Ice Pilots of NWT Series on History Channel this Fall!

[niss]

I want to watch on my iPod but it can't get flash, is there anywhere else this can be watched?

[Indanao]

C'mon....this thread has been idle for too long..

They were 'round filing resumes on the episode tonight and there are no cries of indignation?

Round Filing is OK, like the fellow says, what else can you do with them. Writing, "Garbage" on them, and then Round Filing them was either Scott's attempt to make Mikey look bad ( probably ), or Mikey has a certain disrespect for Pilots considering that all of them have more qualifications then he does. And, probably a fair number had more qualifications than Scott did when he started. It takes no time to role over...

As for mail instead of Fax, what they seemed to be saying was don't email em. Why? It's greener, no paper or fuel to transport, and costs nothing. ( or maybe they want unemployed Pilots to pay more - sort of goes with the lack of respect for Pilots thing ) Just put em all in one File and bring em up when needed or delete them. Hard copies may be good for training someone like Scott. Want a copy, duh, print one.

Having said all that, some people are not yet up on this whole computer thing except for gadgets. I find it distasteful for a new Pilot to grade prospective employees. Maybe that was Mikey's attempt to make Scott look bad. ( probably )

[50'minimums]

Have thinngs changerd since I lived there? Where is the steady supply of wanna be's that used to visit the Yellowknife hangers on a weekly basis. When I was there the only way to get a job was for a CP to have seen your face at the reception counter on a steady basis for 6 months or so. Does no body do this in YK anymore?

[MrWings]

I thought the reasoning behind not wearing the survival suits on the second leg was stupid. They said it was because the leg was shorter.

Well, yes, 6 hrs. is shorter than 9 hrs., but you are still 6 HOURS OVER THE ATLANTIC.

What good is safety equipment if you don't use it?

[nimbostratus]

I thought the reasoning behind not wearing the survival suits on the second leg was stupid. They said it was because the leg was shorter.

Well, yes, 6 hrs. is shorter than 9 hrs., but you are still 6 HOURS OVER THE ATLANTIC.

What good is safety equipment if you don't use it?

I wonder how the guy that paid for the training and suits liked to see them not use them. The distance is less, but still six hours over water. As well, I would say that the more important point is that on a 9 hours flight compared with a six hour flight, the aircraft is still the same distance "ABOVE" the Atlantic Ocean. The much more important measurement in my opinion.

Nimbo.

[Brewhouse]

Having said all that, some people are not yet up on this whole computer thing except for gadgets. I find it distasteful for a new Pilot to grade prospective employees. Maybe that was Mikey's attempt to make Scott look bad. ( probably )

For starters, Scott seems like a fairly level headed guy, and I happen to got a kick out of Mikey.

What makes you think that you have to be a long term high time pilot to pick prospective employees? Its not a difficult task, and it sounded like they picked a good one with heavy equipment experiance. He will no doubt fit in on the ramp quite nicely.

They will have certain criteria that has worked out in past employees, and thats what you have to look for. The biggest factor I have found with hireing, is finding a personality that will fit in with the rest of the crew, and will stand up to the work at hand. They are hiring low time pilots so they will have to teach them how to fly when there time comes.

Enjoying the show

[Kilo-Kilo]

Brewhouse makes a good point. I was too vague earlier in my baiting.

What qualities does a person need to select a 'Woo! Commercial pilot! (while clapping hands sarcastically) to do the most menial and labourious of tasks for the astoundingly lowest pay they can be offered.' (paraphrased)

I don't understand why they don't hire riggers, or former Costco/Home Depot racking stockers at least, to handle the cargo labour. At least they would have rampies who can operate the equipment and are content with the job their training has lead them to, without being obsessed with delusions of being rescued from their job to continue on to their destiny. Some question the resentment illustrated by the repetitive statement, "I love my job, I love my job, I love my job," but this is the kind of work that particular person probably did to pay his way through flight school, and not envisioned as the final destination.

[MrWings]

I don't understand why they don't hire riggers, or former Costco/Home Depot racking stockers at least, to handle the cargo labour.

Because those guys don't work for free. They get cheap labour from low-time pilots chasing that carrot.

[allblueskies]

Hey for all I know maybe Scott has a background in HR before becoming a pilot. Either way I think I would rather have him looking over my resume than Mikey, no offense to him. As for Jeremy, that guy wouldn't have lasted more than a week working for me with that attitude. You're pissed at Joe or Mikey or whoever than have it out with them but there is no need for the disrespect he showed his co-workers. I thought it made him look childish and obviously not a team player. You are on a team buddy-with your co, mechanics, controllers, etc. If you're a captain bringing your bird in for a landing in less than desirable conditions, do you want to be sitting next to the crapper who is saying they don't need to listen to you or work with you because he has maybe been there longer? If anyone deserves a leg up I would go for Wilf, he is there to get the job done and not prance around all day for the cameras and insult everyone else. Just my opinion of course, you couldn't pay me enough to sling boxes in that deep freeze. I'll admit it, I am too much of a pansy for anything below -15.

[SierraPoppa]

This could be old news but if anyone has Shaw HD in the Calgary area Ice Pilots NWT is on channel 231 in high definition.

[Kilo-Kilo]

I don't understand why they don't hire riggers, or former Costco/Home Depot racking stockers at least, to handle the cargo labour.

Because those guys don't work for free. They get cheap labour from low-time pilots chasing that carrot.

But they create a revolving door of bitter employees. When their epaulets (or fur ear-flap hat) have been earned does that old wound heal over, or does it fester with resentment until they too move on?

