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I can think of a couple of ways we are different from Americans.
The Americans don't care about DEBT, and they are all horrible abusers of debt.
In Canada, you often, read about ways Canadians try to reduce their debt, and this is reflected also in the discussions at the House of Commons. We are different from the Americans because we are more reserved in general. We don't act like were sooooo rich, by giving away cruises, and expensive gifts to everyone in the audience on our tv shows. :twisted:

As well, the thread "A hint if you're renewing your passport anytime soon" should go under this one. Making us get passports, when we already go through US customs at all the airports and border crossings. And don't we have the same official language for pete's sake! What do we need a passport for?
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Sheila:

I don't think your statement about debt isn't very accurate at all. Perhaps managing debt may be a better fit. However I'd like to see any citations that you have.

The US has a much higher GDP /captia ratio then that of Canada, roughly $10 G's (USD) difference. It's no wonder Wheel of Fortune is able to give away such prizes. Placing any justification on why the world hates the US on that is absurd.

LH hit a nail on the head when it comes to foreign travel. Some of you folks have no idea how well he hit it.

A few years ago before I joined the USMC, I had a choice in either joining the Canadian or American armed forces (I have sinced renouced my Canadian citizenship). Canada pays more, however my quality of life as a Marine is 10 fold. It was a no brainer.
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Don't you just hate it when Americans offer you a soda instead of a pop. I just cringe when they say the last letter of the alphabet as Zee instead of Zed. :shock:

I was just got back from a trip to the USA yesterday and as I was walking through the airport a young kid accompanied by his father said..."Look at that sign Dad" "No wonder they talk funny up here, look how they spell center" ...he then pointed to the sign that said City Centre
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One more thing....Try and get a Cæsar! The bar tenders look at you as if you had three eyes. As most Canucks are aware, anything else is a waste of vodka.
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altiplano wrote:Maybe it could also be shit like this? So pointless...

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f33d4_4607
That was sick. I wasn't laughing. Those poor animals. What a bunch of irresponsible pricks. Land of the brave eh?
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LH wrote:cyyz -----sorry sir, but you've been the victim of some more Canadian propaganda that used to be, but isn't anymore, sadly. That Canadian flag on the rucksack doesn't carry that weight that it used to one time.
If that's the case, why were "disguise yourself as a Canadian" kits for use overseas being sold to Americans by Americans a year or so ago?
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LH wrote:cyyz -----sorry sir, but you've been the victim of some more Canadian propaganda that used to be, but isn't anymore, sadly. That Canadian flag on the rucksack doesn't carry that weight that it used to one time.
If that's the case, why were "disguise yourself as a Canadian" kits for use overseas being sold to Americans by Americans a year or so ago?
Why? So they could make some money off the stupid ones. :roll:
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shitdisturber ------- I truly hope for your sake that you never get your ass thrown into a jail in a long list of foreign countries. IF and I mean IF, you ever get your ass out of that jail, it will be after a long time spent in it and your respect for the efforts of your Canadian government will have taken a real beating. So P-L-E-A-S-E take my advice if you get into ANY KIND of trouble in a Middle eastern, Far Eastern or Afican country..........run as fast as you can and get thy ass through the front gates of a British or American Embassy or Consul. Don't believe me perhaps or feel that it is at least a slight exaggeration..........then don't believe it and don't do it.
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http://www.ottawasun.com/News/Columnist ... 84960.html
By MICHAEL HARRIS




The coalition of the drilling can finally pop the champagne corks in Iraq.

Iraq's cabinet has just approved a draft oil law that hands the country's petro-riches to Big Oil on a bureaucratic platter.

No oil or gas contract will be signed in Iraq without the approval of a so-called Federal Oil and Gas Council. The unelected council will have oil experts from both within and outside the country calling the shots.

The BBC and the New York Times reported this event as a political "breakthrough" that would lead to each of Iraq's three main ethnic groups getting their fair share of oil revenues.

These news agencies also reported that the oil law, if passed by parliament, will lead to national unity in a country more famously known for its current civil war.

That is, of course, a load of self-interested bull.

Most of us will remember two assertions by the Bush administration about the invasion of Iraq: Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and the invasion had absolutely nothing to do with oil.

