Air Canada is Not WestJet

[Ash Ketchum]

Another visa I have been looking into is the E-2. It's an entrepreneur/investor visa requiring around 100K USD investment to buy or set up a business in the US. The spouse of the E-2 visa holder gets a non-immigrant work visa in the US. I think that non immigrant visas are a bit risky for pilots though especially at the airlines due to seniority.

[C-GGGQ]

From someone who is currently in this process. If the visa bulletin is current (it is currently in retrogression) and you are on a non-immigrant visa. As long as you are in the states for 90 consecutive days you can file for an “adjustment of status” to an immigration visa.

[Airbrake]

The WJ AME’s just held the line as best they could and they were forced to arbitration from the CIRB. I hope the best for the AC pilots, I hope the same result doesn’t occur for you with this precedent set. Arbitration sucks.

[theacolyte]

There is no precedence.

WJ AMEs are bargaining for their first collective agreement and the rules are different.

Try not to spread too much misinformation on things you don’t understand.

[TCAS II]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/ ... -1.7248086

[PostmasterGeneral]

The WJ AME’s just held the line as best they could and they were forced to arbitration from the CIRB. I hope the best for the AC pilots, I hope the same result doesn’t occur for you with this precedent set. Arbitration sucks.

What precedent? They're only going into arbitration because it's their first agreement with the company. Were it not for that, arbitration would be completely off the table.

[Canadaflyer46]

The WJ AME’s just held the line as best they could and they were forced to arbitration from the CIRB. I hope the best for the AC pilots, I hope the same result doesn’t occur for you with this precedent set. Arbitration sucks.

What precedent? They're only going into arbitration because it's their first agreement with the company. Were it not for that, arbitration would be completely off the table.

Precedent set that companies can negotiate in bad faith and waste time, then cry to the goverment to force a binding arbitration for any first contract. It's an absolute disgrace.

[theacolyte]

The WJ AME’s just held the line as best they could and they were forced to arbitration from the CIRB. I hope the best for the AC pilots, I hope the same result doesn’t occur for you with this precedent set. Arbitration sucks.

What precedent? They're only going into arbitration because it's their first agreement with the company. Were it not for that, arbitration would be completely off the table.

Precedent set that companies can negotiate in bad faith and waste time, then cry to the goverment to force a binding arbitration for any first contract. It's an absolute disgrace.

No, that's not what Airbrake meant. Read his post again. He's just busy trying to create some fear around AC's possible upcoming strike action like the WJ AME situation has some kind of relation. It doesn't.

[PostmasterGeneral]

The WJ AME’s just held the line as best they could and they were forced to arbitration from the CIRB. I hope the best for the AC pilots, I hope the same result doesn’t occur for you with this precedent set. Arbitration sucks.

What precedent? They're only going into arbitration because it's their first agreement with the company. Were it not for that, arbitration would be completely off the table.

Precedent set that companies can negotiate in bad faith and waste time, then cry to the goverment to force a binding arbitration for any first contract. It's an absolute disgrace.

This isn't anything new, it's been part of the Canada labour code for a long time.

[Daniel Cooper]

Don't let them scare you. It's their first contract so the rules are different for them.

[goingnowherefast]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/ ... -1.7248086

Comments section is an interesting read. Lots of pro-union comments. Appears this isn't going over well for the Liberals.

[‘Bob’]

The message was pretty clear to me. Air Canada the company is not WestJet the company.

What does that even mean?

I was trying to come up with a term to describe the last five pages of this thread and what I came up with is “cargo cult”.

You know.. the natives who see food coming from airplanes from the sky and so think if they mimic it that it will be the same?

“We fly worldwide so we should get more money!”

“We have wide body jets so we should get more money!”

“We aren’t an ULCC so we should get more money!”

You want to he just like an American legacy carrier? How about Eastern, TWA, or Pan Am? lol!

Go look at Southwest Airlines…. Lots of wide body international flying there. Hahaha.

[RippleRock]

The message was pretty clear to me. Air Canada the company is not WestJet the company.

What does that even mean?

I was trying to come up with a term to describe the last five pages of this thread and what I came up with is “cargo cult”.