[Dust Devil]

I don't understand why they don't hire riggers, or former Costco/Home Depot racking stockers at least, to handle the cargo labour.

Maybe because that's not what Joe wants and since it's his money paying the salaries it's up to him.

[MrWings]

But they create a revolving door of bitter employees. When their epaulets (or fur ear-flap hat) have been earned does that old wound heal over, or does it fester with resentment until they too move on?

Oh I'm not arguing that with you. I've seen places like that. Given the first chance to leave, the pilots did. Then the manager complained that the pilots had no loyalty.

That is when they brought in training bonds to prevent people from leaving.

I'd like to think the better solution is to create an environment where people don't want to leave. But for some places in Canada this might not be possible. I think many operators have realized that they are just a stepping stone. They have bitterness as well.

I don't know Joe. But he looks like a guy that's been burnt before.

It's a I'll burn you before you burn me mentality.

[Indanao]

[quote="allblueskies"]Hey for all I know maybe Scott has a background in HR before becoming a pilot. Either way I think I would rather have him looking over my resume than Mikey, no offense to him."

As for Jeremy, WiIf was baiting him. Bible Thumpers - mostly hypocrits, and will suck their way into a position quicker than a wink, for sure quicker than any woman. He may not sware ( yet ) , but he will put one in your back - is my stereotype. The only thing Jeremy doesn't have going for him is his age - he is about what 22yrs. old. Guys got a great future if they don't destroy him with the B.S..

Not too many with an HR background Parking Cars these days. And, the new guy has to work with this newbie while they both think he owes the newbie his job. Great for moral. Not.

I went to night school. Can't spell in the daytime.

[Hawker]

Anybody know what program they used to track those 215' across the ocean? must say it was much better then flightaware!

[WaldoPepper]

re: the resumes

I was a little dissappointed to see Scott reading the resume and say "recent graduate of..." then throw it in the garbage.

Why the hate on colleges?

[Indanao]

Having said all that, some people are not yet up on this whole computer thing except for gadgets. I find it distasteful for a new Pilot to grade prospective employees. Maybe that was Mikey's attempt to make Scott look bad. ( probably )

They are hiring low time pilots so they will have to teach them how to fly when there time comes.

Enjoying the show

Well, no matter what school you went to - if you got an ATR, nobody has to teach you how to fly.
That is where the B.S. creeps in........

[Canoehead]

As for Jeremy, WiIf was baiting him. Bible Thumpers - mostly hypocrits, and will suck their way into a position quicker than a wink, for sure quicker than any woman. He may not sware ( yet ) , but he will put one in your back - is my stereotype. The only thing Jeremy doesn't have going for him is his age - he is about what 22yrs. old. Guys got a great future if they don't destroy him with the B.S..

That's a pretty broad statement to make. I've not seen Wilf 'bible thumping' on the show. The guy's a Christian- what's that got to do with the banter going on between him and Jeremy?
As a Christian (who has never 'sucked' his way into any position) I take exception to your comment- as I'm sure 'any women' on here would.

Tasteless post IMHO.

[niss]

Everyone should remember that there is stuff going on that we don't get to see & and that someone edited this to get the story they wanted.

Also, is anyone watching this on their iphone?

[Cat Driver]

Well, no matter what school you went to - if you got an ATR, nobody has to teach you how to fly.
That is where the B.S. creeps in........

As I understand it you can get an ATR and never fly anything except maybe a Cessna 172 and an old Apache for your multi/IFR.

Are you now capable of flying the DC3 /C46 / DC4 without a whole lot of training?

[302sc]

Anybody know what program they used to track those 215' across the ocean? must say it was much better then flightaware!

flightaware

[Indanao]

Well, no matter what school you went to - if you got an ATR, nobody has to teach you how to fly.
That is where the B.S. creeps in........

As I understand it you can get an ATR and never fly anything except maybe a Cessna 172 and an old Apache for your multi/IFR.

Are you now capable of flying the DC3 /C46 / DC4 without a whole lot of training?

Training to fly a DC3 assumes that you already, "know how to fly". man the myth continues. I'm out.

[Cat Driver]

Training to fly a DC3 assumes that you already, "know how to fly". man the myth continues. I'm out.

My bad, I forgot the DC3 is probably the easiest airplane one could find to learn to fly.

[Brewhouse]

Anybody know what program they used to track those 215' across the ocean? must say it was much better then flightaware!

flightaware

I think that was actually SkyTrack satelite tracking.

[Indanao]

As for Jeremy, WiIf was baiting him. Bible Thumpers - mostly hypocrits, and will suck their way into a position quicker than a wink, for sure quicker than any woman. He may not sware ( yet ) , but he will put one in your back - is my stereotype. The only thing Jeremy doesn't have going for him is his age - he is about what 22yrs. old. Guys got a great future if they don't destroy him with the B.S..

That's a pretty broad statement to make. I've not seen Wilf 'bible thumping' on the show. The guy's a Christian- what's that got to do with the banter going on between him and Jeremy?
As a Christian (who has never 'sucked' his way into any position) I take exception to your comment- as I'm sure 'any women' on here would.

Tasteless post IMHO.

one more, "any woman on here would"...why are they special, or just different in some way...extrapolate..ain't that just like a, "Christian"..will use any thing from Moral Self Righteousness , to Gender - that way they can say they are holier- than- thou. No pun intended. It was, again, my Stereotype - not, obviously, a statement of fact.