More people believe that the Earth is flat than now believe in Bush's false but convenient charge of Iraqi WMDs. But until now, the second claim remained arguable.

Here's how former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld dealt with the blood-for-oil criticism of anti-war activists just before the 2003 Iraq invasion: "There are certain things like that, myths, that are floating around. It has nothing to do with oil, literally nothing."

Just four years earlier, when he was still CEO at Haliburton, here's what soon-to-be vice-president Dick Cheney had to say on the subject of strategic oil supply: "By 2010 we will need a further 50 million barrels a day. The Middle East, with two-thirds of the oil and the lowest (production) cost, is still where the prize lies."

The U.S. gave puppet Iraqi politicians just three months to draft the country's new constitution, a ludicrous schedule given that the place was still under occupation and an insurgency was well on its way to civil war.

Iraq became the first country in the world to have the means of its oil development reduced to constitutional fiat. Oilfields would be developed according to "the most modern techniques of market principles and encouraging investment." In other words, Big Oil was in and the state-owned energy control of the past 33 years was out.

The draft oil law, the product of a three-member cabinet committee, says that only currently producing oilfields should be developed by the Iraq National Oil Company. That accounts for just 17 of Iraq's known 80 fields, leaving 64% of the country's known reserves in foreign hands.

If another 100 billion barrels are discovered, foreign companies will control 81% of the industry. With every new find, companies like ExxonMobil, Chevron and BP will tighten their grip on the country's black gold.

The choice of contract model under which foreign companies will operate is also telling. The new oil law would see development under so-called Production-Sharing Agreements (PSAs). These not only give private companies control of production and development, but the foreign companies involved do not come under the jurisdiction of Iraqi courts and do not have to account to a central Iraqi auditor.

Might that be why no oil-producing country in the Middle East, including Saudi Arabia, Iran or Kuwait would ever sign a PSA?

But then they are countries, not colonies.

Like Canadians the USA produces some of the biggest liars and then they defend those lies with subterfuge and military force on the world stage.
The only difference between us is they swing a bigger dick that Canada loves to suck.
I think the Jack Palace movie where Jack's character confronts the sheep farmer and tosses a gun at the poor sheppard's feet and orders him to pick it up. After much bulling the sheppard reluctantly does and Jack blows him away. Jack then turns to the crowd that had gathered and says "you all saw it, he had a gun". Jacks boss in the film then kicks the sheppard's wife and kids off the farm and takes it over. That would be much like the USA's foreign policy of late.
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You know it's probably useless to post this here, but it might be worth thinking that the USA is a huge huge country full of people from all over the world who hold a lot of very very different opinions. And that the country is run, inevitably, by a very very small group of elitists that have nothing to do with most of the people there. What's Ottawa, Ontario got to do with Grand Prairie, Alberta? What's Montreal got to do with Port Hardy BC??? I'm not sure you can judge a country by what you see on the news, by it's politicians, or even by it's tourists. Actually, I'm not sure you can judge a country at all.
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American abroad? Try traveling Canadian
Clothing kit sold as disguise for wary tourists


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http://www.cbc.ca/consumers/market/file ... mbers.html
By the numbers: Credit stats and facts
Broadcast: January 15 and 22, 2006

Number of credit cards (Visa and MasterCard) in circulation in Canada in 2003: 50.4 million, or more than two cards per Canadian adult.

Number of cards which carried a balance: 22.2 million

Number of credit cards (Visa and MasterCard) in circulation in Canada in 1983: 12.1 million, or less than one card per Canadian adult.

Amount Canadians owed on their Visa and MasterCards by the end of 2003: $49.8 billion

Percentage of Canadian Visa/MasterCard holders who haven’t paid their bill in three months or more in 2003: 0.8%

Net retail sales via Visa or MasterCard in 2003: $150.49 billion

Average Visa/MasterCard sale in 2003: $102.00

Average Visa/MasterCard sale in 1983: $49.88

Number of credit cards reported lost or stolen in 2003: 810,859

Number of credit cards reported lost or stolen in 1983: 275,754

Number of cards fraudulently used in 2003: 146,310

Number of credit cards reported lost or stolen in 1983: 19,200

Fraudulent sales written off in 2003: $183,600,000

Amount written off in 1983: $17,390,000

Number of merchants in Canada that accepted Visa/MasterCard as payment in 2003: 1,187,384

