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Global Warming - A Fraud

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GLOBAL WARMING is BULLSHIT and completely untrue. It is a goregous theory which is completely ruined by a mean and nasty fact.

I have to agree with THE PROFESSOR's earlier post. It is scary how gullable society is. We tend to automaticly believe everything the News/Media throw at us.

And because the general public gets so easily suaded to believing in such nonsense like Global Warming, we hold our politicians hostage to do something (Leaving Harper and the likes with little choice but to waist all of our tax dollars on these retarded Fear Mongering theories, in order to get re-elected; but knowing it wont do a goddamn thing).

The problem begins with the Media. CBC news, Montreal Gazette, whatever..... they need ratings!!! They need to sell papers - hence... no news is ever Good news. Having stories like our earth being in devistation is what gets people watching the news. This is where the problem begins.

Universities.... - where the @#$! would they be unless they recieved grants and bursuries to keep them having jobs. Scientists are often funded by universities. No University or institution is going to be happy with a student or a scientist.... who goes all the way to the Arctic - on their dime (a couple million)... and then return saying "HEY....!!! THE WORLD IS IN GREAT SHAPE!!! NO GLOBAL WARMING HERE!!!"... and then not get published (which is the main goal for every University ). So what happens??? Researchers seeking these uiversity grants... go out and give their "scientific" interpretations of it all... which is bullshit. Ever been in a science class... didnt get the result you were supposed to??? So what did you do?... You played around with the numbers, handed in your paper... and got an A. This is whats happening in the scientific community.

Fact is... is that MOST reports (which dont get much attention cause they dont sell newspapers) claim that our Earth is in a cooling process. the Polar Caps are actually GROWING. if you can believe!!

Acording to the news when I was 10... Ireland was supposed to be subbmerged underwater 20 years later (whcih is Now!!!). Last I've seen, Ireland is in pretty good shape!!! News is Bullshit. Scientists are bullshit!. The MEDIA CONTROLS society!!!! PLEASE TRY TO UNDERSTAND THEIR AGENDA'S!!!!

The media would probably like you to belive that crime is on the rise. You would probably automaticly agree with this statement after endless news reports about crime and who got murdered. Alarm systems going up. Kidnapings! Black guys running away from COPS all the time in LA. Truth of the matter is... our society has not been more safe since in the last 40 years almost. Crime has gone down as a whole by 50% since the 70's in Canada and the USA. iMAGINE THAT!!!!!!! yet... the media would have you belive that it is actually the opposite.

MEDIA IS BULLSHIT. SO IS GLOBAL WARMING. PLEASE DONT ENCOURAGE OUR POLITICINS TO WAIST OUR FUCKN TAX DOLLARS ON SUCH BULLSHIT... when instead they can be using it to bring down taxes, improve our medicaire system etc...

P.S. - I fly the Otters for Air Labrador and fuckn Love it. Flyinig over such beautiful and endless landscapes of mountains and trees... makes me think... MAN IS OUR COUNTRY EVER GODDAMN BIG!!!
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Psst, we never went to the moon either. It's just NASA looking for more money with the media's help.
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Re: Global Warming - A Fraud

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synthpro wrote:GLOBAL WARMING is BULLSHIT and completely untrue. It is a phenominal and goregous theory which is completely ruined by a mean and nasty fact.

I have to agree with THE PROFESSOR's earlier post. It is scary how gullable society is. We tend to automaticly believe everything the News/Media throw at us.

And because the general public gets so easily suaded to believing in such nonsense like Global Warming, we hold our politicians hostage to do something (Leaving Harper and the likes with little choice but to waist all of our tax dollars on these retarded Fear Mongering theories, in order to get re-elected; but knowing it wont do a goddamn thing).

The problem begins with the Media. CBC news, Montreal Gazette, whatever..... they need ratings!!! They need to sell papers - hence... no news is ever Good news. Having stories like our earth being in devistation is what gets people watching the news. This is where the problem begins.

