It is imminent.......be ready.

[goingnowherefast]

I'm not an AC pilot, but fully appreciate what's going on. What can I do to support?

What can any non-AC pilot do in support?

For one if you work for Jazz do NOT do any voluntary overtime, especially if it’s a mainline route like YYZ-YWG. Not that Jazz has any extra capacity these days.

Don't work at Jazz either. I'm not involved in the AC system, but still definitely want to support AC pilots.

[daedalusx]

Apply to AC. Go through the whole process, get an offer and then decline because the pay is a disgrace.

[goingnowherefast]

"Whaddya mean starting pay isn't 215 grand? That's what the ad on your website said."

[theacolyte]

I get it 100%. But literal translations of comments made by clearly frustrated individuals is just silly. Management makes "similar dramatic comments" that no one takes too seriously.

No, I don't think its literal. However I am not HR of a multi billion dollar company that takes their public image very seriously. If I was and one of my employees, especially a pilot, was saying things like blueontop then I probably wouldn't care what the intent was.

BTW "hanging" is a reference to a infamous quote from a former executive who was using it as a metaphor.

This whole narrative that AC cares so much about their image has to be a running joke at this point. Because nothing they actually do when it comes to running the airline seems to imply that.

[khedrei]

I get it 100%. But literal translations of comments made by clearly frustrated individuals is just silly. Management makes "similar dramatic comments" that no one takes too seriously.

No, I don't think its literal. However I am not HR of a multi billion dollar company that takes their public image very seriously. If I was and one of my employees, especially a pilot, was saying things like blueontop then I probably wouldn't care what the intent was.

BTW "hanging" is a reference to a infamous quote from a former executive who was using it as a metaphor.

This whole narrative that AC cares so much about their image has to be a running joke at this point. Because nothing they actually do when it comes to running the airline seems to imply that.

Ac cares about one thing, and one thing only. Profit.

[RippleRock]

You seriously think AC is capable of “tracking down” VPN’s just to “hang” a poster from THIS site? Holy moly


Seriously… I almost spit my drink out when I read your first post! Does AC even know what a VPN is?

- AC management firing up the commodore 64 and Netscape to begin a shake down of AvCanada posts HAHA

[/quote]
Many years ago, on another forum, there was discussion among some maintenance workers that was disparaging to the company, and tinged with rhetoric promoting job action, considered illegal job action at the time. The company had their lawyers go after the site administrators for IP addresses etc, and some employees were overtly threatened not only with termination, but forfeit of pension etc. Your kidding yourself if you don't think they take it extremely seriously, especially in the public domain.
[/quote]





That's exactly what it was "a threat". No one was fired, and no one lost their pension. The threat was hollow at best. I can't imagine ALPA standing by while active Members were terminated. It would be complete chaos.

I never have and never would advocate illegal job action, no one should. It would be stupid, and pilots are not known for being excessively dumb. Getting heated is fine, but it must be kept relatively civil with no overt calls for job action outside the obligations of the contract.

There is a time and place for job action, and I garantee you it will come at a heavy cost to the other side if we are provoked. But it WILL be 100% legal.

Right now, VO is LEGAL, and covered under the contract. However, it is "voluntary". There is no obligation to do voluntary work. I can't imagine anyone being in the mood right now for "going the extra mile", especially this close to "zero hour"......but that's just me. Is what it is though, as you will always have those who either don't see the bigger picture, or choose not to see it for personal gain.

[Man_in_the_sky]

You seriously think AC is capable of “tracking down” VPN’s just to “hang” a poster from THIS site? Holy moly


Seriously… I almost spit my drink out when I read your first post! Does AC even know what a VPN is?