Number in 1983: 419,610

(Sources for above: Canadian Bankers Association
and Statistics Canada)

Annual interest on a Royal Bank Student Visa Classic: 17.90%

Interest rate on a HBC (Hudson’s Bay Company) retail card: 28.80%

Range in interest rates offered by bank-issued credit cards: 9.90% - 19.90%

Range in annual fees charged by bank-issued credit cards: $0 - $234

Range in interest rates offered by retailer-issued credit cards: 24.0% - 28.8%

Number of retailer-issued credit cards in circulation in Canada in 2003: 23.9 million

(Source for above: Financial Consumer Agency of Canada's
Fall 2003 Credit Cards and You Report and the
Canadian Bankers Association)

Year the first credit cards were introduced: 1950, with the launch of Diners Club in the USA. The Diners Club card was the first universal credit card -- one that could be used at a variety of stores and businesses. American Express followed in 1958.

(Sources for above: Didyouknow.cd,
howstuffworks.com and About.com)

Percent increase in average credit card debt among Americans older than 65 between 1992 and 2001: 89%

Percent increase among Americans between 65 and 69 during the same period: 217%

(Source for above: "Retiring in the Red," a study
published February 2004 by Demos,
a New York-based nonpartisan think tank)

Average Canadian household debt in 2004 through personal loans, lines of credit and mortgage debt: $69,450.00

Estimated household debt (mortgage and credit debt) owed by Canadians in 2003: $731 billion

Estimated household debt owed by Americans: $8.4 trillion

Estimated personal savings by Canadians: $9.39 billion

Estimated personal savings by Americans: $191 billion

Standard credit card interest rate (average): 18.9%

Canadian household-debt-to-income ratio in 2003 (household credit as a percentage of disposable income): 105.2%

Canadian household-debt-to-income ratio in 1983: 55%

Percent increase in private bankruptcies in Canada since 1966: 13.3%

Average Canadian student debt, among those who borrow and graduate from four-year programs: $22,700

Percentage increase in Canadian credit card debt between 1997 and 2001: 90%


pg2

Wayn and Teresa have been married for 15 years. They have two kids, a bungalow in the suburbs, and a mountain of debt.

That would cover a decent lifestyle -- but financing their debt is a problem.

Taking control

Wayn and Teresa recently consolidated their two house mortgages into one with a lower interest rate, but it’s not the first time they’ve done this. As they get older their mortgage should be getting a lot smaller, but it’s not.

pg3

Joanne and Travis live in a quirky old farmhouse in the country. He’s a musician. She works as an (often unemployed) assistant film director.

Joanne also takes care of the bills: “Travis works so hard, and it makes me feel bad when he comes home and hands everything over to me. I put it in the bank and then all of it has to go to paying off a debt that’s still not going anywhere. We just get by.”


pg4
Hannelore is a high school teacher with three children and one grandchild.

She dreams of retiring soon, but she can’t just yet. Mounting debt is holding Hannelore back.

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QUICK FACT
In 1984 we owed 60 cents on every dollar we made. Today we owe $1.08 on every dollar.

and those are pepople making 50k a year, imagine the avg pilot or the person working at tim hortons making 24k a year.. ROFL...

No, sorry, we don't know how to manage our debt either.... But then again, we don't have bono asking RBC to forget our debts for us either... All in all, Americans and Canadians are the same when it comes to spending, and debt.... They just have more poor people out of their 350 million populace...
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and conclusion

we are the same to our american counterparts in the eyes of the enemy....

They hate us because they're ignorant, sorry, it's not PC, but that's the way it goes....

We admit the crusades were a land/wealth grab and not a "faith mission" and our clergy(pope) has agreed and appologized...

Their clergy keeps ranting about kill the infidel for whatever reason, god said so... They're still living in the "dark" ages... and in 50, 000 years, maybe, they'll realise and come to the same conclusions the germans did at the end of WWII.

Just as an aside, the philipines, a once predominantly catholic area is now converting to muslim faith, why because the poor didn't get it any better converting to christianity maybe they will through muslimdom... And unfortunately, christianity states and is now preached by people who tell you to be kind to your fellow man, and muslims teach to go blow some shit up to achieve betterment... And these people are so simple minded that, they listen...