Universities.... - where the @#$! would they be unless they recieved grants and bursuries to keep them having jobs. Scientists are often funded by universities. No University or institution is going to be happy with a student or a scientist.... who goes all the way to the Arctic - on their dime (a couple million)... and then return saying "HEY....!!! THE WORLD IS IN GREAT SHAPE!!! NO GLOBAL WARMING HERE!!!"... and then not get published (which is the main goal for every University ). So what happens??? Researchers seeking these uiversity grants... go out and give their "scientific" interpretations of it all... which is bullshit. Ever been in a science class... didnt get the result you were supposed to??? So what did you do?... You played around with the numbers, handed in your paper... and got an A. This is whats happening in the scientific community.

Fact is... is that MOST reports (which dont get much attention cause they dont sell newspapers) claim that our Earth is in a cooling process. the Polar Caps are actually GROWING. if you can believe!!

Acording to the news when I was 10... Ireland was supposed to be subbmerged underwater 20 years later (whcih is Now!!!). Last I've seen, Ireland is in pretty good shape!!! News is Bullshit. Scientists are bullshit!. The MEDIA CONTROLS society!!!! PLEASE TRY TO UNDERSTAND THEIR AGENDA'S!!!!

The media would probably like you to belive that crime is on the rise. You would probably automaticly agree with this statement after endless news reports about crime and who got murdered. Alarm systems going up. Kidnapings! Black guys running away from COPS all the time in LA. Truth of the matter is... our society has not been more safe since in the last 40 years almost. Crime has gone down as a whole by 50% since the 70's in Canada and the USA. iMAGINE THAT!!!!!!! yet... the media would have you belive that it is actually the opposite.

MEDIA IS BULLSHIT. SO IS GLOBAL WARMING. PLEASE DONT ENCOURAGE OUR POLITICINS TO WAIST OUR FUCKN TAX DOLLARS ON SUCH BULLSHIT... when instead they can be using it to bring down taxes, improve our medicaire system etc...

P.S. - I fly the Otters for Air Labrador and fuckn Love it. Flyinig over such beautiful and endless landscapes of mountains and trees... makes me think... MAN IS OUR COUNTRY EVER GODDAMN BIG!!!
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synthpro wrote:Fact is... is that MOST reports (which dont get much attention cause they dont sell newspapers) claim that our Earth is in a cooling process. the Polar Caps are actually GROWING. if you can believe!!
You are a certifiable jackass. Believe what you want but the polar ice caps, or any ice body are most certainly receding. I fly over glaciers on a daily basis that have receded hundreds of VERTICAL feet in the last 20 years. This is undeniable.
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RAGBAGFLYER writes that I'm a certifiable jackass??... nice.

ROCKIE says that People like me are conspiracy theorists and also think Nasa never flew to the Moon - And I suppose you were one of the few who ran to the grocery store and bought a Y2K kit for your homade bunker...

Anyways... Name calling, arguing and debating is what makes democracy so amazing. So I aint offended.

I have some other points though...

If CO2 was on the rise... in theory... being it that this is the very substance that tree's breath... than shouldn't there be like this abundance of many MORE TREES growing????!!!.... You would think....

Here's another.... Since Ragbag wants to use his own microscopic personal experiences in a macroscopic debate like this... Here are mine... Montreal (prior to last winter, 2007) has gone through the 3 lowest recorded winters in 100 years temperature wise. But hey... I hate using "personal" experience in a debate of such magnitude. I lived in Nunavik for 3 years. Even though the media has all the Inuits up their fooled, the reality is, is that the Ice on the water every Spring has melted the same time as it always did in the past 25 years. Some years are quicker, others are slower.

Oneday, I was going to the bathroom in a stall in this Montreal bar... and read the message before me... SAVE THE CARIBOO - ENDAGERED SPECIES!!! Since I lived in Nunavik... I knew personally that their are over 1 million cariboo out their and they are as healthy as could ever be. Could you ever imagine an enviromentalist ever saying that such and such an animal is actualy doing quite well and is NOT endagered!!????

How about those Seal hunts out there in Newfoundland... those cute poor... but now sloughtered seals... WHATEVER PAUL MCARTNEY!!!!!!! The only people more dumb than reporters are Hollywood actors!... yes... that includes you too BONO!!! (Even though I fuckn Love your music). Now seals, arent being hunted as much and as a result, are starting to eat all the fuckn fish!!! Great propaganda though.. almost as effective as the kuala bear.

