Best Company For New CPL in YYC

[PositiveRate27]

Illya, which company do you work for?

[Diadem]

Sure you are. So, you're an admitted "troll" then. Class.
A "large" turbo prop. Look, a flying pig!
Illya

No. When did I admit to being a troll? Are you now mocking anyone who flies a turboprop? Don't insult people and then complain about personal attacks. You don't have anything beneficial to say, and your arguments have fallen flat. If all you have left is insults, then you'd be better off keeping it to yourself and not leaving everything thinking you're bitter and childish.
If you still think pilots should refuse ramp jobs, then pray tell how they should get direct-entry flying jobs. What's the secret to getting these positions that you're so insistent are widely available for anyone who will just stop applying for ramp jobs and start applying as pilots? How is working a dead-end minimum-wage job more dignified and less of being a "whore" than towing and loading airplanes? The reason there aren't direct-entry flying jobs for low-timers is because those spots are filled by people who already work for the companies with the openings, which means that until all of the rampies have been moved up in the system there won't be any flying spots for new pilots; even if every low-timer refused to work the ramp starting tomorrow, it would take at least a year to clear the backlog and get employers hiring pilots straight into cockpits. How would it be in the pilots' best interest to spend that year grilling burgers when those operators would be looking for people with aviation experience to work as rampies, dispatchers, charter coordinators, etc., and paying better than McDonald's at that? Why would they turn away qualified applicants who want those jobs just because they have pilot's licences? If at any point hiring stopped again, another backlog of low-timers would form, and they would be sitting around accomplishing nothing in the meantime. If you're worried about skills getting rusty, I don't see how working a cash register would be any more beneficial than fuelling airplanes.
Tell us, O Great Ones, what is the solution to this problem? Should all of the companies which currently employ rampies immediately discontinue the practice of upgrading from ground positions and exclusively hire pilots externally, with all of their current rampies being out of luck? If you were hired as a first officer, and agreed to work at the company for two or three years on the condition that you would be upgraded to captain, would you be happy to abruptly be told that it's not going to happen and all captains will be hired externally in the future? If you've been working hard and waiting in line for that captain position to open up, how is it fair for you to be passed over because someone suddenly decided to take an idiotic principled stand? For that matter, how is taking a job working the ramp while waiting for a flying position any different from taking a first officer job while waiting for a captain position? Should all pilots be holding out until they're offered captain jobs, and anyone who sits in the right seat is a "whore"?

[Tail-Chaser]

God this thread is depressing.

[Illya Kuryakin]

Diadem, you're too spooled for me. I'm off the subject.
But, just in passing. It would be as simple as, if you need a pilot, hire a pilot. If you need ramp labour, hire ramp labour.
Now, I really am gone.
Illya

[Duffman]

Illya, which company do you work for?

Even if he told you it would just be a lie. I wonder if a moderator can see if this user comes from the same IP as any others. I have a feeling someone created this account because they didn't want to be embarrassed by using their real account.

Surely no one credible can actually be this belligerent.

[Diadem]

It would be as simple as, if you need a pilot, hire a pilot. If you need ramp labour, hire ramp labour.

That doesn't answer anything I asked. What if a pilot applies for that ramp position because they need an income? What if you don't have any flying spots open at the time, and the pilot wants to work for you in that ramp position instead of flipping burgers? When you finally get a free pilot spot, you know that individual, you know his or her work ethic, and you know whether he or she stands out above all the other 200-hour wonders. Would you turn away an engineer or firefighter who wants the job because those people have qualifications for other careers? Are the only suitable applicants for ramp positions those who've been lobotomized?
Having a pilot's licence doesn't entitle you to a flying job any more than taking acting lessons entitles you to a role in an Oscar-winning film.

[ScudRunner]

This thread has raised a few questions, so to any noobs reading this thread:

1. When did you start thinking about getting your first job flying?

2. Did you do any market research before you dropped huge coin on a CPL?


The OP came on here and asked what appeared to be a simple question "what's the best company for new CPL in YYC?" the simple answer is as stated before "anyone that will put you in a seat) or Sunwest, North Cariboo, CMA, Carson, Kenn Borek, even Jazz (200 hour College thing).

Now to spew wisdom in an attempt to help others reading this, if you wanted to be a pilot did you sit down and research the job market and whats available to a new pilot. It sounds very much like the OP got his CPL signed and then walked out the door of the flight school and said "now what?"

If you did your training in YYC why would you not be trying to get a part time job at any of those companies 1 even 2 years before you completed your licence? Perhaps when you finished your training you could be the next guy in line if they have a noob program like Sunwest does. At the very worst your going to make contacts with a ton of working pilots who you might get along with you and say hey my old company up in Fort St Lake Nowhere is looking for a 206 pilot this summer give them a shout tell them I sent you. Trust me it happens I have been around long enough that every couple months I get a shout from a former co worker or old friend saying hey you hiring or I have a friend who company needs a guy. I would say when starting out most jobs are not posted on job sites it who you know.

So get out there early even when just training, don't do a long cross country to the states go to Fort Simpson or Red Lake get a map and find every Air Taxi operator on the way.

All this being said I would advise getting the F out of Alberta if your a noob unless you can get some PIC or MPIC without being held to Contrails (you better know what that is), PIC is king MPIC is even better if you want to live in YYC go away have fun up north trust me we don't talk about the one time at FL400 when sipping coffee in cruise.

[TeePeeCreeper]

Illya, which company do you work for?

Even if he told you it would just be a lie. I wonder if a moderator can see if this user comes from the same IP as any others. I have a feeling someone created this account because they didn't want to be embarrassed by using their real account.

Surely no one credible can actually be this belligerent.

With all due respect, your obviously (having read some of your past posts) still slightly new to this industry.
I have met Illya in the past and he's seen his fair share of trials and tribulations not to mention has more command experience than most of the poster's in this thread combined.

I don't think he is stirring the preverbal pot so to speak in regards to your thinking he is being "belligerent". I have not seen anything in this thread that would garner anything near what you've suggested.

Your either initially hired as a pilot or as a dockhand/loader. The continued practice of the "carrot" that some employers "dangle from a stick" is a process that I genuinely believe should not exist whatsoever.

All the best,
TPC