- AC management firing up the commodore 64 and Netscape to begin a shake down of AvCanada posts HAHA

Many years ago, on another forum, there was discussion among some maintenance workers that was disparaging to the company, and tinged with rhetoric promoting job action, considered illegal job action at the time. The company had their lawyers go after the site administrators for IP addresses etc, and some employees were overtly threatened not only with termination, but forfeit of pension etc. Your kidding yourself if you don't think they take it extremely seriously, especially in the public domain.
[/quote]





That's exactly what it was "a threat". No one was fired, and no one lost their pension. The threat was hollow at best. I can't imagine ALPA standing by while active Members were terminated. It would be complete chaos.

I never have and never would advocate illegal job action, no one should. It would be stupid, and pilots are not known for being excessively dumb. Getting heated is fine, but it must be kept relatively civil with no overt calls for job action outside the obligations of the contract.

There is a time and place for job action, and I garantee you it will come at a heavy cost to the other side if we are provoked. But it WILL be 100% legal.

Right now, VO is LEGAL, and covered under the contract. However, it is "voluntary". There is no obligation to do voluntary work. I can't imagine anyone being in the mood right now for "going the extra mile", especially this close to "zero hour"......but that's just me. Is what it is though, as you will always have those who either don't see the bigger picture, or choose not to see it for personal gain.
[/quote]


We get it, keep picking up VO while the majority is united! Oh and don’t forget your AC lanyard

[digits_]

This needs to be addressed. You are using a "direct threat" to intimidate free thought and speech.

No one here is disparaging our employer.

I have threatened anyone. I'm pointing out what will happen when free speech steps over the line.

Free speech is not absolute.

The quote below is more than just "disparaging". It is somewhat unhinged and reads as if it was directed at the employer.

I’ll burn this place to the ground if required.

Scorched earth MFer

Free speech is completely irrelevant. It protects you from prosecution from the government, nothing else. So no need to bring that up.

Were you planning on literally hanging pilots for negative comments on AC? Or would it be as literal as blueontop's scorched earth comment?

[RippleRock]

You seriously think AC is capable of “tracking down” VPN’s just to “hang” a poster from THIS site? Holy moly


Seriously… I almost spit my drink out when I read your first post! Does AC even know what a VPN is?

- AC management firing up the commodore 64 and Netscape to begin a shake down of AvCanada posts HAHA

Many years ago, on another forum, there was discussion among some maintenance workers that was disparaging to the company, and tinged with rhetoric promoting job action, considered illegal job action at the time. The company had their lawyers go after the site administrators for IP addresses etc, and some employees were overtly threatened not only with termination, but forfeit of pension etc. Your kidding yourself if you don't think they take it extremely seriously, especially in the public domain.

That's exactly what it was "a threat". No one was fired, and no one lost their pension. The threat was hollow at best. I can't imagine ALPA standing by while active Members were terminated. It would be complete chaos.

I never have and never would advocate illegal job action, no one should. It would be stupid, and pilots are not known for being excessively dumb. Getting heated is fine, but it must be kept relatively civil with no overt calls for job action outside the obligations of the contract.

There is a time and place for job action, and I garantee you it will come at a heavy cost to the other side if we are provoked. But it WILL be 100% legal.

Right now, VO is LEGAL, and covered under the contract. However, it is "voluntary". There is no obligation to do voluntary work. I can't imagine anyone being in the mood right now for "going the extra mile", especially this close to "zero hour"......but that's just me. Is what it is though, as you will always have those who either don't see the bigger picture, or choose not to see it for personal gain.
[/quote]


We get it, keep picking up VO while the majority is united! Oh and don’t forget your AC lanyard
[/quote]




I'm sure as f#@% NOT doing "anything extra", but we can not persecute those who do. That "could" be considered harassment. Which will end in disciplinary action.

People not following the direct guidance of the MEC at this point, whether it be overt or subtle are a 100% lost cause. The rest of us will be picking up their slack.

[cjp]

I'll leave this here gents.

wtf.

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Pretty sure AC career earnings are significantly less than Allegiant...a US ULCC...

[DanWEC]

Nope, not even close. Millions less, though the executives make the same.

