Attention Seneca AFT Graduates!

[Herc Driver]

It's just really sad, that an aviation forum degenerates to such a pathetic level. I did the Seneca thing, had a great time and learned alot. Flying is a great job, next time you are flying along just look outside, take a peak at the wings and remeber how cool it really is to fly. I don't care where you come from, as stated earlier it is all about the attitude. I fly the C-130 in the CF as an aircarft commander and I fly with people from all backgrounds, zero flying experience, Seneca, Sault, Confederation, RMC, Mount Royal, FBO schools. The skill demonstrated all boils down to attitude and motivation. It's human nature that some people are just born as idiots and it doesn't really matter where you are from. Give me a pilot that is safe, effective, admits his/her mistakes and is willing to learn I will fly with them any day. So I suggest grow up and show a proper attitude to your flying peers as you have all seen it is a very small community and burning bridges is not a good thing.

[Chaxterium]

Amen brother!

[Invertago]

And the thread is suddenly resurrected from the avcanada grave yard lol

[. ._]

Who the @#$! would bump a thread like this from 2 years ago?

WTF?

-istp

[DHQ]

what do you need 40 hours on the RJ for? What if they never get hired at JAZZ or AC? Kind of pointless.

This statement is kinda funny 2 years later though!

[2R]

I think the big airlines are missing out on a valuable resource .
In a lot of countries grads are allowed to fly in the jump seat .They are allowed to sit there OBSERVE and LEARN .After a while they then get to go to the sim and then to the right seat after learning the system from the comfort of the jump seat .I cannot see why this method of learning could not be used to provide the airlines in this country with a new source of trainees.
Some countries call them cadets .We must use all the resource available to us to train the next generation to be the safest pilots we can make.By having them in a real airplane watching a real crew doing a real job they will be better prepared for the real world of aviation .
If you have seen a few Cat 2 approach's in person it will be that much easier when you are expected to do it.
It takes all kinds to make the world go round and not everyone is made to clean shitters out at the outposts to prove how bad they want to fly.Anyone who can go to school for four years and listen to all that useless dross and course filler that they have to proves how bad they want to fly.So why not stick them in the jump seat like other countries do .

[Cat Driver]

So why not stick them in the jump seat like other countries do .

Makes to much sense??

[xsbank]

When I was in my teaching phase, I had already racked up about 25 years of flying experience and a business degree, but none of the colleges wanted me. They were only hiring young guys and were totally adverse to hiring someone with my experience (or maybe it was just me? I'm such an expert and a Hero of the North , how could they resist?) or maybe they couldn't afford me. Maybe I should have shaved for the interview...

Based on my experience, I would have to say the colleges are more interested in 'product' than in producing useful job candidates.

[2R]

I reckon a fella or girlie could learn a lot sitting in the jumpseat for a while .
No shame in being a second or third or fourth officer on a big ship .they could always put the ball gag on anyone who speaks without being ask to talk .Children should be seen and not heard

Slap me with a fish for talking sense
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhJQp-q1Y1s

Perhaps that is why some of the really big airlines have their OWN flight schools where they train pilots their way for their airline.Just a thought

[Widow]

May I respectfully sugest a few more simulators the school should buy?
{1} A "how to tie down and take care of the aircraft simulator"
{2} A "how do I put oil in and what type of oil simulator"
{3}A "how not to crunch wingtip when parking simulator"
{4} A "how to change a gods gift to aviation atitude" simulator

Classic!

[groundpilot]

It's just really sad, that an aviation forum degenerates to such a pathetic level. I did the Seneca thing, had a great time and learned alot. Flying is a great job, next time you are flying along just look outside, take a peak at the wings and remeber how cool it really is to fly. I don't care where you come from, as stated earlier it is all about the attitude. I fly the C-130 in the CF as an aircarft commander and I fly with people from all backgrounds, zero flying experience, Seneca, Sault, Confederation, RMC, Mount Royal, FBO schools. The skill demonstrated all boils down to attitude and motivation. It's human nature that some people are just born as idiots and it doesn't really matter where you are from. Give me a pilot that is safe, effective, admits his/her mistakes and is willing to learn I will fly with them any day. So I suggest grow up and show a proper attitude to your flying peers as you have all seen it is a very small community and burning bridges is not a good thing.

Excellent post. Couldnt agree more. Stereotyping = stupid

[HuD 91gt]

When I was in my teaching phase, I had already racked up about 25 years of flying experience and a business degree, but none of the colleges wanted me. They were only hiring young guys and were totally adverse to hiring someone with my experience (or maybe it was just me? I'm such an expert and a Hero of the North , how could they resist?) or maybe they couldn't afford me. Maybe I should have shaved for the interview...

Based on my experience, I would have to say the colleges are more interested in 'product' than in producing useful job candidates.

I wouldn't say all colleges are like that. I am familiar with a school that had some of the most experienced instructors out there. From a 50 year old that has 15, 000 hours in a Cessna 172, writes his own aerodynamics text book, because he believes the others arn't good enough, to an ex US Air Force Herc pilot that has done it all, to an ex Air Canada pilot. I can't speak for all the colleges, but i'm glad I went to the one I did. Although, I would agree, these Colleges are usually directed towards the Airlines, and shaving/personal apearance may have helped :p

[Cat Driver]

There are as many ways to becoming a good pilot as there are good pilots.

It is even possible to learn to fly at a small flight school and then start flying commercially and learn on the job.

Mind you there is the risk that you may not fully understand all the Buzz words that seem to be necessary to be the best there is, but you could go through your flying career without banging up a flying machine.

Does that count for anything?

[HighBypass]

Like was said earlier, maybe some people just went to the subsidized aviation colleges (soo, confed, seneca) jsut because it was the closest and Cheapest flight school?? Thats why i went! I couldn't afford to pay to fly privately and my parents deffinetly wouldn't pay for it thats for sure. Instead i had to spend countless hrs doing math homework to earn my way into a training aircraft. Actually, when i was wasting all my saturdays studing calculus which you dont need to know to fly a plane i was quite bitter about it, but when i finished school almost debt free i wasn't feeling so bad. It too me almost 3 years to get all the liceneces, whereas i know people who got their CPL/MIFR in less then 12months privately, so there you go, the pros and cons.

A college diploma does look nice on a resume when looking for a job but guess what? For my first real flying job where i presently work i didn't even need a resume....in fact some people didn't even think i had a pilots licence. Once i started flying i became evident that i deffinetly didn't have a pilots licence, but anyways i just kept showing up for work and thats all that matters. Just be reliable.

Your guys are all trippin. theres no way this thread should be 3 pages long, filled with mostly BS comments. Just relax and have a few beers. Everything will seem alot better after i promise.

R. Perdactor