The west have had their epiphany and realised "woops" and are now correcting everything and accomodating(a little to much a subject for another day) everyone.

The Asians had their Zen moments...

and now we need the other folks to rise up against their church and tell them they're wrong and their ideas are fool hearted and that they need to re-evaluate the situation... Won't happen for a good imo 1000 years... So they'll continue hating us....

Whether we stay or go out of iraq, they will hate us, until someone stands up, and those who do, will be executed like we killed all those in our society who questioned our values and beliefs...


The only way the west can win is if it gives up it's PC bs, it's lets be nice to everyone attitude, nukes them and the problem will go away... But we send parents to jail who spank their kids. And look at our society, 9 yr old kids telling their parents to @#$! offf..... We've brought this upon ourselves, and we will lose against them. congrats..

we'll all be dead when all this transpires, this is a war/holocaust that will continue to brew for another good millennia and we'll have reached a new age when it ends, a new age of enlightment or a new "dark period," who knows, and who cares, unless you believe in re-incarnation in which case, good luck.

Cheers...
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Haliburton? Why do I hear and read nothing about any oil concertiums except Haliburton? Haliburton doesn't rule the Middle East. Seems like people have been listening and watching too much CNN anything-for-a-byline B.S.

Before anyone goes off half-cocked about all this power that Haliburton and old Dick Cheney's one time co-workers wield in the Middle East, I'd like to know who killed Rue De Lyonnaise and Russian State Oil? Haliburton screws around with Rue De Lyonnaise and they'll find out where the true power is in the oil world. Haliburton's nose is way out of joint now because Dutch Shell has all the exploration tied-up in Iran. Nobody heard of that eh? The Iranians don't have the trained people or the expertise to get "Dick Shit" up out of the ground, let alone refine it. They hire foreigners and foreign companies to do it or it doesn't happen.....period. Haliburton is not a contender there for any contracts whatsoever, although they'd gladly take Royal Dutch Shell's place anytime.

Haliburton does indeed cast a large shadow in the world of oil, BUT they ain't the only boys who cast large shadows in that world. Lastly, if it wasn't for Canadian expertise and input in a whole host of areas they'd be one hurtin' corporation. They know the Canadian names "Safety Boss" of Red Deer, AB and the initials "CHC" extremely well. Terminate the contracts of these two Canadian firms and you'd hear Haliburton screaming 100 miles away. Why?.......because they are the BEST in the world at what they do and have been for over a decade.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6543377.stm
Their sure doing a bang up job in Iraq. Civil War Accomplished.

Iraqis face 'immense' suffering

The current security situation is disastrous, the Red Cross says
The International Committee of the Red Cross says the situation for ordinary Iraqis is getting steadily worse.
Four years after the US-led invasion, the ICRC says the conflict is inflicting immense suffering, and calls for greater protection of civilians.

An Iraqi woman quoted in the report said people wanted help to collect bodies lining streets every morning.

The ICRC still has a presence in Iraq despite the bombing of its Baghdad offices three and a half years ago.

In the report called Civilians Without protection - The Ever-worsening Crisis in Iraq, the Red Cross asked Iraqis what could be done to help them.

The answer was a shock, says ICRC director of operations Pierre Kraehenbuehl.

I saw a four-year-old boy sitting beside his mother's body, which had been decapitated by the explosion. He was talking to her, asking her what had happened

Saad
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Red Cross report in full (960K)
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In depth: Life in Iraq

"The suffering that Iraqi men, women and children are enduring today is unbearable and unacceptable," he said.

"The ICRC calls on all those who can influence the situation on the ground to act now to ensure that the lives of ordinary people are spared and protected. This is an obligation under international humanitarian law for both states and non-state actors."

The famously neutral International Red Cross will not blame anyone in particular for what it calls the current disastrous security situation, says the BBC's Imogen Foulkes in Geneva.

The report makes it clear that nobody - including the Iraqi government and coalition forces - has done enough so far, our correspondent adds.

'Simply unbearable'

Red Cross workers asked Iraqi women about their lives.

"If there's anything that anybody could do that would really help us today would be to help us collect the bodies that line the streets in front of our homes every morning and that we find nobody dares to touch or remove after security reasons," one woman said.