Let's try something else... did you know that the main cause for all the recent hurricaines and storms in the Atlantic and Pacific is not because of Global Warming? It is Elnino. This climate phenominon has been happening ever since temperatures were recorded hundreds of years ago. ElNino is not at all a side effect of our earth's "CO2" increases. It is caused by warm oceanic currents in the Pacific Ocean changing direction. It is cyclical and happens every 7 years. 1997 was a big year for ElNino as it was a rather large one. Their was another recorded time when Elnino was even bigger. That was between 1938-1941. But I guess you can all figure out that WWII took presendence in the media over any hurricaines or stormy weather.

Did you know that our recorded temperatures show that our planet was actually warmer from 1890-1920??? than it is today. I guess horse and buggies were the main causes of Global Warming back then. Must have been all that manouer.

Also, 2000 years ago in Roman times, they recorded their temperatures, and on average they were a full 4 degrees hotter than "Roman" Europe is today.

Do you want to know why people are generally experiencing warmer temperatures. Because there has been a shift in the last 50 years of society moving from the Rural countryside into the big cities. What ends up happening, is that there are more roads constructed, more condos and houses going up and as a whole, a shit load more concrete. With concrete, the more you have it, the more it absorbs heat... thus... making the overall temperatures rise in the immediate city districts. Where do you think many of these temperature weather systems are located??... In the city's... as well as everywhere else.

Point being... our Climate changes all the time. It is in constant motion and change. We can barely predict what the forecast will be in two days, let alone the causes of certain shifts in our climate.

Final point... worrying about Global warming... is like stressing out over an Astroid hitting our planet. It is pointless and a waist of energy and resources. The earth has went on 5 billion years before us, and will probably go on for another 20 billion years after us humans are in the grave. Stressing over this is completely useless. especially since there's nothing anyone can really do about it anyways. Try convincing a taxi driver in India... barely scraping by to put food on his table... that he has to discard his gas guzling shitmobile for one of those new Toyota preludes! Aint gonna happen.

The worlds population 50 years ago was 2 billion. Today it is 6. In 25 years from now, it will reach 10 billion. (Almost double). Thats double more people driving cars, using paper and yes... in general... I suppose they are also BREETHING too- THUS EMMITING OUR OWN CO2 Gasses.

P.S. What the @#$! ever happened to that supposed GIANT OZONE hole in the southern hemisphere that scientists were all stressing out about in the 80's???? 4 years ago, Atlantis went up to take some more pictures.... and were stunned of its rather mystical disappearance... but that little story never made it to the bigger headlines... At the time, when I was a little boy... I thought we were all gonna be fucked and fry!!

Thats my take... Listen to Michale Moore and Bowling for Columbine. We live in a state of fear and thats how our government likes it.

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And Good Riddance- don't forget to take our tax dollars with you

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What happened to the Ozone hole? Well, funnily enough, there was a meeting in Montreal, of all places, about this in 1987. The global community gathered together, and signed a treaty that restricted CFC production in stages, and eventually will lead to a total phase-out of the gases, which deplete Ozone. So, now that the gases are on the way out, the ozone hole should repair itself....
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synthpro wrote:[
If CO2 was on the rise... in theory... being it that this is the very substance that tree's breath... than shouldn't there be like this abundance of many MORE TREES growing????!!!.... You would think....
Uh. Okay. And if there was more oxygen there would be more humans right? WTF???
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Synthpro has some holes in his arguments, but no larger than any of the others here. He's totally correct about the media fanning all our fears and if we get bored with the current ones, inventing new ones: bird flu, Al Quaida, SARS...you name it!
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BTD - Humans need sperm to reproduce. Plants don't (water & CO2).

North Shore - Why am I not surprised... a Green party hippy from BC.
Canadians are soooo egotistical... just as bad as americans... thinking we are the only ones who exist on this planet. We always get mad at the USA for not being able to name our capital city... yet... we cant even name Greenland's capital city. Same perspective if you ask me. I dont have the stats... but I have a feeling China... and India... or any other 3rd world nation... was not at this little meeting banning CFC in their fridges.

Besides... the Atlantis report concluded that they believe the Ozone contrapts in and out, and as such, was the main reason why they didnt see it as prevelant as before.

And dudes... enough with the fuckn name calling. Be smart... debate like the professionals you are... not like a bunch of ramp rats. No one is forcing you to agree with me.. so dont take it so personally if your on the other side of the fence.

