Question for the aviation regulation wizards

[Gilles Hudicourt]

My original response was lost in the server upgrade, but the gist of it is that some of my coworkers, who held Canadian CPLs w/ IFR were denied their ATPL because they had not completed an IFR flight test in an aeroplane within the past 12 months. They had just renewed their IFRs in a sim at their previous company, so they didnt treat the PPC ride as an IFR renewal. I still don't understand what they would have been made to do if their PPCs were done in the sim, but that wasn't an issue at my company. The solution we had to use was wait until their next ride, and make sure the IFR renewal bubble was filled in on the 0249 form. The stupidest part is the PPC ride is the same regardless of whether it is an IFR renewal or not. Just one more dot to fill in, plus a cheque for $30 to the receiver general!

I did read that original post and then it vanished. IFR renewals are allowed in a simulator, as all know. For a Canadian CPL who has all the requirements, all that is required is that an IFR be done in the past 12 months.

But for a foreign licensed pilot who never did his twin IFR commercial ride in Canada, I doubt that all is required is an IFR ride in a sim to earn a Canadian licence.

[AOW]

I did read that original post and then it vanished. IFR renewals are allowed in a simulator, as all know. For a Canadian CPL who has all the requirements, all that is required is that an IFR be done in the past 12 months.

But for a foreign licensed pilot who never did his twin IFR commercial ride in Canada, I doubt that all is required is an IFR ride in a sim to earn a Canadian licence.

I agree that this should be the case, but I know at least two people who were told that an IFR renewal in a sim was acceptable for renewing their IFR, but not for issuing an ATPL.

(5) Skill

(a) Within the 12 months preceding the date of application for the licence, an applicant shall demonstrate in a multi-engined aeroplane with no central thrust configuration and fitted with instruments and equipment suitable for IFR flight in controlled airspace, familiarity with and the ability:

(i) to perform both normal and emergency flight procedures and manoeuvres appropriate to the aeroplane in which the flight test is conducted; and

(ii) to execute all manoeuvres and procedures set forth in Division XIV for issue of a Group 1 instrument rating.

(b) For issue of the Airline Transport Pilot Licence - Aeroplane, the Minister shall only endorse a Group 1 Instrument Rating on the licence.

was given as the justification. So if licensed Canadian pilots are not being allowed to get their ATPLs based on a simulator ride, then foreigners DEFINITELY should not either!

[Gilles Hudicourt]

I don't know why someone that has the requirements for an ATPL would decide to get a CPL instead, provided he is getting a job on a multi-IFR...

I finally have an argument. What of a European pilots who do NOT have the requirements for a Canadian ATPL ?

An ex-Skyservice pilot wrote to me and made me understand this.

He said that several years ago, Skyservice provided ground school to the British pilots who were to come to Canada in order to get a Canadian ATPL. They preferred that the British pilots get a Canadian ATPL than have to bother with an FLVC. He then added, "We only got FLVCs for the F/Os that did not have the required Captain time in order to apply for a Canadian ATPL"

In Europe, many 737 FOs are just CPL rated and do not have an ATPL. In Canada, one can fly in the right seat of an aircraft flown under 705 with a CPL, as long as one writes the IATRA exam.

So the question that this ex Skyservice pilots' email raised in my mind, is why didn't SkyService have those European First Officers get a Canadian CPL and a IATRA instead of a FLVC when the were getting Canadian ATPLs for those that qualified?

My question to you now is what would the CARs require for a European licensed CPL pilot that did not have the command hours to qualify for a Canadian ATPL, to obtain a Canadian CPL, and be checked to fly a passenger jet as F/O in Canada under 705?

Do the regulations allow such a pilot to be tested for his CPL in the right seat of a 737 simulator ?

[Prodriver]

You don't, just need the prerequisites and 1500 TT.

[JHR]

Thanks....seven years later