Women found it "simply unbearable" to confront their children with them morning after morning as they tried to take them to school, the woman added.

The Red Cross says every aspect of life in Iraq is getting worse - a trip to the market has become a matter of life and death.


Car bombs: An everyday reality now

"Once I was called to an explosion site," Saad, a humanitarian worker, is quoted as saying in the report.

"There I saw a four-year-old boy sitting beside his mother's body, which had been decapitated by the explosion. He was talking to her, asking her what had happened. He had been taken out shopping by his mum."

The report also highlights the following problems:


Iraq's healthcare facilities face critical shortages of staff and supplies. Many doctors, nurses and patients no longer dare to go to hospitals and clinics because they are targeted or threatened

much of Iraq's vital water, sewage and electricity infrastructure is in a critical condition food shortages have been reported in some areas and malnutrition is said to have increased
In a report also released on Wednesday, the charity Oxfam said the UK's ability to be a force for good in the world had been seriously damaged by the invasion of Iraq and other foreign policy decisions.

And a report by the Oxford Research Group think tank said UK and US policy towards Iraq had "spawned new terror in the region".
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I guess the US was right, Iraq is much better off now than it was a few years back under the rule of the HUssein guy.
Some countries need the rule of a dictator to maintain order. How often did you hear or see civil unrest like this?
Hussein the dictator, the murderer and all.
Under his rule there was free schooling for all, free health care,
where in the great states do you see this?
The literacy rate is higher in Iraq, well not now since so many have been killed and more soldiers arrive each day. The IQ drops proportionally.
People are suffering day after day, and there is nothing being done about it. Now with the oil being controlled, all the useless fucking workers can go overseas and make their millions stealing oil for blood.
Who is the real murderer???
Why are americans hated so much?
1. they have no regard for human life unless it is thier own.
2. forcing thier views on another country, as democracy
3. the us, israel, and brits should be the lonly ones with the common sense and good values to have nukes. (i'll find the quote for you soon enough, i threw up a little when i read it)
4. they are arrogant, self centred, riteous, ignorant, can do no wrong.
5. Lie, as long as we get our way, no problem.
6. They were fucking dumb enough to elect that piece of shit not once, but twice.
7. thier beer sucks.
i can keep going if you like.
as said before, there are a lot of good ppl in the states, but a country is judged by their actions, whether sanctioned by the public or not....

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the news for the next year will go on about 32 americans killed at school. How many equally innocent civilans are killed in Iraq each month? Why do they only care about their own, and not the damage they inflict on others? Why isn't the news plastered with the suffering they've caused? Why are there so few reports on the new oil bill being fired through iraqi government which will give massive control to american backed big oil?..
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6. They were fucking dumb enough to elect that piece of shit not once, but twice.
That's nothing, we elected Gene the Cretin three times. :D
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endless wrote:the news for the next year will go on about 32 americans killed at school. How many equally innocent civilans are killed in Iraq each month? Why do they only care about their own, and not the damage they inflict on others? Why isn't the news plastered with the suffering they've caused? Why are there so few reports on the new oil bill being fired through iraqi government which will give massive control to american backed big oil?..
2 days ago in 1 bomb in a market, over 150 iraqi civilians died. We hear of these on a daily basis, just for a mere 30 seconds. The value of human life should be the same across the globe, however it's not.

Long live the war of terror, I mean the war on terror.
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Bob, Tony et al...

Why don't you take a stroll over to Iraq and see for yourself.

It would at least save me the time and effort it takes to respond to you about whats going on.
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The insurgency in Iraq is "in the last throes," Vice President Dick Cheney May 2005
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Nark wrote:Bob, Tony et al...

Why don't you take a stroll over to Iraq and see for yourself.

It would at least save me the time and effort it takes to respond to you about whats going on.
I've been in the Middle East and saw first hand what goes on there. I've lived and worked there.

When 27 years ago I was living there, did you know where the middle east was on a map?

You don't need to respond if you don't want to. You claim to be fighting in a war, yet you're online most of the time here on a Canadian aviation forum.
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27 years ago, I wasn't alive.

I guess people can only access the internet inside North America.

It's been 5 months since I've been on deployment and, while in garrison, I share my time between Avcanada and Facebook.
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Nark wrote:27 years ago, I wasn't alive.
That explains soooo much...
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