You know.. the natives who see food coming from airplanes from the sky and so think if they mimic it that it will be the same?

“We fly worldwide so we should get more money!”

“We have wide body jets so we should get more money!”

“We aren’t an ULCC so we should get more money!”

You want to he just like an American legacy carrier? How about Eastern, TWA, or Pan Am? lol!

Go look at Southwest Airlines…. Lots of wide body international flying there. Hahaha.

How about......."Beat it BOB".

No one owes you an explanation.

[digits_]

Let's hope Air Canada's union acts like WestJet's though

[rookiepilot]

Let's hope Air Canada's union acts like WestJet's though

Pilots are an easier target for back to work than AME’s. Doesn’t look as bad to middle class voters.

[Daniel Cooper]

Pilots are an easier target for back to work than AME’s. Doesn’t look as bad to middle class voters.

No we aren't. Stop trying to scare people.

[rookiepilot]

Pilots are an easier target for back to work than AME’s. Doesn’t look as bad to middle class voters.

No we aren't. Stop trying to scare people.

Not my intention, but I wouldn’t trust the liberals to have your back either.

[Dias]

I wouldn’t trust the liberals to have your back either.

You sound afraid we're going to get a good contract.

[rookiepilot]

I wouldn’t trust the liberals to have your back either.

You sound afraid we're going to get a good contract.

Literally the entire universe is against you.

Chill. And read my comments to the AME’s

[Dias]

Yes, thank you. We've already received a lot of predictions from the I Hope I'm Wrong Buts.

[R.osma]

Be wary of the psychological warfare, big companies tend to be shady when it comes to wealth distribution, I do really hope AC pilots get what they want because we only need one group out of the mud pool and the rest will naturally follow

[cjp]

Reading a report the other day regarding declining profits at the U.S majors.

My first thought, the bias I guess, as I was reading was that AA, DAL, and UAL were going to pin it on the new pilot contracts.

Surprised to say, out of the 6 things they listed, pilot nor crew contracts factored into their reasoning for lower than expected profits for 2024.

Now we're talking about nearly 8 billion dollar contracts that were just negotiated at each of the majors, and not one of those corporations said pilots were a factor.

If that is the case, it's all smoke and mirrors that Air Canada can't do the same. I'm sure with its industry leading C suite compensation, they can come to terms with an industry leading pilot package, with room for their regional operators to flex the budget as well.

Time will tell.

[hithere]

This from American in ch-aviation news:

“We've paused new pilot hire class dates for the remainder of the year as part of the ongoing evaluation of our commercial and talent needs," American Airlines told the impacted pilots. "We expect to make decisions about pilot class dates for the first quarter of 2025 later this year and will provide you with an update as soon as possible."

American Airlines employs over 15,000 pilots and was actively hiring until relatively recently to overcome post-pandemic pilot shortages. However, higher labour costs, inflation, and aircraft delivery delays are reportedly impacting the operations and bottom lines of American and other US carriers.”


In Canada we are generally 1-2 years behind what happens in the USA. I think the AC pilots will have their new deal long before any slowdown from south of the border takes effect here

[jpilot77]

This from American in ch-aviation news:

“We've paused new pilot hire class dates for the remainder of the year as part of the ongoing evaluation of our commercial and talent needs," American Airlines told the impacted pilots. "We expect to make decisions about pilot class dates for the first quarter of 2025 later this year and will provide you with an update as soon as possible."

American Airlines employs over 15,000 pilots and was actively hiring until relatively recently to overcome post-pandemic pilot shortages. However, higher labour costs, inflation, and aircraft delivery delays are reportedly impacting the operations and bottom lines of American and other US carriers.”


In Canada we are generally 1-2 years behind what happens in the USA. I think the AC pilots will have their new deal long before any slowdown from south of the border takes effect here

From what I’ve been hearing from a buddy at AA it’s more an aircraft availability issue more than a slowdown. Narrow body delivery delays from both Boeing and Airbus are the reason for the new hire pause.

[Dias]

After witnessing WestJet implode this weekend with no return to normal in sight I would be putting together an offer to AC pilots to prevent the same. They won't though because their egos will tell them they're different and they can outsmart the union when those silly WestJet execs couldn't.