FlyDubai 737 (Rostov-on-Don, RU)

[BTD]

I'm concluding that you're one of the "Wait till the official report" guys, which is perfectly fine.

Not necessarily, I think good discussion can come, even if the speculation doesn't turn out to be exactly the cause.

News media reporting on aviation accidents is almost entirely uninformed by anyone who knows much about aviation.

I do know that the pressure is to get out anything new ASAP.

This is why we should not give a lot of credit to an article that includes descriptions that don't make sense. If the descriptions did make sense, then give the article more consideration.

So what is new, and I think will turn out to be sort of true, is that there is a remark like "Don't do that" on the CVR.

The article itself says; "The channel emphasized that its interpretation of the transcript could not be considered the official version of what had happened." So immediately the CVR transript is suspect.

Some people, particularly those flying the 737, don't want to wait to find out why a 737 would abandon what seemed to be a normal approach, climb into the clag, and then dive out and straight into the ground.

I agree, however, it would be unlikely that much information will be gained from this one article.

To top it off, and illustrate my point, avherald.com, (which could also be suspect, but is generally pretty good, and consists of only aviation related news) includes information that says.

On Mar 29th 2016 the MAK condemned all "leaked" information reported by Russian media as false and stated, that no information whatsoever has been leaked from the investigation.

This is why I believe it is foolish to attempt to interpret what is in this particular article. It could turn out to be right, but right now, I think there are too many questions about its accuracy to spend time with that. Just wait a few more days/weeks until corroborating evidence is presented.

BTD

[old_man]

avherald update

[Nark]

Reading that the PF applied -2 seconds of nose down trim and control inputs, I have to wonder if he had serious Somatogravic illusions.

[FICU]

Reading that the PF applied -2 seconds of nose down trim and control inputs, I have to wonder if he had serious Somatogravic illusions.

The Metro syndrome

[pdw]

EDIT (Fri Apr22):
The similar accident in Kazan i recall mentioned something about suspecting a seized trim actuator at some point in the investigation.

EDIT2(Sat apr23):

I've been to Rostov a couple of times and among Russian pilots it's famous for its bunchy RW and strong winds ...

Al is referring to galeforce winds coming off the Back Sea like the WSW there at Rostov. The RW gusts caused a 20kt rise in AS to 176kts in 3sec; was their reason for "going around" (Av Herald update Apr18). Why would they go missed over that if the vis was OK ?

EDIT3 Sun Apr24(regarding next post/below):

Was just thinking I did have variable tailwinds on final this past week.

Just thinking what the "bunchy RW" would be like in that example with your "tailwind on final", ie catching up to it (a heavier gusting duration / same direction) instead of oncoming; a negative on airspeed instead of gain. Probably in it for longer duration / more than "3 sec" of decreasing airspeed ? ... so not as abrupt .. a more gradual / smoother decay ? ... ie than would be a "20kt rise" if that much RW-change is met going the opposite direction in approach ?

EDIT4(grammar) EDIT5: Bunchy RW appears to be a term referring to any spasmodic changes of relative wind RW (a few of them bunched together) which increase or decrease IAS proportionately/accordingly
(Spasmodic: happening suddenly and briefly at different times in a way that is not regular).

[Rookie50]

Was just thinking I did have variable tailwinds on final this past week. Really.

[Nark]

Reading that the PF applied -2 seconds of nose down trim and control inputs, I have to wonder if he had serious Somatogravic illusions.

The Metro syndrome

Was that Norway House in September 2001?

[GARRETT]

The IAC interim report says the nose down trim input was actually 12 seconds!

[FICU]

Was that Norway House in September 2001?

There was one at Shamattawa and another good example of a go-around followed by a steep dive into the ground at Terrace. Both due to somatogravic illusions. I think Norway House was a landing/excursion accident.

[Nark]

Was that Norway House in September 2001?

There was one at Shamattawa and another good example of a go-around followed by a steep dive into the ground at Terrace. Both due to somatogravic illusions. I think Norway House was a landing/excursion accident.

Ahh that's right. I just moved to Thompson that same week, it was a fresh wound for many of the locals.

[Eric Janson]

Interim report - a very sad read.

http://mak-iac.org/upload/iblock/310/In ... 8en%29.pdf

[Eric Janson]

More FlyDubai exposure....

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... -documents

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... s-flydubai

and the response from FlyDubai:-

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... s-flydubai

What I have heard is that absolutely nothing has changed at FlyDubai since this accident. This company was previously being discussed on this Forum as some sort of fantastic job - looks like a company to steer well clear of.