On that note... their is a large difference between Global Warming... and Resource Management. Resource Management is a definate area in which improvements have been made and will continue to do so in the comming years. Not dumping our garbage into the water... recylcing bottles and plastics. Replanting trees, cutting lumber down in cycles... not clear cutting. Taxing gas guzzling vehicles... NOT because of global warming.. but because they create smog in our city's. Washers and Dryers with low energy intake are apllicable to recieving tax rebates. Saving energy... and costs as a whole from making more and more Hydro Dams. These are real, and sensible solutions WITH incentives for everyone.. including money. This is where David Suzuki and the Green Party have always fell short.
People will NOT stop driving, will not and shouldnt have to stop idling their cars when its -20 outside. Real solutions start with money saving concepts and concepts that actually make our lives easier.

It STILL takes a goddamn hour and 15 minutes to get from the suburbs to downtown Montreal by bus. Takes only 20 minutes by car. Why the @#$! wouldnt I wanna drive my car???? Increase transportation, make it dirt cheap, have smooth connections like in Japan and Europe... and everyone will adapt.

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synthpro wrote:BTD - Humans need sperm to reproduce. Plants don't (water & CO2).

North Shore - Why am I not surprised... a Green party hippy from BC.
Canadians are soooo egotistical... just as bad as americans... thinking we are the only ones who exist on this planet. We always get mad at the USA for not being able to name our capital city... yet... we cant even name Greenland's capital city. Same perspective if you ask me. I dont have the stats... but I have a feeling China... and India... or any other 3rd world nation... was not at this little meeting banning CFC in their fridges.

Besides... the Atlantis report concluded that they believe the Ozone contrapts in and out, and as such, was the main reason why they didnt see it as prevelant as before.

And dudes... enough with the fuckn name calling. Be smart... debate like the professionals you are... not like a bunch of ramp rats. No one is forcing you to agree with me.. so dont take it so personally if your on the other side of the fence.

On that note... their is a large difference between Global Warming... and Resource Management. Resource Management is a definate area in which improvements have been made and will continue to do so in the comming years. Not dumping our garbage into the water... recylcing bottles and plastics. Replanting trees, cutting lumber down in cycles... not clear cutting. Taxing gas guzzling vehicles... NOT because of global warming.. but because they create smog in our city's. Washers and Dryers with low energy intake are apllicable to recieving tax rebates. Saving energy... and costs as a whole from making more and more Hydro Dams. These are real, and sensible solutions WITH incentives for everyone.. including money. This is where David Suzuki and the Green Party have always fell short.
People will NOT stop driving, will not and shouldnt have to stop idling their cars when its -20 outside. Real solutions start with money saving concepts and concepts that actually make our lives easier.

It STILL takes a goddamn hour and 15 minutes to get from the suburbs to downtown Montreal by bus. Takes only 20 minutes by car. Why the @#$! wouldnt I wanna drive my car???? Increase transportation, make it dirt cheap, have smooth connections like in Japan and Europe... and everyone will adapt.

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Trees need water and CO2 to live, reproducing requires seed and a way to spread it. Kind of like the plant equivalent of getting laid which is how humans reproduce.

You seem to have given this some thought so I'm puzzled why you flatly reject even the possibility of green house gas global warming. You and others like you are betting the farm that the scientists are wrong simply because you think it's a global con job and not real. Would you dismiss an engine fire warning simply because you couldn't see flame? I hope not. Same with global warming as far as I'm concerned. We can't afford to ignore the warnings because the consequences are too grave. I don't care if the press is on a band wagon and is whipping up fear. If the scientists are right which I think they are, this is something to fear, It is stupid to reject something because you don't like the press
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Hey Rocky

Enough about the whole tree and CO2 thingy.. we're getting a bit off track now.

Listen... I get your point... and I am completely against conspiracy theorists. Can't stand them and hate hearing their rants. I aint one of them.

You are right, I have given this some thought and the one thing that everyone seems to assume... is that scientists agree to this Global Warming phenomenon. This is far from being true. In fact, it is very very much divided. And I'm not just talking about a few loonies on the outskirts who just wanna make a splash in the water.

If you listen to debates on talk radio... with climatologists... or scientists... none of them are completely for or against this debate.