I posted this chart in seperate thread that shows the % increase required to match United, unconverted. Don't even think about applying the USD exchange rate to it as well, you'll want to lay in bed and cry- even more than normal.

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[Slugger]

I'll leave this here gents.

Screenshot_20240801_140133_LinkedIn.jpg

Pretty sure AC career earnings are significantly less than Allegiant...a US ULCC...

Not trying to play Devil's Advocate here, but without posting Canadian numbers, can you see the disparity? Canada DOESN'T have 88,000 pilots in total. How many carrier's, minus cargo are in this chart? The pilot's AC has in total doesn't equal what American has on their DFW base ALONE. Totally different dynamic here folks. The US economy is doing better that Canada. Here we are rapidly becoming a Commie 3rd World dictatorship thanks to Baby Blackface Feminine Fidel. Don't think for a minute that they are not going to get involved the second AC either calls strike or company locks us out. As dysfunctional as they are, they have broken every law in the criminal code during their time in office. Another one to legislate AC pilots back to work and declaring them an essential service I'm sure has already been signed on TruDashian's desk, next to his coloring books.

Do I want more money, absolutely! Do I want better quality of life. Absolutely. In my opinion, it's either going to be one or the other. Ask for the Moon. Don't ask, don't get. Prepare to be given a reality check as to what may come down the pipe.

You think the traveling public give's a rats ass about us? Nope. To them, we are all glorified "Bus" drivers that get them from A to B. There is no glamour in this job like there use to be. If we want the public to understand our position, maybe let's show them how much we have lost since bankruptcy for those of you who were here and remember it. Educate them if you want them in our corner. Do compare us to WJ on YouTube. We are not WJ. No disrespect to WJ pilots. I know a # of them. Educate the public as to what we have to go through with regards to getting them from A to B. I bet 95% have 0 clue what it take to do the job we do to keep everyone safe. That's how you get them in our corner and help get us the contract we need.

Just my opinion on how I see things. I await the bullets and arrows.

[cdnavater]

I'll leave this here gents.

Screenshot_20240801_140133_LinkedIn.jpg

Pretty sure AC career earnings are significantly less than Allegiant...a US ULCC...

Not trying to play Devil's Advocate here, but without posting Canadian numbers, can you see the disparity? Canada DOESN'T have 88,000 pilots in total. How many carrier's, minus cargo are in this chart? The pilot's AC has in total doesn't equal what American has on their DFW base ALONE. Totally different dynamic here folks. The US economy is doing better that Canada. Here we are rapidly becoming a Commie 3rd World dictatorship thanks to Baby Blackface Feminine Fidel. Don't think for a minute that they are not going to get involved the second AC either calls strike or company locks us out. As dysfunctional as they are, they have broken every law in the criminal code during their time in office. Another one to legislate AC pilots back to work and declaring them an essential service I'm sure has already been signed on TruDashian's desk, next to his coloring books.

Do I want more money, absolutely! Do I want better quality of life. Absolutely. In my opinion, it's either going to be one or the other. Ask for the Moon. Don't ask, don't get. Prepare to be given a reality check as to what may come down the pipe.

You think the traveling public give's a rats ass about us? Nope. To them, we are all glorified "Bus" drivers that get them from A to B. There is no glamour in this job like there use to be. If we want the public to understand our position, maybe let's show them how much we have lost since bankruptcy for those of you who were here and remember it. Educate them if you want them in our corner. Do compare us to WJ on YouTube. We are not WJ. No disrespect to WJ pilots. I know a # of them. Educate the public as to what we have to go through with regards to getting them from A to B. I bet 95% have 0 clue what it take to do the job we do to keep everyone safe. That's how you get them in our corner and help get us the contract we need.

Just my opinion on how I see things. I await the bullets and arrows.

