woop_woop wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:46 am I'm sure those who's views have actually been changed during this downturn, will continue to apply to the Cargo world even after they get a call back. At that point they will be much more attractive. After all, they still wouldn't wan't the off again on again life of an airline pilot, right?

As for the others? Well, thats exactly who we're trying to avoid.

Freeport_Flyer wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:54 pm

woop_woop wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:46 am I'm sure those who's views have actually been changed during this downturn, will continue to apply to the Cargo world even after they get a call back. At that point they will be much more attractive. After all, they still wouldn't wan't the off again on again life of an airline pilot, right?

As for the others? Well, thats exactly who we're trying to avoid.

I see what you're saying... Those that really want to make the change will apply again even after being recalled to their airline. Showing a strong desire to leave the airline for cargo, rather than just taking "any flying job until I get recalled to the airline". It's just bad luck for anyone right now that really feels that way as operators believe any furloughed airline pilot will leave them as soon as able, even if it's not the case. You're right, it's a funny industry we work in. Having said that, I am sure there are things operators could do to help this retention problem.

Ash Ketchum wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 6:55 am Alternatively, maybe a 2-3 year pro-rated bond for the type rating costs would ensure the company does not incur a financial loss by hiring an airline pilot.

Chaxterium wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 6:57 am

Ash Ketchum wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 6:55 am Alternatively, maybe a 2-3 year pro-rated bond for the type rating costs would ensure the company does not incur a financial loss by hiring an airline pilot.

Morningstar has a two-year bond on the Boeing. I'm not sure about the other types but I'm assuming there's on bond on those as well.

Air.Field wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 5:33 pm

Chaxterium wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 6:57 am

Ash Ketchum wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 6:55 am Alternatively, maybe a 2-3 year pro-rated bond for the type rating costs would ensure the company does not incur a financial loss by hiring an airline pilot.

Morningstar has a two-year bond on the Boeing. I'm not sure about the other types but I'm assuming there's on bond on those as well.

If there's a bond, then what's the problem. In 2-3 years some of those 703/704 guys will split for AC/WJ/SW etc (pending recovery). Was just a year ago, Morningstar would've taken anyone from those airlines no questions asked, and they'll be in that position again down the road.

Dh8Classic wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:39 pm

Air.Field wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 5:33 pm

Chaxterium wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 6:57 am

Morningstar has a two-year bond on the Boeing. I'm not sure about the other types but I'm assuming there's on bond on those as well.

If there's a bond, then what's the problem. In 2-3 years some of those 703/704 guys will split for AC/WJ/SW etc (pending recovery). Was just a year ago, Morningstar would've taken anyone from those airlines no questions asked, and they'll be in that position again down the road.

Because they want people for 10 years, or more.

Air.Field wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:17 pm Ad up again for ATR, if you're laid off from 705 don't bother, they threw out those apps last time

igorcanuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 10:37 am Anyone got a call yet? Any info on this?

tallyho wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:31 am Remember kids, don't believe everything you read on the internet!

Interviewing is complete, many of whom were furloughed 705 pilots. Like many companies the key is having a good internal reference.

dhc# wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:45 am

tallyho wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:31 am Remember kids, don't believe everything you read on the internet!

Interviewing is complete, many of whom were furloughed 705 pilots. Like many companies the key is having a good internal reference.

Then why bother posting the ad.... if the outcome is already pre-determined ?

There is no mention in the ad of internal references being a qualification or requirement.

Tbayer2021 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 4:05 pm It seems the pilots at Morningstar finally have a new contract. It is an arbitrated contract after ALPA and the company couldn't reach an agreement following over a year of negotiations.

The big takeaways are significantly improved pay scales, perdiem, overtime and training credits. Along with other gains in other areas.

Perdiem went from $3.50 to $4.25 an hour, and $4.25USD and hour while training in the US.

Uniform allowance went from $40 a month to $150 a month with protection against potential future taxation by the CRA. If the CRA decides to start taxing the benefit, the pilot will always receive $150 and the company has to pay the tax.

Cost of Living Allowance (COLA) has been increased to 3% with CPI protection with the potential of an additional 2% on top of the 3% should the CPI go higher than 3% that year.

Training credits increased from 4 hours a day per sim day, to 7 hours a day.

New hires can start contributing to their pension plan 3 months into employment. However, no changes to contribution amounts, company matches up to 4% the first 5 years. 5% from 5 years to 15 years, and 6% after that.

New Boeing payscale is only for the 757, not a blended 757/767 like Cargojet. However, the new scales are significantly higher than Cargojet and it only takes 10 to reach the top, instead of 12.

Caravan and ATR pay have also significantly improved. Caravan pay will immediately top out at over 100K and will reach 120K at the end of the contract. ATR pay is also significantly higher than any of the regionals.

Overtime over 86 hours on the Boeing, 75 in the turboprops, will be paid at 2X. Drafts will also be paid at 2X. All other triggers for OT will be the normal 1.5X.

Length of contract is 7 years. Which means we have about 5.5 years left.

Salary will be retroactively paid to April 1st 2020, along with any OT worked. Things like Uniform Allowance and perdiem will be retro paid to January 1st 2021.

viccoastdog wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 8:21 pm One further thing, when switching equipment, one moves up the seniority scale a year for the purpose of salary.

dhc# wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 5:16 pm Is the planned expansion of the turboprop fleet (ATR) done yet ?

If not which bases are still growing?

Morningstar_Reality wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 6:06 pm For anyone wondering why Morningstar is posting quite a bit lately, here is why.

Ever since the contract was settled by the arbitrator, the relationship between the company and its pilots has taken quite a turn for the worst. While pay is considerably better than it was before, and better than most airlines. Its clearly not enough to keep people behind. The vast majority of those hired during the pandemic were laid off from other major 705s; AC, Westjet, Sunwing, Encore, etc.

The first thing you'll notice is that average days worked has been moved up from 10-12 in older ads, to 12-14 in this latest 757 FO post. This is still being quite optimistic, lots of guys doing considerably more than that. On a similar note, the claim of not having to work on weekends has not been the norm for quite some time now. There is considerably more weekend flying and deadheading.

The company also seems to have it out for commuters, literally having pulled a bait and switch on them. They were struggling to find candidates right before the pandemic, so they were very welcoming to anyone qualified, even if they commuted. Going as far as showing them current commuters schedules and how good it was, telling them they could work with scheduling to build a commuter friendly schedule. Only to turn around and tell them that they cannot offer any preferential treatment to them as it would be unfair to the other pilots. Given that the company makes the schedule at their sole discretion, we do not have seniority based bidding or any sort of bidding for that matter. In another show of pettiness, the company has eliminated the only catering the pilots received when doing the YYC day turn. Along with sending an email out saying they would no longer stock aircraft with water and to bring your own. Yes, you read that right, the only flight that had catering no longer does, and the company is too cheap to provide water.

But wait there is more! Not only is there a bond, but they will tack on all other ancillary costs associated with training. Having taken a look at one of the bills sent to a pilot on his way out, it included the following; per diems, hotel, airfare and Avis car rental. For a grand total of over 62K, while the training course itself, which they curiously label as "instructor fee" is 48k. I guess the Sim is free of charge?

Morale is quite low and people are leaving faster than they can replace them. leading to management having to fly the line quite often these days. That being said, the company doesn't seem to be changing its way and it some cases seems to be doubling down. Maybe they have a grand plan we're all too stupid to realize?

Tread carefully.