Re: Slipping 172 with full flaps
Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 8:46 pm
I think there is a bit of thread drift here.
We are not talking learning to slip, or using slips in general..
We are specifically discussing slipping with full flaps in a 172..Big difference.
My contribution to the drift was a result of my experiences over the years with new, inexperienced pilots learning something that is only appropriate in very limited circumstances (such as the forced approach in this case), and them making up any sort of justification to use it where it is not appropriate.
Witness the poster who originally stated they used the technique to get into Orillia...then 'clairified' that they only used it for a very short period and it was, as I understand it , because they just spotted some pot holes or something, and rather than landing past them or overshooting they assessed the best procedure was to land a bit shorter and drive through them.. I think I got that right.
Unfortunately that type of reasoning, in many many cases is just a pilot trying to justify using a procedure that is to be avoided.. There is an interesting couple of accident threads about pilots that do this type of reasoning..One is a Beaver where the pilot was properly given training in full flap landings which were to be used only in certain specific circumstances, and then promptly went out and magically found that all his landings needed to be done that way...well except for his last one when he wrote off a perfectly good plane and hurt some people.
Whenever someone does something that deviates from the norm, I always ask them if something goes wrong...anything...how are you going to explain that you needed to be doing this...Part of being young and inexperienced is that pilots feel they are invulnerable, want to have fun, dont understand the possible consequences of their actions, and feel they are to smart for anything to go wrong..
Planes get pranged and people get hurt when they occassionally run out of luck and find they were wrong....and reading some of the threads here I sense there may be one or two that just might fit into that catagory.
We are not talking learning to slip, or using slips in general..
We are specifically discussing slipping with full flaps in a 172..Big difference.
My contribution to the drift was a result of my experiences over the years with new, inexperienced pilots learning something that is only appropriate in very limited circumstances (such as the forced approach in this case), and them making up any sort of justification to use it where it is not appropriate.
Witness the poster who originally stated they used the technique to get into Orillia...then 'clairified' that they only used it for a very short period and it was, as I understand it , because they just spotted some pot holes or something, and rather than landing past them or overshooting they assessed the best procedure was to land a bit shorter and drive through them.. I think I got that right.
Unfortunately that type of reasoning, in many many cases is just a pilot trying to justify using a procedure that is to be avoided.. There is an interesting couple of accident threads about pilots that do this type of reasoning..One is a Beaver where the pilot was properly given training in full flap landings which were to be used only in certain specific circumstances, and then promptly went out and magically found that all his landings needed to be done that way...well except for his last one when he wrote off a perfectly good plane and hurt some people.
Whenever someone does something that deviates from the norm, I always ask them if something goes wrong...anything...how are you going to explain that you needed to be doing this...Part of being young and inexperienced is that pilots feel they are invulnerable, want to have fun, dont understand the possible consequences of their actions, and feel they are to smart for anything to go wrong..
Planes get pranged and people get hurt when they occassionally run out of luck and find they were wrong....and reading some of the threads here I sense there may be one or two that just might fit into that catagory.