Point is... is that Scientists DO NOT all think we humans are the culprits of why Global Warming is taking place. The reason why I'm rather passionate about this subject... is because so so many people just blindlessly believe these thrown out theories without even considering to look at other facts.

My final point is... the whether to me... honestly seems fine. I walk outside... someday's it rains other days it doesn't. As far as I have seen... ACID RAIN hasn't killed all of our trees. In fact... you dont even hear about ACID RAIN in the media anymore.. Something that was so so prevalent back in the 90's.

Back in WWII... EUGENICS was the belief that different races spawning with each other would in turn... lead to the dumbness of society. Therefore... it was crucial for whites to continue to @#$! only whites etc... Universities were totally on board with this wide accepted theory. So was the entire world. It was only a few that denounced this ridiculous theory and were scoffed at. EVERYONE... I MEAN THE WHOLE WORLD BELIEVED IN THIS!!!!! 99%. THEY WERE CONVINCED OF THIS THEORY WHICH CERTAINLY HELPED THE NAZI CAUSE. But it wasent just the Germains. THE WHOLOE WORLD!... Same like now with Global Warming. 20 years later... it was finally determined that this theory was not true and had no bearing on human inelegance. Today... we don't even think about it or remember.

And besides... what are you going to thats so different from me to "save" our planet??? we both drive. We both eat. and we both fly. difference is is your going to worry yourself to death.. and i wont. Even Harper denounces the global warming theory. Him and many other world leaders. I aint the only one dude. But judging the reaction i got from this forum... this is why nobody's speaking out who happens to be on the opposing side.
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Stephen Harper doesn't denounce global warming. He rejects the Kyoto Accord as an unrealistic and unworkable agreement that the politicians who signed it had no intention of adhering to. He advocates dealing with global warming in a manner that is actually possible and not just worthless posturing. Harper has done more to address global warming already than the Liberals, who actually signed the accord, did in their whole mandate.
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If you go back to last fall when Dion was attacking Harper in the hopes to get more votes... his main weapon over the Conservatives was that they were pulling out of Kyoto, and that their NEW plan did very little to address Global Warming.

Harper... and much of his cabinet's main counter argument (other than... what have you Liberals done for our Country lately???)... was because there just wasent enough substantial evidence proving it to be a fighting cause worth fighting for. Now of course... its political suicide for any Canadian polition to flat out reject Global Warming... but couldn't you sort of hear those undertones and hints and a "few" remarks within his cabinet suggesting that their was some lack of evidence... and more studies needed to be done before waging a full out war?...

I sensed that.
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US predicts polar bear meltdown

Two-thirds of the world's polar bears will be gone by the middle of the century, says a US government agency.

The US Geological Survey (USGS) says parts of the Arctic are losing summer ice so fast that no bears will be able to live there within several decades.

Scientists believe Arctic ice will hit a record low this year.

The US government commissioned the study to assess whether polar bears should be protected under the national Endangered Species Act.
Its decision is due in January 2008. The species (Ursus maritimus) is classified as Vulnerable to extinction on the internationally acknowledged Red List of Threatened Species.

The USGS surveyed evidence on the decline of Arctic summer ice, which has accelerated in the last decade, and the projections of climate models.

Based on this, they concluded that some areas where polar bears now roam, such as the Barents Sea north of Norway and Russia, would be unable to support the animals at all by the middle of the century.

The bears might persist in other regions; but about 40% of the summer habitat will be gone by 2050, and with it, two-thirds of the current population, the USGS concludes.

Arctic ice to hit new low
Last month, scientists at the US National Snow and Ice Data Center said Arctic summer ice was almost 30% below the long-term average, and predicted 2007 would show the lowest ice cover on record.
Polar bears use ice as a hunting base.

"The grim news about polar bears and sea ice decline is horrifying, but it is a call to action, not despair," said Kassie Siegel of the Center for Biological Diversity.

"Our hope lies in a rapid response, including both deep and immediate carbon dioxide reductions and a full-court press on other greenhouse pollutants."
The Center has petitioned the US to list the polar bear as an endangered species, which would oblige the government to protect it. Campaigners believe this would mean curbing greenhouse gas emissions.

As the USGS report came out, the US administration was negotiating the "Sydney Declaration", a document on climate change, at the Asia-Pacific Economic Co-operation forum in Australia.

