands of people over the spring break. I am simply talking about Air Canada's actions which directly affect the people which put money into your pocket. As for the most recent post about the community turning on you guys like a bunch of rabid dogs, I don't think so. I think people are looking into this from the outside saying "how ridiculous". How long ago did the maintenance personnel do this striking thing? How long ago did the FAs do this striking thing? When did Westjet last do this?
You can disagree with any individual who does not support you, but until you can frame a logical post which explains your position, you will not win any hearts or minds. If this was such a clear cut obvious betrayal of standard, people would be whole heartily agreeing with you.
