Tentative Agreement 2

[flying4dollars]

Air Canada 1998

AirBC, Air Ontario, Air Nova, Air Alliance 1997

Air Ontario late 80s early 90’s. couldn’t find a reference.

Eastern Provincial 1983.

Nordair 1976

“I don’t care about other industries… they have their own problems. I’m talking aviation.”

You may not care about other industries but you’re missing the point. When inflation takes off and employees fall behind, labor instability often ensues in general. Look around at what has been happening in Canada over the last few years. We haven’t seen this many strikes since the 80’s and 90’s

It does not matter if you are a dump truck driver, a Nurse, or a Pilot.

What I am saying is that although the recent past, with low inflation, may indicate a strike is unlikely? It does not imply that is a given in our current environment. Particularly so with a government that has indicated it will not intervene.

I also believe an AC strike later this year is 50/50. Same issue. So far behind inflation adjusted wages from 2003 that that catchup number is now massive. It will be a hell of a fight to get it back.

Add pilot inflation from the pilot shortage and the gap gets even larger.

I am not suggesting the Encore pilots should be afraid of strike. Far from it. I would advise against being cavalier about it. It can happen and based on the current environment more likely than the recent past.

I agree with some of your points. I hope for the best for all pilots. I have very little faith that the government won’t intervene when it comes to flagship airline. Encore…..ya they probably won’t even get out of their chair for… as much as that sucks.

They sure did put a noose on the FA strike for air Canada in 2011. Don’t be surprised if all of sudden it happens again, albeit probably in a more “woke” way.

Our union has been in direct contact with labor minister Seamus O'Reagan (sp?) and he has indicated his government has no interest in intervention as he believes the best agreements are made at the table. I also think it was found that Lisa Rat's back to work legislation was deemed by the courts as unconstitutional in 2015. So I don't believe a back to work legislation will rear its ugly head again.

[CaptDukeNukem]

Air Canada 1998

AirBC, Air Ontario, Air Nova, Air Alliance 1997

Air Ontario late 80s early 90’s. couldn’t find a reference.

Eastern Provincial 1983.

Nordair 1976

“I don’t care about other industries… they have their own problems. I’m talking aviation.”

You may not care about other industries but you’re missing the point. When inflation takes off and employees fall behind, labor instability often ensues in general. Look around at what has been happening in Canada over the last few years. We haven’t seen this many strikes since the 80’s and 90’s

It does not matter if you are a dump truck driver, a Nurse, or a Pilot.

What I am saying is that although the recent past, with low inflation, may indicate a strike is unlikely? It does not imply that is a given in our current environment. Particularly so with a government that has indicated it will not intervene.

I also believe an AC strike later this year is 50/50. Same issue. So far behind inflation adjusted wages from 2003 that that catchup number is now massive. It will be a hell of a fight to get it back.

Add pilot inflation from the pilot shortage and the gap gets even larger.

I am not suggesting the Encore pilots should be afraid of strike. Far from it. I would advise against being cavalier about it. It can happen and based on the current environment more likely than the recent past.

I agree with some of your points. I hope for the best for all pilots. I have very little faith that the government won’t intervene when it comes to flagship airline. Encore…..ya they probably won’t even get out of their chair for… as much as that sucks.

They sure did put a noose on the FA strike for air Canada in 2011. Don’t be surprised if all of sudden it happens again, albeit probably in a more “woke” way.

Our union has been in direct contact with labor minister Seamus O'Reagan (sp?) and he has indicated his government has no interest in intervention as he believes the best agreements are made at the table. I also think it was found that Lisa Rat's back to work legislation was deemed by the courts as unconstitutional in 2015. So I don't believe a back to work legislation will rear its ugly head again.

Well that’s at least some good news. However public opinion when it starts to become disruptive to them, starts changing ministers minds…. And legislation, is just language, someone will find a weak line of code or two.

Wait and see I guess

[Canadaflyer46]

Strike notice issued at 1500 today, shortly followed by a company lockout notice.

[Fanblade]

Good luck guys.

[digits_]

Strike notice issued at 1500 today, shortly followed by a company lockout notice.

Good luck!

When will the strike start?

[CaptDukeNukem]

Stay strong guys. We’re all on your side.

[GetAGripen]

Strike notice issued at 1500 today, shortly followed by a company lockout notice.

Good luck!

When will the strike start?

We will walk off as of 18:00MT on Saturday June 1st.

[goingnowherefast]

Well that’s at least some good news. However public opinion when it starts to become disruptive to them, starts changing ministers minds…. And legislation, is just language, someone will find a weak line of code or two.

Wait and see I guess

Public is pretty fed up with corporate profits, high cost of living and stagnant WAWCON. Union support in general is up quite a bit in North America.

[CaptDukeNukem]

Well that’s at least some good news. However public opinion when it starts to become disruptive to them, starts changing ministers minds…. And legislation, is just language, someone will find a weak line of code or two.

Wait and see I guess

Public is pretty fed up with corporate profits, high cost of living and stagnant WAWCON. Union support in general is up quite a bit in North America.

Until their flight gets cancelled.

