Not an accident— this time.

[mmm...bacon]

It could be interesting for someone to go down to the aircraft and politely ask about it, stating that this has been brought up in a pilot forum. A lot of people like to talk about their flying, perhaps this person would like to as well.

Doesn't pdw live around the airport of origin? He could whip over and have a chat with the pilot about hypothermia and variable tailwinds.

Oh, jeez! If that were me, and I knew he was coming over, I’d stuff the nose down to get it over with!

[albertdesalvo]

How about you hop in your friend's 182 and head to the Azores with him/her for some sun & fun? Instead of continually stirring the pot here. After all, the risks are minimal, right?

Someone suggested (not "accused") you are arguing just for the sake of arguing, and I quite agree. I have no plans to debate you.

If I were a TC geek, I would be curious what motivates someone to bet his life (and the life of his passengers) on the reliability of his aircraft's mechanicals on a regular basis, and I would strongly suspect the motivation is financial. I would probably take a closer look.

But I'm not a TC geek.

[oldncold]

Well the airplane is registered to a numbered onrario company with a mailing address in toronto . At that address is a gymnastics company . so drop by take a gymnastics class n chat the staff . sounds legit. a biz person opens a branch in the big city . cost of livn there too high. Using a small airplane to commute that u can write of a good portion of the cost makes sense. . Or Its a front for a cartel. Take yur pick

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How about you hop in your friend's 182 and head to the Azores with him/her for some sun & fun? Instead of continually stirring the pot here. After all, the risks are minimal, right?

How is this relevant? There's a difference between finding risk acceptable for yourself and accepting that other people have a different tolerance for risk. That doesn't mean you should shame them or attempt to shut them down because their risk tolerance level doesn't match your own.

I have no plans to debate you.

Of course not. That would require some kind of evidence or arguments to make your point. It's much easier to accuse a third party that isn't aware their good name and reputation is being tarnished, isn't it?

If I were a TC geek, I would be curious what motivates someone to bet his life (and the life of his passengers) on the reliability of his aircraft's mechanicals on a regular basis, and I would strongly suspect the motivation is financial. I would probably take a closer look.

But I'm not a TC geek.

Excellent. Then don't, and leave the airplane owner be.

[albertdesalvo]

People think Lake Ontario is icy cold and will kill you in short order, and for the most part that is true.

That's why Enwave pumps water from the depths to cool high rise buildings in downtown Toronto. Took them years and many $$$ to build the system, and it works well. Their intake pipes go over the 35 foot shelf off YTZ down to 120 feet, where it never warms up.

But up on the surface it's not ALWAYS true.

When you get a sustained wind from the east over a couple of days, which is rare but it happens, you get huge ocean calibre swells. I've been out on days when they are so big, the CN Tower disappears when your boat drops into the troughs and all you see is a wall of water. These swells are not dangerous for boats; you're just bobbing like a cork, but I wouldn't want to try ditching an airplane in them.

An interesting side effect of this is that it pushes all the warm surface water into the western basin, where it builds up from top to bottom. I have seen surface temps above 70 degrees F.

The salmon fishermen love when this happens, as they can now fish the depths as well as the top layer, and after the swells die down you will see a lot of boats out there until it blows from the west again and spoils the party.

How do I know all this? We have an electronic device that drops a sending unit on a wire that communicates with a receiver on the boat. We can check the water temperature at depth in real time while underway at idle speed. Handy gadget!

Under these conditions, you could actually survive a few hours in a life jacket. But in October? Forget it! Even in 70F water it's still 30 degrees below body temp, and hypothermia will get you if you're in the drink long enough.

Now here's a little story some of you may find amusing:

One beautiful midsummer day, dead calm, we were toddling along maybe 10 miles out on the track we are discussing when we spotted a power boat in the distance that wasn't moving.

Naturally we set course for their position, in case they were in trouble. Nobody else was around.

As we edged closer, we saw people in bathing suits, men in board shorts and women in bikinis, diving off the boat and swimming around! It's not something you see every day out in the middle.

We could see there was a logo on the side of the boat, and we couldn't quite make it out with binoculars, so we continued on towards them, curious about who was having a swim party miles offshore.

Finally we got close enough to read the logo.

It said "POLICE" It was an MTP Marine Unit boat! True story.

[rookiepilot]

Wonder if this will go daily though December

Thinking of selling 50/50 squares with the date of the last cross lake flight this coming winter.

You’re a jackass. Please shut your cakehole.

Ok -- its a stupid post, and arguably stupid thread, even it is about risk management, which I think is rather appropriate to aviation. Let this pilot do whatever he wants,

However it is not necessary to selectively edit my posts to distort what I clearly said. No one on this site wants anyone to die.


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[rookiepilot]

From virtue signalling to betting on someones demise in 12 days.

The bet is for when this pilot finally decides the lake is too cold and perhaps these overwater low level flights are unwise at least until spring. Or summer. Or not at all.

You are so full a shit, if you didn’t want to imply “last” flight you wouldn’t have used and could have worded it differently, like when he decides to use the shore this winter!
How long did you sit there to figure out how you could write it with plausible deniability?

See above post. Applies to you.

[cdnavater]

The bet is for when this pilot finally decides the lake is too cold and perhaps these overwater low level flights are unwise at least until spring. Or summer. Or not at all.

You are so full a shit, if you didn’t want to imply “last” flight you wouldn’t have used and could have worded it differently, like when he decides to use the shore this winter!
How long did you sit there to figure out how you could write it with plausible deniability?

See above post. Applies to you.

Umm, nope! I directly quoted you, did not edit it in any way whatsoever!

[rookiepilot]

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[cdnavater]

See above post. Applies to you.

Umm, nope! I directly quoted you, did not edit it in any way whatsoever!

Ok.

So I corrected my poorly phrased post prior to yours. And you call me a liar and allude to me betting on someones death. Yeah thats better.


Then I have a question for you.

Do you honestly believe, considering I started this thread in the first place, and my obvious interest in safety here, that it’s amusing to me in any way to guess when this pilot might not make it across the lake one day in one piece? That death is remotely amusing to me?

If you’re answer is no, why make your stupid post in response?

If you answer yes, there is nothing more for us to talk about, cause your a wacko.

[rookiepilot]

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[cdnavater]

Thats what I thought.

Trolls always run like cowards when called out on their BS.

Hard to believe anyone gives you command of an aircraft.

Let us know when you actually author a thread instead of being a serial troll.

Nope, just didn’t feel like arguing, the actual chronological order of events was, I called you out and you went back and changed the wording of your “comment”, your recollection of what happened is just wrong!
Do you want someone to die, I doubt that, did you insinuate this, I believe it, so I called you out and then you backpedaled!
Do I care to continue this conversation, no!

[cdnavater]

The bet is for when this pilot finally decides the lake is too cold and perhaps these overwater low level flights are unwise at least until spring. Or summer. Or not at all.

You are so full a shit, if you didn’t want to imply “last” flight you wouldn’t have used and could have worded it differently, like when he decides to use the shore this winter!
How long did you sit there to figure out how you could write it with plausible deniability?

It’s unbelievably , mind blowingly, stupid PDM. Thats the point, yes?

Can’t believe whoever this is does this flight every day, multiple times a day, to save 10 minutes!

Never seen anything like it. You all are much braver than me I guess.

Just for the record

[cdnavater]

Do you want someone to die, I believe it, so I called you out and then you backpedaled!

See how this works? Cause thats what you did.

Stop being a troll.

Retract the edit, you have until end of day or I’ll report your post, I literally just posted the entire conversation, I did not change your words at all, not once!