Trudeau does NOT have a majority government, he has an agreement with the NDP to prop them up.
The conservatives are currently attacking Jagmeet as a silver spoon who is out of touch with the blue collar working class that is their base, I seriously doubt they would support any back to work legislation, it would be political suicide, next, there is zero chance the conservatives help turdo out with anything.
I don’t believe it is one or the other, I believe you will achieve a lot on both items! Giver boys and girls!

[Dias]

Not trying to play Devil's Advocate here, but

I hope I'm wrong, but

[rookiepilot]

I'll leave this here gents.

Screenshot_20240801_140133_LinkedIn.jpg

Pretty sure AC career earnings are significantly less than Allegiant...a US ULCC...

Not trying to play Devil's Advocate here, but without posting Canadian numbers, can you see the disparity? Canada DOESN'T have 88,000 pilots in total. How many carrier's, minus cargo are in this chart? The pilot's AC has in total doesn't equal what American has on their DFW base ALONE. Totally different dynamic here folks. The US economy is doing better that Canada. Here we are rapidly becoming a Commie 3rd World dictatorship thanks to Baby Blackface Feminine Fidel. Don't think for a minute that they are not going to get involved the second AC either calls strike or company locks us out. As dysfunctional as they are, they have broken every law in the criminal code during their time in office. Another one to legislate AC pilots back to work and declaring them an essential service I'm sure has already been signed on TruDashian's desk, next to his coloring books.

Do I want more money, absolutely! Do I want better quality of life. Absolutely. In my opinion, it's either going to be one or the other. Ask for the Moon. Don't ask, don't get. Prepare to be given a reality check as to what may come down the pipe.

You think the traveling public give's a rats ass about us? Nope. To them, we are all glorified "Bus" drivers that get them from A to B. There is no glamour in this job like there use to be. If we want the public to understand our position, maybe let's show them how much we have lost since bankruptcy for those of you who were here and remember it. Educate them if you want them in our corner. Do compare us to WJ on YouTube. We are not WJ. No disrespect to WJ pilots. I know a # of them. Educate the public as to what we have to go through with regards to getting them from A to B. I bet 95% have 0 clue what it take to do the job we do to keep everyone safe. That's how you get them in our corner and help get us the contract we need.

Just my opinion on how I see things. I await the bullets and arrows.

Devils advocate — and I support a better deal especially for young pilots starting out.

Why TF should the travelling public GAF about your working conditions, when captains hide in the cockpit and allow stuff like this flight from Morocco to be cancelled , all because of a few buffoons and an FA meltdown over it — 300 people are put out for 2 days.

Instead of taking leadership and fixing the problem.

Answer me and prove you actually care about your Pax, and maybe we’ll care about you for 2 seconds.

This sites posts show nothing but constant derision for your own customers.

—- A member of the travelling public. And a pilot, so skip the BS answers.

[Man_in_the_sky]

I'll leave this here gents.

Screenshot_20240801_140133_LinkedIn.jpg

Pretty sure AC career earnings are significantly less than Allegiant...a US ULCC...

Not trying to play Devil's Advocate here, but without posting Canadian numbers, can you see the disparity? Canada DOESN'T have 88,000 pilots in total. How many carrier's, minus cargo are in this chart? The pilot's AC has in total doesn't equal what American has on their DFW base ALONE. Totally different dynamic here folks. The US economy is doing better that Canada. Here we are rapidly becoming a Commie 3rd World dictatorship thanks to Baby Blackface Feminine Fidel. Don't think for a minute that they are not going to get involved the second AC either calls strike or company locks us out. As dysfunctional as they are, they have broken every law in the criminal code during their time in office. Another one to legislate AC pilots back to work and declaring them an essential service I'm sure has already been signed on TruDashian's desk, next to his coloring books.

Do I want more money, absolutely! Do I want better quality of life. Absolutely. In my opinion, it's either going to be one or the other. Ask for the Moon. Don't ask, don't get. Prepare to be given a reality check as to what may come down the pipe.

