Ice Pilots of NWT Series on History Channel this Fall!

[flying4dollars]

I seriously question the logic of keeping an overspeeding prop running until final. In my mind, the only reason they could barely hold 4000' was the drag of an essentially windmilling prop. I don't know ducks but in the piston planes I've flown, the only way to control RPM would have been to reduce power out of the prop governing range. That would be a very low power setting causing much more drag than thrust wouldn't it?

Side question from those in the know: Wouldn't they have been a tonne or two over their landing weight with all that ferry gas? Doesn't that require a pretty major inspection to the landing gear?

And from a few episodes ago I'd just like to point out that nothing says "class" like wearing your very best plaid jacket to a wedding! I guess you can put a dress on a pig...

Depends on the aircraft and how much fuel with ferry tanks and extra weight was on board.

I doubt they were over weight on landing, and I'm sure they were aware of that. As for the overspeeding prop, I don't know the performance or limitations of this aircraft but to bring the prop rpm back to the green arc probably wouldn't be so much that it would cause more drag than thrust. The benefits of leaving that engine running (as long as you're within all operating limits), means you're still producing power. Even if it isn't contributing to adding a lot of thrust, it's still acting as a power plant (think generating purposes).

[CLguy]

Co joe the worst thing you can do on a R-2800 is pull the power back right away. What ends up happening is you could end up with the engine idling with flat pitch and no way to feather it. The procedure is to let it overspeed ( I am reaching pretty deep into the memory bank) but if I remember correctly, at around 3100 rpm there is blade locks that open to physically lock the blades into the fixed pitch position. You can then power it back and operate it as a fixed pitch prop.

Never saw the episode so can't comment on what was shown. I do know those aircraft are Series 1 CL-215's and they do have a lower landing weight that the later series.

[Cat Driver]

He was sitting left seat but not Captain I think. Probably getting time in the left seat for future. He was right seat on the previous legs.

Which seat you sit in has no bearing on who is captain.

[iflyforpie]

On some planes, the Captain goes to the crew rest bunk for a few hours...

[niss]

He was sitting left seat but not Captain I think. Probably getting time in the left seat for future. He was right seat on the previous legs.

Which seat you sit in has no bearing on who is captain.

Unless the seat looks like this:

[North Shore]

WRT the overspeed, book says "If engine overspeed occurs, reduce airspeed by climbing and reduce THROTTLE CONTROL lever and RPM CONTROL lever settings. If overspeed condition persists, feather propeller."
In any case, it will only overspeed to 3100rpm, as a valve closes, and the prop becomes locked at a fixed pitch...and thus controllable with the throttle.

[787]

A preview of the next episode they show one of the 215's doing a gear up landing on asphault. I am assuming pilot error anyone know the story.

[C-FABH]

A preview of the next episode they show one of the 215's doing a gear up landing on asphault. I am assuming pilot error anyone know the story.

CADORS event 2009C0944 if you are curious (I won't give it away!)

Also, if you want to read more behind the "root cause" of the wing damage from today's show, look up 2009O0680 while you are at it. Somehow I'm not surprised that the contractor demanded a new pilot.

[787]

C-FABH

Thanks for the CANDORS. Very interesting info.

[Cat Driver]

Can you paste the link?

[AuxBatOn]

That Jeremy guy has the crappiest attitude a pilot could have. Whining about everything and when he gets a chance on the flight attending course, he still whines and shows attitude. I'd kick his ass then fire him.

[canwhitewolf]

gear up landing on the 215

Oh no!

in turkey of all places

[C-FABH]

Can you paste the link?

Unfortunately the TC website is garbage and can't handle links. That is the type of BS I get to deal with every day


http://wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/Saf-Sec-Sur/2/c ... x?lang=eng

Just plop the number in the very top box and click 'search'
2009C0944
2009O0680

[Doc]

When I grow up I want to work for these guys!
What a shit show. The program isn't very good either.

[Kilo-Kilo]

Who's hacking the links out of these threads at alarming speeds? Every time I refresh they are gone or have changed.

[Beach 200]

After reading the CADOR of the wing tip of the C46 hitting a tree top while AIRBORNE in a low level hot dog stunt "to check something out" certainly makes this captain look like an idiot, why Joe didn't fire his ass for that I don't know!
Were we not taught to do a precautionary inspection (regardless of what your inspecting) at a safe and legal 500feet AGL?

[Kilo-Kilo]

The incident in Izmir, Turkey (cool place, spent some time there) as by Rod Ridley:

The Buffalo Airways amphibious CL-215, Canadian registration C-FTXB, was being used for pilot training at Izmir, Turkey. During a landing at the airport, the landing gear was not selected down and the aircraft’s centre keel made contact with the runway before the landing was aborted and a go around was successfully carried out. The aircraft returned to the airport and landed uneventfully with the landing gear down and locked. A post-occurrence inspection revealed slice-through damage to the center keel beam consistent with ground contact. The damage on the center keel starts approximately 3-4 feet forward of the water drop doors and widens in the aft direction (in a tapered shape) to approximately 10 inches from each side of the keel. There was damage to the ribs and structural members inside the hull.