[Old fella]

Well that’s at least some good news. However public opinion when it starts to become disruptive to them, starts changing ministers minds…. And legislation, is just language, someone will find a weak line of code or two.

Wait and see I guess

Public is pretty fed up with corporate profits, high cost of living and stagnant WAWCON. Union support in general is up quite a bit in North America.

Until their flight gets cancelled.

Not an issue( WJ Encore) here in the Maritimes as Jazz/Porter/PAL and lesser extent Flair are still running about.

[TurkeyFarmYQX]

Stick to your guns, everyone has your backs.

[Airbrake]

CALGARY, ALB.—Capt. Carin Kenny, chair of the WestJet Encore Master Executive Council, issued the following statement after WestJet Encore pilot leaders, represented by the Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l (ALPA), voted to approve a full tentative agreement with management. This agreement ends the possibility of a June 1 strike.

“After our pilots rejected the tentative agreement presented to them last month, citing the WestJet Group’s failure to address issues of central importance to the pilot group, we are very pleased to announce we have reached a new tentative agreement with management which addresses those issues.

“Our goal has always been to reach an agreement that will help solve many of the airline’s pilot attraction and retention issues, provide industry-standard wages and working conditions, and provide a better work/life balance for our pilots,” said Kenny. “Over the coming days, our WestJet Encore membership will begin voting on the new tentative agreement.”

[boeingboy]

WTF??

That was fast.......

[Flyboy736]

CALGARY, ALB.—Capt. Carin Kenny, chair of the WestJet Encore Master Executive Council, issued the following statement after WestJet Encore pilot leaders, represented by the Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l (ALPA), voted to approve a full tentative agreement with management. This agreement ends the possibility of a June 1 strike.

“After our pilots rejected the tentative agreement presented to them last month, citing the WestJet Group’s failure to address issues of central importance to the pilot group, we are very pleased to announce we have reached a new tentative agreement with management which addresses those issues.

“Our goal has always been to reach an agreement that will help solve many of the airline’s pilot attraction and retention issues, provide industry-standard wages and working conditions, and provide a better work/life balance for our pilots,” said Kenny. “Over the coming days, our WestJet Encore membership will begin voting on the new tentative agreement.”

Take note Air Canada pilots, it's almost like the first deal is never worth it!

[goingnowherefast]

Where/when can we see the 2nd TA?

[boeingboy]

CALGARY, ALB.—Capt. Carin Kenny, chair of the WestJet Encore Master Executive Council, issued the following statement after WestJet Encore pilot leaders, represented by the Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l (ALPA), voted to approve a full tentative agreement with management. This agreement ends the possibility of a June 1 strike.

“After our pilots rejected the tentative agreement presented to them last month, citing the WestJet Group’s failure to address issues of central importance to the pilot group, we are very pleased to announce we have reached a new tentative agreement with management which addresses those issues.

“Our goal has always been to reach an agreement that will help solve many of the airline’s pilot attraction and retention issues, provide industry-standard wages and working conditions, and provide a better work/life balance for our pilots,” said Kenny. “Over the coming days, our WestJet Encore membership will begin voting on the new tentative agreement.”

Take note Air Canada pilots, it's almost like the first deal is never worth it!

I wouldn't get too excited. It happened so quick - it might not amount to much. I have no idea what the groups was looking for except that apparently the money end of it was enough for them.

If Westjet was willing to settle so quick they should have asked for more money too - but thats just me.

[RippleRock]

These "Westjet type" unions are sure "hair triggered" to settle at the 11th hour.

The idea of a strike must be absolutely terrifying.

Leaving more "stuff" on the table? LIKELY.

[Core]

Great strategy, roll a last minute off that barely budges, and trying to get a 50% pass. It'll probably work too.
Why not just hold out for everything you all want? Personally I'm tired of being our group being a whipped dog who gets scraps compared to everyone else. Fricking embarrassing. Easy way to fix it, just DON'T VOTE YES! Mind-blowing simple. I know when my turn comes around there is no yes vote unless we're where we were 30 years ago. Crazy concept eh?

[Tbayer2021]

Friend just sent me the revised TA. Nothing to write home about and more concessions for a few measly extra dollars.

[C-GGGQ]

Here it is. Bump in pay but not much else

[Tbayer2021]

You'll notice the payscales they show are for Jan 2028, 3.5 years away. Talk about sneaky.

[planenuts]

God I hate that WSP...

[digits_]

Here it is. Bump in pay but not much else

Where's the bump in pay? Isn't that just an extra year added to the previous table?

Pretty abysmal from an outsider's point of view. Not sure why they are presenting this?

Vote NO again, this is just silly.

[C-GGGQ]

Here it is. Bump in pay but not much else

Where's the bump in pay? Isn't that just an extra year added to the previous table?

Pretty abysmal from an outsider's point of view. Not sure why they are presenting this?

Vote NO again, this is just silly.

Didn’t notice till after I posted that it was for the 5th year of what was a 4 year contract. Vote no.

[Core]

This would be almost hilarious if it wasn't as serious as a heart attack.

Unreal.