You think the traveling public give's a rats ass about us? Nope. To them, we are all glorified "Bus" drivers that get them from A to B. There is no glamour in this job like there use to be. If we want the public to understand our position, maybe let's show them how much we have lost since bankruptcy for those of you who were here and remember it. Educate them if you want them in our corner. Do compare us to WJ on YouTube. We are not WJ. No disrespect to WJ pilots. I know a # of them. Educate the public as to what we have to go through with regards to getting them from A to B. I bet 95% have 0 clue what it take to do the job we do to keep everyone safe. That's how you get them in our corner and help get us the contract we need.

Just my opinion on how I see things. I await the bullets and arrows.

Devils advocate — and I support a better deal especially for young pilots starting out.

Why TF should the travelling public GAF about your working conditions, when captains hide in the cockpit and allow stuff like this flight from Morocco to be cancelled , all because of a few buffoons and an FA meltdown over it — 300 people are put out for 2 days.

Instead of taking leadership and fixing the problem.

Answer me and prove you actually care about your Pax, and maybe we’ll care about you for 2 seconds.

This sites posts show nothing but constant derision for your own customers.

—- A member of the travelling public. And a pilot, so skip the BS answers.

She never told the captain before it
Was too late

[Man_in_the_sky]

Not trying to play Devil's Advocate here, but without posting Canadian numbers, can you see the disparity? Canada DOESN'T have 88,000 pilots in total. How many carrier's, minus cargo are in this chart? The pilot's AC has in total doesn't equal what American has on their DFW base ALONE. Totally different dynamic here folks. The US economy is doing better that Canada. Here we are rapidly becoming a Commie 3rd World dictatorship thanks to Baby Blackface Feminine Fidel. Don't think for a minute that they are not going to get involved the second AC either calls strike or company locks us out. As dysfunctional as they are, they have broken every law in the criminal code during their time in office. Another one to legislate AC pilots back to work and declaring them an essential service I'm sure has already been signed on TruDashian's desk, next to his coloring books.

Do I want more money, absolutely! Do I want better quality of life. Absolutely. In my opinion, it's either going to be one or the other. Ask for the Moon. Don't ask, don't get. Prepare to be given a reality check as to what may come down the pipe.

You think the traveling public give's a rats ass about us? Nope. To them, we are all glorified "Bus" drivers that get them from A to B. There is no glamour in this job like there use to be. If we want the public to understand our position, maybe let's show them how much we have lost since bankruptcy for those of you who were here and remember it. Educate them if you want them in our corner. Do compare us to WJ on YouTube. We are not WJ. No disrespect to WJ pilots. I know a # of them. Educate the public as to what we have to go through with regards to getting them from A to B. I bet 95% have 0 clue what it take to do the job we do to keep everyone safe. That's how you get them in our corner and help get us the contract we need.

Just my opinion on how I see things. I await the bullets and arrows.

Devils advocate — and I support a better deal especially for young pilots starting out.

Why TF should the travelling public GAF about your working conditions, when captains hide in the cockpit and allow stuff like this flight from Morocco to be cancelled , all because of a few buffoons and an FA meltdown over it — 300 people are put out for 2 days.

Instead of taking leadership and fixing the problem.

Answer me and prove you actually care about your Pax, and maybe we’ll care about you for 2 seconds.

This sites posts show nothing but constant derision for your own customers.

—- A member of the travelling public. And a pilot, so skip the BS answers.

She never told the captain before it
Was too late

And honestly, everyone’s a pilot on this anonymous forum , you can identify as everything you wish.

[cdnavater]

I'll leave this here gents.

Screenshot_20240801_140133_LinkedIn.jpg

Pretty sure AC career earnings are significantly less than Allegiant...a US ULCC...