The deal aims to reduce the rate of growth of greenhouse gas emissions on a voluntary basis.

This news was on CBC last night but I cannot find it today on their website.
I got this from BBC.

Something I learned about the decline of polar bears, because they are at the top of the food chain, is that there will be an increase in Seal populations. With the increase in seals, there will be a decrease in fish, and this will cause the Algae blooms to be too high and there will be no oxygen in the water. This will affect other marine life, and all life on the planet will be affected, NO KIDDING!
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I read somewhere the other day that back in the 1950's the total polar bear population was thought to be around 5 - 6,000 animals. I say 'thought to be' because I can't remember if that figure included those in the former Soviet Socialist Republics. The latest population figures I can dig up is 21 -25,000 animals, including those in Russia. They seem to be doing ok.

As for the seal vs fish population, any anti-seal hunt protester will swear that the seal population has absolutely no effect on fish stocks. :D
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synthpro -------- I've been in aviation 46 years so far. Much of that has been spent flying over and living in both Canada's Arctic Islands and Antarctica. I've seen a host of huge changes in both locales and know fully about scientists and some of their closed minds also. Since 1974 I've seen two ice caps on two of Canada's Arctic Islands completely disappear to point of not even leaving wet earth or rocks behind. In 1974 one those ice caps was 50 miles long and up to 2200 feet thick and had been there for a estimated 5000 years (Yes, the age of ice can be determined sir). This is all a matter of record with the Resolute Bay HQ of Canada's Arctic Polar Shelf Program.

I have flown the area for a little less than half a century and I don't need one scientist of any stripe to tell me what I have SEEN. I might suggest that the first thing you do is get up off your ass and go to the place that you speak so knowingly about. While doing so you might want to think about something......."God gave Man TWO ears and ONE mouth for a good reason".
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Siddley Hawker wrote:I read somewhere the other day that back in the 1950's the total polar bear population was thought to be around 5 - 6,000 animals. I say 'thought to be' because I can't remember if that figure included those in the former Soviet Socialist Republics. The latest population figures I can dig up is 21 -25,000 animals, including those in Russia. They seem to be doing ok.

As for the seal vs fish population, any anti-seal hunt protester will swear that the seal population has absolutely no effect on fish stocks. :D
You just skewered your own argument by saying they "thought" the polar bear count was 5 - 6000 animals in the 50's They were wrong I guess. They are much better at counting things today than they were back then. In fact they are much better at doing lots of things today than they were 60 years ago. Polar bears need the ice pack as a hunting platform and the ice is disappearing. Less ice = less hunting = less eating = less bears.

Dramatic changes to nature are never isolated events. There are always collateral changes and as was pointed out in a previous post, less polar bears will have a ripple effect. It's called the balance of nature.

As for the seals, they eat fish. More seals = more eating = less fish.

Just like the cod fishing on the east coast as we know all too well. More fishing = less fish. Even more fishing = no fish.

Case proven.
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Polar bears seem to be doing ok according to this guy.
http://meteo.lcd.lu/globalwarming/Taylo ... bears.html

While I don't deny their environment may be threatened, polar bears are set to become the poster child of animal welfare activists of the 2000's that the white coat was a generation ago.

As to the fish/seal population, I was attempting a bit of irony. I intended the smiley to be the giveaway. We both know seals eat fish, which, overfishing aside, makes them a part of the problem and not a part of the solution, to low fish stocks.
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Go VERY carefully with the subject of 'scientific knowledge' on the subject of polar bears also gentlemen. It was an absolute fact also that polar bears were coming FROM the north to get into the garbage dump, etc. of Churchill, MB. They'd be trapped if possible and disposited, at great cost, somewhere NORTH of Churchill. On the third time they were 'put down' because of the danger to locals. This was all based on the advice of scientists also. Then the fact was stumbled upon that the polar bears weren't coming from the north and invading Churchill, BUT immigrating north through Churchill from their breeding grounds SOUTH of Churchill in the Ft. Severn area of Hudson's Bay (It's also now the largest known breeding ground for polar bears in the world). At that point all scientific information on that subject was dumped into the garbage also because it was now proven conclusively that it was invalid. Churchill had been there for over 200 years, ditto for Ft. Severn, ditto for Hudson's Bay, the polar bears and scientists also.
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