Training bond and fail PPC

[Bug_Stomper_01]

There is no other option than to run. It’s predatory.

Depending on the company one of two things can happen. A) they have some humanity forgive the bond and let you carry on, or more likely 2) He gets sued and dragged into interlocutory proceeding costing thousands in protracted litigation. His best course of action is to seek legal advice before proceeding. What kind of company is this, what kind of machinery we talking?

[Bug_Stomper_01]

Hey guys

I’m wondering if this is normal on most 703s, they require you to pay the bond even if you fail the ride? Is this an industry normal thing on most operators? Or is it a red flag on a small % of operators?

Any info would be very much appreciated since I’ve got to offers and both state pilot must pay the bond if fails the ride.

What kind of documents are we talking about signing here? A bond and promissory note? If you don’t know ask to see the boilerplate (if it exists) to review with an employment lawyer before proceeding, I can help in that area if you’re interested (dm me).

As Dukkar stated a few posts up this is definitely a predatory tactic, regardless of check ride caveat or not. The bond will absolutely be leveraged for what I’m guessing will be a minimum of 24 months prorated. I’ve said it and so have what I consider reputable posters on this forum, that bonds equal bad employment arrangements. That said they also know you need those accolades to advance your career. I like schnitzels idea (after you review the bond with a lawyer) offer what you can do for them without the bond, which, I think will be fruitless. Hope this helps, don’t be too eager to sign anything before consulting with a lawyer!

[Duukar]

There is no other option than to run. It’s predatory.

Depending on the company one of two things can happen. A) they have some humanity forgive the bond and let you carry on, or more likely 2) He gets sued and dragged into interlocutory proceeding costing thousands in protracted litigation. His best course of action is to seek legal advice before proceeding. What kind of company is this, what kind of machinery we talking?

What I'm saying is that one should never consider paying out a training bond if you haven't obtained gainful employment from the bond, and not even a PPC in the event of a failed ride.

Good luck to the employer who takes this to court. You received zero value for your money in this case so what exactly are they asking you to pay for? For the honor of being considered and passed over for employment? They essentially turned sim into a protracted interview where you are paying all the expenses one way or the other.

So if you fail a ride and then have to turn around and pay $40,000 or whatever trumped up costs they hand over(I'm assuming this is some turbo prop operator) I wouldn't even consider signing. Just find somewhere else to work.

However, if you feel like you don't have options I really wouldn't worry about failing a ride. Instead, I would consider very carefully if this is the kind of place you want to spend the next two years working. If this is how they treat you on the front end I'm sure there are other more concerning issues hiding in the background.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

There is no other option than to run. It’s predatory.

Depending on the company one of two things can happen. A) they have some humanity forgive the bond and let you carry on, or more likely 2) He gets sued and dragged into interlocutory proceeding costing thousands in protracted litigation. His best course of action is to seek legal advice before proceeding. What kind of company is this, what kind of machinery we talking?

What I'm saying is that one should never consider paying out a training bond if you haven't obtained gainful employment from the bond, and not even a PPC in the event of a failed ride.

Good luck to the employer who takes this to court. You received zero value for your money in this case so what exactly are they asking you to pay for? For the honor of being considered and passed over for employment? They essentially turned sim into a protracted interview where you are paying all the expenses one way or the other.

So if you fail a ride and then have to turn around and pay $40,000 or whatever trumped up costs they hand over(I'm assuming this is some turbo prop operator) I wouldn't even consider signing. Just find somewhere else to work.

However, if you feel like you don't have options I really wouldn't worry about failing a ride. Instead, I would consider very carefully if this is the kind of place you want to spend the next two years working. If this is how they treat you on the front end I'm sure there are other more concerning issues hiding in the background.

I agree about not signing, not what some of these companies will do legally if your end of the bargain isn’t fulfilled. I’ve seen employees sued and employers sued over these deals, and with the state Canadas loose jurisprudence it’s sometimes very surprising what happens when it lands in front of a judge.
A training bond is 150% nothing more than leverage used to manipulate the candidate, it’s never just to protect both parties on its face. It is a predatory tactic used by bad employers in Canadian aviation PERIOD.