Not trying to play Devil's Advocate here, but without posting Canadian numbers, can you see the disparity? Canada DOESN'T have 88,000 pilots in total. How many carrier's, minus cargo are in this chart? The pilot's AC has in total doesn't equal what American has on their DFW base ALONE. Totally different dynamic here folks. The US economy is doing better that Canada. Here we are rapidly becoming a Commie 3rd World dictatorship thanks to Baby Blackface Feminine Fidel. Don't think for a minute that they are not going to get involved the second AC either calls strike or company locks us out. As dysfunctional as they are, they have broken every law in the criminal code during their time in office. Another one to legislate AC pilots back to work and declaring them an essential service I'm sure has already been signed on TruDashian's desk, next to his coloring books.

Do I want more money, absolutely! Do I want better quality of life. Absolutely. In my opinion, it's either going to be one or the other. Ask for the Moon. Don't ask, don't get. Prepare to be given a reality check as to what may come down the pipe.

You think the traveling public give's a rats ass about us? Nope. To them, we are all glorified "Bus" drivers that get them from A to B. There is no glamour in this job like there use to be. If we want the public to understand our position, maybe let's show them how much we have lost since bankruptcy for those of you who were here and remember it. Educate them if you want them in our corner. Do compare us to WJ on YouTube. We are not WJ. No disrespect to WJ pilots. I know a # of them. Educate the public as to what we have to go through with regards to getting them from A to B. I bet 95% have 0 clue what it take to do the job we do to keep everyone safe. That's how you get them in our corner and help get us the contract we need.

Just my opinion on how I see things. I await the bullets and arrows.

Devils advocate — and I support a better deal especially for young pilots starting out.

Why TF should the travelling public GAF about your working conditions, when captains hide in the cockpit and allow stuff like this flight from Morocco to be cancelled , all because of a few buffoons and an FA meltdown over it — 300 people are put out for 2 days.

Instead of taking leadership and fixing the problem.

Answer me and prove you actually care about your Pax, and maybe we’ll care about you for 2 seconds.

This sites posts show nothing but constant derision for your own customers.

—- A member of the travelling public. And a pilot, so skip the BS answers.

Rookie, you are a private pilot and a member of the travelling public, you actually have no idea how things work in the airline world!
For example, when a passenger is unruly the FAs are trained to deal with these situations and the Captain coming out to “help” has been shown to make the situation worse.
When we are told about a passenger issue, it’s normally after it has escalated already, we review our procedures depending on the level of interference, could actually have us lock our door, cockpit security is no joke.
Why don’t you wait until the whole story is actually revealed until you continue to degrade airline pilots because one cut you off at customs years ago!

[rookiepilot]

Not trying to play Devil's Advocate here, but without posting Canadian numbers, can you see the disparity? Canada DOESN'T have 88,000 pilots in total. How many carrier's, minus cargo are in this chart? The pilot's AC has in total doesn't equal what American has on their DFW base ALONE. Totally different dynamic here folks. The US economy is doing better that Canada. Here we are rapidly becoming a Commie 3rd World dictatorship thanks to Baby Blackface Feminine Fidel. Don't think for a minute that they are not going to get involved the second AC either calls strike or company locks us out. As dysfunctional as they are, they have broken every law in the criminal code during their time in office. Another one to legislate AC pilots back to work and declaring them an essential service I'm sure has already been signed on TruDashian's desk, next to his coloring books.

Do I want more money, absolutely! Do I want better quality of life. Absolutely. In my opinion, it's either going to be one or the other. Ask for the Moon. Don't ask, don't get. Prepare to be given a reality check as to what may come down the pipe.

You think the traveling public give's a rats ass about us? Nope. To them, we are all glorified "Bus" drivers that get them from A to B. There is no glamour in this job like there use to be. If we want the public to understand our position, maybe let's show them how much we have lost since bankruptcy for those of you who were here and remember it. Educate them if you want them in our corner. Do compare us to WJ on YouTube. We are not WJ. No disrespect to WJ pilots. I know a # of them. Educate the public as to what we have to go through with regards to getting them from A to B. I bet 95% have 0 clue what it take to do the job we do to keep everyone safe. That's how you get them in our corner and help get us the contract we need.

