Full body scanners/ Religion

[niss]

The Rabbi @ my Synagogue is a woman.

[xsbank]

Can we call each other names without these giant, long quotes? I have a reasonable retention of what I've read and I think I'm average in brain power, so unless most of you are retarded, can we lose the quotes?

No religion is superior to another - they all preach peace and brotherhood, unless someone doesn't conform, then they should be killed/ostracised/excommunicated/deported/stoned/crucified/burnt at the stake/whatever, the more disgusting and evil the better. I'm more righteous than you so I get to kill you. Slowly. And some of your family too.

[Driving Comet]

You can say the same thing about Judism. They refuse to assimilate. They will not eat our food. They do not follow our holidays or traditions. They also make constant war in the middle east. Oops they always call it "defense".

But wait, "god" told them in 1948 they could have the land and kill whoever was living there! And take more and more land every year. Bomb, kill, it's all good because their "god" said so!!

All this violence over their "god"? Is this considered sane or insane in your books?

Their "god" even tells them to snip the most sensitive part off every little male baby.
Their "god" tells then to wear a skullcap (like like Islam!)

Rights for women? Nope women cannot become rabbis. Women have no status as leaders in their church.

...and the most idiotic post of 2010 goes to...

Ignorance is bliss. eh?

Come on man, get your head out behind the dirt covered rock, shit like that just fuels the fire and contributes to the global shitstorm we deal with. All this bullsh*t that people talk when truly they have no idea, such as what you said, doesn't help. And what the hell does circumcision have to do with anything anyone has talked about. Grow up man, seriously; it's to the point that the comment you made just makes me shake my head in shame.

The theme of this discussion is security, not personal racial views.

[Human Factor]

...and the most idiotic post of 2010 goes to...

Ignorance is bliss. eh?

Come on man, get your head out behind the dirt covered rock, shit like that just fuels the fire and contributes to the global shitstorm we deal with. All this bullsh*t that people talk when truly they have no idea, such as what you said, doesn't help. And what the hell does circumcision have to do with anything anyone has talked about. Grow up man, seriously; it's to the point that the comment you made just makes me shake my head in shame.

The theme of this discussion is security, not personal racial views.

You could hide a few WMD under your foreskin if you were clever enough.

[rigpiggy]

I've got my 2% off the top, and I'm not jewish, so have my boys
From the WHO

Male circumcision for HIV prevention

There is compelling evidence that male circumcision reduces the risk of heterosexually acquired HIV infection in men by approximately 60%. Three randomized controlled trials have shown that male circumcision provided by well trained health professionals in properly equipped settings is safe. WHO/UNAIDS recommendations emphasize that male circumcision should be considered an efficacious intervention for HIV prevention in countries and regions with heterosexual epidemics, high HIV and low male circumcision prevalence. Male circumcision provides only partial protection, and therefore should be only one element of a comprehensive HIV prevention package which includes:

* the provision of HIV testing and counseling services;
* treatment for sexually transmitted infections;
* the promotion of safer sex practices;
* the provision of male and female condoms and promotion of their correct and consistent use.

[mike123]

Here's my version (edits and comments in bold)

Can a Christian be a real American or Canadian?

You can say the same thing about Judism. They refuse to assimilate. They will not eat our food. They do not follow our holidays or traditions. They also make constant war in the middle east. Oops they always call it "defense".

But wait, "god" told them in 1948 they could have the land and kill whoever was living there! And take more and more land every year. Bomb, kill, it's all good because their "god" said so!!

All this violence over their "god"? Is this considered sane or insane in your books?

Their "god" even tells them to snip the most sensitive part off every little male baby.
Their "god" tells then to wear a skullcap (like like Islam!)

Rights for women? Nope women cannot become rabbis. Women have no status as leaders in their church.

Hey morons, when was the last time a Jew or a Christian tried to blow up a plane?

[niss]

Hey morons, when was the last time a Jew tried to blow up a plane?

When they maid him pay retail for the ticket?





THANK YOU! I'll be here all weekend!

[Mig29]

Xsbank,

you couldn't have said it better!!

If they introduce these scanners at Pearson I will refuse to go through them, and if that means I will get suspended by my company, so be it then!! Mark my words, I'm not a goat or some idiot to do what ever the dish in front of the tv!

[2R]

Replace the word "Homeland " with Fatherland or Motherland and you can see where this security crap is headed

They should appoint Issac Yeffet to the TSA he would fix this stupid mess.

[Mig29]

I did a 5 min research on this El Al former president...and here's what he said on recent news show....Thumbs up to this guy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftn7qxwjQkU

[macbainz1]

Depends. If it happens in Vancouver, the RCMP will taser you.

LOL I've noticed that thats pretty much the same response to any security related topic.

[canwhitewolf]

If you don't want to be body scanned you have choices.

1 : STAY HOME

2 : DRIVE YOUR SELF

3: TAKE A BUS

4: TAKE A TRAIN

5: TAKE A BOAT

6: WALK

But please shut the f. up about your right to privacy.

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Id say its just the opposite people should be outraged at this BS

[macbainz1]

Here's my version (edits and comments in bold)

Can a Christian be a real American or Canadian?

You can say the same thing about Judism. They refuse to assimilate. They will not eat our food. They do not follow our holidays or traditions. They also make constant war in the middle east. Oops they always call it "defense".

But wait, "god" told them in 1948 they could have the land and kill whoever was living there! And take more and more land every year. Bomb, kill, it's all good because their "god" said so!!

All this violence over their "god"? Is this considered sane or insane in your books?