Edit: Correctly parse text

[Beach 200]

I'm surprised these CADOR's didn't make into tonights episode. Only 1 out of the 3 total CADORS from that Northern Ontario Mission made it into the show
CADOR 2009O0613
2009O0797

Looks like Capt Justin had to shut an engine down. Could of added some excitement to the show!!

[shitdisturber]

After bending a wing in the trees I hope he's happy at Buffalo as I suspect that's about as far as he's going to go. It's one thing to do something colossally stupid, it's another to do it in front of a tv audience; which admittedly is probably only a few hundred but still................

[Dust Devil]

After bending a wing in the trees I hope he's happy at Buffalo as I suspect that's about as far as he's going to go. It's one thing to do something colossally stupid, it's another to do it in front of a tv audience; which admittedly is probably only a few hundred but still................

Likely more than a few hundered. Likely over a hundred thousand. There was a report that they are beating out Leno. Then again his ratings have been in the toilet.

[f650]

Regarding the C-46 wing tip incident. Any chance the camera man talked him into a low pass for a photo op?

[Doc]

Hitting trees, gear up landing, all on national TV. They're my heroes!

[niss]

Record #1
Cadors Number: 2009O0680

Reporting Region: Ontario
Occurrence Information
Occurrence Type: Incident

Occurrence Date: 2009-03-28
Occurrence Time: 2230 Z

Day Or Night: day-time
Fatalities: 0

Injuries: 0
Canadian Aerodrome ID:

Aerodrome Name:
Occurrence Location: Koper Lake Ice Strip
Province: Ontario

Country: CANADA
World Area: North America
Reported By: Transportation Safety Board

AOR Number:
TSB Class Of Investigation: 5

TSB Occurrence No: A09O0071
Aircraft Information
Flight #:
Aircraft Category: Aeroplane

Country of Registration: CANADA
Make: CURTISS WRIGHT

Model: C46D
Year Built: 1945

Amateur Built: No
Engine Make: PRATT & WHITNEY-USA

Engine Model: R-2800-51M3
Engine Type: Reciprocating

Gear Type: Land
Phase of Flight: Cruise

Damage: Minor
Owner: BUFFALO AIRWAYS LTD

Operator: BUFFALO AIRWAYS LTD. (5319)
Operator Type: Commercial
Event Information
Collision with object
Detail Information
User Name: Donaldson, John
Date: 2009-04-21
Further Action Required: Yes
O.P.I.: Commercial & Business Aviation
Narrative: Initial information received from T.S.B. Initial Notification [#A09O0071]: The Buffalo Airways Curtiss C46 aircraft (C-FAVO) had departed from Koper Lake Ice Strip destined for Geraldton, Ontario. After a southbound departure, the flight crew decided to complete an eastbound, low-level inspection of the southern end of the airstrip, specifically the newly-made turnaround area. While manoeuvring at treetop level, at an airspeed of 140kts, the crew encountered a wind gust and struck a tree with the left wingtip. The flight crew elected to continue the flight to Geraldton, where the aircraft was landed without further incident. Maintenance staff repaired the wingtip and returned the aircraft to service.
User Name: Donaldson, John
Date: 2009-11-13
Further Action Required: No
O.P.I.:
Narrative: UPDATE Follow-up information received from Commercial & Business Aviation [2009/11/12]: A Civil Aviation Safety Inspector (CASI) advised that this was handled under the operator's safety management system. A corrective action plan was submitted and this incident has now been closed.

[Cat Driver]

After a southbound departure, the flight crew decided to complete an eastbound, low-level inspection of the southern end of the airstrip, specifically the newly-made turnaround area. While manoeuvring at treetop level, at an airspeed of 140kts, the crew encountered a wind gust and struck a tree with the left wingtip.

[Donald]

If you recall, several episodes earlier when Devan Brooks was being filmed doing the Valley run, he said he enjoyed northern flying because you have the freedom to do whatever you want, including low-level flying. You can then see some examples of this, buzzing trees and lakes on the way home. Obviously someone at Koper Lake saw this happening at their camp, and when he hit a tree, they rightfully called Joe to have him replaced. I would hazard a guess that the only reason he wasn't turfed, was they had no replacement to do the Valley in YZF.

The little closed door meeting was a bit of a joke too. We have an experienced captain, off strip etc, and we have a guy who's worked hard on the pallet jack, flies the a/c well, but zero ice strip experience. You don't like the French guy, so we'll send in the newbie. How'd that work out? They had the opportunity for a perfect setup, the experienced ice strip guy to make sure conditions were acceptable, and the experienced on type guy to make sure the a/c was operated appropriately.

Looks like Capt Justin had to shut an engine down. Could of added some excitement to the show!!

If you notice, at the end of yesterday's episode, when Justin is landing at YZF the #3 engine is shutdown already.