Just my opinion on how I see things. I await the bullets and arrows.

Devils advocate — and I support a better deal especially for young pilots starting out.

Why TF should the travelling public GAF about your working conditions, when captains hide in the cockpit and allow stuff like this flight from Morocco to be cancelled , all because of a few buffoons and an FA meltdown over it — 300 people are put out for 2 days.

Instead of taking leadership and fixing the problem.

Answer me and prove you actually care about your Pax, and maybe we’ll care about you for 2 seconds.

This sites posts show nothing but constant derision for your own customers.

—- A member of the travelling public. And a pilot, so skip the BS answers.

Rookie, you are a private pilot and a member of the travelling public, you actually have no idea how things work in the airline world!
For example, when a passenger is unruly the FAs are trained to deal with these situations and the Captain coming out to “help” has been shown to make the situation worse.
When we are told about a passenger issue, it’s normally after it has escalated already, we review our procedures depending on the level of interference, could actually have us lock our door, cockpit security is no joke.
Why don’t you wait until the whole story is actually revealed until you continue to degrade airline pilots because one cut you off at customs years ago!

I’m not the one asking for the publics support. I am asking WTF should we care.

Frankly the public has enough of its own problems if you’re noticing what’s going on. I doubt you guys will be anyones priority for understanding

[cdnavater]

Devils advocate — and I support a better deal especially for young pilots starting out.

Why TF should the travelling public GAF about your working conditions, when captains hide in the cockpit and allow stuff like this flight from Morocco to be cancelled , all because of a few buffoons and an FA meltdown over it — 300 people are put out for 2 days.

Instead of taking leadership and fixing the problem.

Answer me and prove you actually care about your Pax, and maybe we’ll care about you for 2 seconds.

This sites posts show nothing but constant derision for your own customers.

—- A member of the travelling public. And a pilot, so skip the BS answers.

Rookie, you are a private pilot and a member of the travelling public, you actually have no idea how things work in the airline world!
For example, when a passenger is unruly the FAs are trained to deal with these situations and the Captain coming out to “help” has been shown to make the situation worse.
When we are told about a passenger issue, it’s normally after it has escalated already, we review our procedures depending on the level of interference, could actually have us lock our door, cockpit security is no joke.
Why don’t you wait until the whole story is actually revealed until you continue to degrade airline pilots because one cut you off at customs years ago!

I’m not the one asking for the publics support. I am asking WTF should we care.

Frankly the public has enough of its own problems if you’re noticing what’s going on.

The public won’t support the pilots anyway so who the @#$! cares, the part the public will play is the lack of future bookings based on uncertainty, that will send a message to the board, that is the needed support, so, do your part and book with another airline, look who I’m saying that too, you already do that, why should we care what you have to say!

[rookiepilot]

The public won’t support the pilots anyway so who the @#$! cares,

Well, thats a problem isn’t it. Why wouldn’t the NDP / Libtards legislate you back to work? Seems no political downside.

If you can’t convince me, who is sympathetic to starting pilot wages, how you all gonna convince the public to support you?

You guys missed your window IMO. The economic window. United pilots didn’t.

Sucks, for sure. Gonna be tougher

[Ash Ketchum]

I for one am completely fed up with aviation in Canada. If this contract doesn't bring us close to US pilots, I am quitting and changing careers. I have already started working on an exit plan...

[cdnavater]

The public won’t support the pilots anyway so who the @#$! cares,

Well, thats a problem isn’t it. Why wouldn’t the NDP / Libtards legislate you back to work? Seems no political downside.

If you can’t convince me, who is sympathetic to starting pilot wages, how you all gonna convince the public to support you?

You guys missed your window IMO. The economic window. United pilots didn’t.

Sucks, for sure. Gonna be tougher

Below is my post on the same page as this conversation, if you think the NDP who is falling in the polls is going to go against their base of supporters, well, what can I say
“Trudeau does NOT have a majority government, he has an agreement with the NDP to prop them up.
The conservatives are currently attacking Jagmeet as a silver spoon who is out of touch with the blue collar working class that is their base, I seriously doubt they would support any back to work legislation, it would be political suicide, next, there is zero chance the conservatives help turdo out with anything.
I don’t believe it is one or the other, I believe you will achieve a lot on both items! Giver boys and girls!”

[RippleRock]

I'll leave this here gents.

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Pretty sure AC career earnings are significantly less than Allegiant...a US ULCC...

Not trying to play Devil's Advocate here, but without posting Canadian numbers, can you see the disparity? Canada DOESN'T have 88,000 pilots in total. How many carrier's, minus cargo are in this chart? The pilot's AC has in total doesn't equal what American has on their DFW base ALONE. Totally different dynamic here folks. The US economy is doing better that Canada. Here we are rapidly becoming a Commie 3rd World dictatorship thanks to Baby Blackface Feminine Fidel. Don't think for a minute that they are not going to get involved the second AC either calls strike or company locks us out. As dysfunctional as they are, they have broken every law in the criminal code during their time in office. Another one to legislate AC pilots back to work and declaring them an essential service I'm sure has already been signed on TruDashian's desk, next to his coloring books.

Do I want more money, absolutely! Do I want better quality of life. Absolutely. In my opinion, it's either going to be one or the other. Ask for the Moon. Don't ask, don't get. Prepare to be given a reality check as to what may come down the pipe.

You think the traveling public give's a rats ass about us? Nope. To them, we are all glorified "Bus" drivers that get them from A to B. There is no glamour in this job like there use to be. If we want the public to understand our position, maybe let's show them how much we have lost since bankruptcy for those of you who were here and remember it. Educate them if you want them in our corner. Do compare us to WJ on YouTube. We are not WJ. No disrespect to WJ pilots. I know a # of them. Educate the public as to what we have to go through with regards to getting them from A to B. I bet 95% have 0 clue what it take to do the job we do to keep everyone safe. That's how you get them in our corner and help get us the contract we need.

Just my opinion on how I see things. I await the bullets and arrows.

Devils advocate — and I support a better deal especially for young pilots starting out.

Why TF should the travelling public GAF about your working conditions, when captains hide in the cockpit and allow stuff like this flight from Morocco to be cancelled , all because of a few buffoons and an FA meltdown over it — 300 people are put out for 2 days.

Instead of taking leadership and fixing the problem.

Answer me and prove you actually care about your Pax, and maybe we’ll care about you for 2 seconds.

This sites posts show nothing but constant derision for your own customers.

—- A member of the travelling public. And a pilot, so skip the BS answers.

Who the F$#% are you, and why are you posting on this thread???

You are NOT in the industry, as you clearly have NO CLUE how things really work on an airliner. You are not qualified to comment on the topic this thread is based on. You are a fool.

First of all, know what you are talking about before you comment. You just sound rather dumb. Second, show a bit of respect to the serious posters here, and learn some manners.


The adults are talking here. You are not invited, Rookie. Besides, your Mom is calling.

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The public won’t support the pilots anyway so who the @#$! cares,

Well, thats a problem isn’t it. Why wouldn’t the NDP / Libtards legislate you back to work? Seems no political downside.

If you can’t convince me, who is sympathetic to starting pilot wages, how you all gonna convince the public to support you?

You guys missed your window IMO. The economic window. United pilots didn’t.

Sucks, for sure. Gonna be tougher

Did the Government legislate the WestJet AMEs back to work? No. They gave them the green light to strike despite binding arbitration being enforced.
The public sure didn't support those mechanics either, but that sure didn't stop them. You don't need public support to get the contract you're demanding. You just need to press where it hurts.