Their "god" even tells them to snip the most sensitive part off every little male baby.
Their "god" tells then to wear a skullcap (like like Islam!)

Rights for women? Nope women cannot become rabbis. Women have no status as leaders in their church.

Hey morons, when was the last time a Jew or a Christian tried to blow up a plane?

OK so i'm guessing your on about terrorist acts by other religions? I'm not against you and am strongly against any islamic threat etc (@#$! em)
But I have to point out the following terror attacks by other religions.

Well If you widen the picture, Islam is not the only religion that has had extremist JUST LOOK AT ALL THE TROUBLE IN IRELAND IN THE LAST 40 ODD YEARS AGO.

Do you also remember that Catholic fella called Guy Fawkes who tried to displace Protestant rule in 1605 by blowing up the English Houses of Parliament (What big ben is today) while King James I and the entire Protestant, and even most of the Catholic, aristocracy and nobility were inside????

Could I also remind you of flight Air India Flight 182 from YUL - LHR back in 1985, which killed all 329 people on board - wasn't blown up by muslims infact it was blown up by SIKHS



My Dads favourite T-shirt reads:

Taoism: Shit happens.
Hinduism: This shit happened before.
Buddhism: It is only the illusion of shit happening.
Zen: What is the sound of shit happening?
Islam: If shit happens, it is the will of Allah.
Jehovah's Witness: Knock knock. Shit happens.
Atheism: There is no such thing as shit.
Agnosticism: Maybe shit happens -
and maybe it doesn't.
Protestantism: Shit won't happen if I work harder.
Catholicism: If shit happens, I deserve it.
Judaism: Why does shit always happen to me?
Televangelism: Send money or shit
will happen to you.
Rastafarianism: Smoke that shit.
Unitarianism: Who gives a shit?

[flyinthebug]

I saw on Canada AM today that there are only 6 functioning "full body scan" machines in service worldwide. I guess this latest scare will certainly bolster the stock value of "AAA body scanners INC". That said, I believe its the price we have to pay to secure our airplanes and the flying public. I also agree that if you feel this invades your privacy, then take a train, boat, car or walk. Its really that simple.

These machines would have revealed the powder sewen into this crazy Nigerians gitch.. and I think its a good idea to have these machines in all the major airports in the world. Like I said, the bottom line for its manufactuers will certainly go up and the costs associated will be passed on to the passengers. But were wasting billions of $$$ every year on these CATSA idiots.. Maybe if we focus on the REAL problem and its solutions we can start to keep these fanatical religious morons away from our airports.

Its not a fix-all.. But its certainly a step in the right direction.


Fly safe all.

Actually this new machine would not have revealed the powder sewen into this crazy Nigerians gitch, there was a big thing about it already

I watched a 2 hour "Dateline" on this last night. They addressed this question directly and although they did not find the "powder" that the guy (Chris Hansen) from Dateline had tucked under his belt... they did say they were 100% confident that TSA "trained" screeners would have seen it. Hmmmm, time will tell.

[BoostedNihilist]

I wonder how many of you have been to the middle east?

People are the same everywhere. Yeah sure, maybe us morons haven't blown up an aircraft filled with innocent civilians.. but the Jews are running the palestinians into the ocean.. I am sure that not every palestinian is guilty, yet they are all treated as such. The white west? Yeah, well, if you read about standard oil and the french you will see where the badness really begins, it's not about religion it is about money and power.. but religious people are the easiest to manipulate because they have already given up on a fact based existance and as such are primed for making other leaps with faith. A few wheels greased here.. a few mullahs in the pocket there.. some fatwas and some jihad and boom, you have a prebuilt army and infrastructure ripe for the picking (manipulating)...

I accept the consequences of our actions.. if that means that we have to worry that the people we have screwed over time and time again are gonna try to come get us, then that is what it means. Having a shitty security situation is paying the piper for deeds long past. Now, we are being punished for our deeds by our enemies and our own.. sounds to me, as if the only people who have lost anything is us... but we can't really complain because we have given it away.

I am so sick of us evolved white people playing the victim.

We could eliminate the problems we suffer by treating everybody else as well as we treat ourselves.

[niss]

... but the Jews are running the palestinians into the ocean..

That is a very narrow, inflammatory, and untrue statement.

[BibleMonkey]

... but the Jews are running the palestinians into the ocean..

That is a very narrow, inflammatory, and untrue statement.

Yes....yes....
But I know what you're thinking.
Did BoostedNihilist fire six shots or only five? Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement, I've kinda lost track myself. But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya punk?

...Could I also remind you of flight Air India Flight 182 from YUL - LHR back in 1985, which killed all 329 people on board - wasn't blown up by muslims infact it was blown up by SIKHS

Pffft. Muslims-134 Canucks plus 24 , Sikhs 280 -
Pussies.

The single largest use of a weapon of Mass Destruction on civilians was by a BAPTIST.

HA. We win!
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See, Niss/Boosted-that's ^ how you write a very narrow, inflammatory, and untrue statement.


*moonwalks backwards out of thread*

[BoostedNihilist]

That is a very narrow, inflammatory, and untrue statement.

see it however you want.

[reality check]

Here's my version (edits and comments in bold)

Can a Christian be a real American or Canadian?

You can say the same thing about Judism. They refuse to assimilate. They will not eat our food. They do not follow our holidays or traditions. They also make constant war in the middle east. Oops they always call it "defense".

But wait, "god" told them in 1948 they could have the land and kill whoever was living there! And take more and more land every year. Bomb, kill, it's all good because their "god" said so!!

All this violence over their "god"? Is this considered sane or insane in your books?

Their "god" even tells them to snip the most sensitive part off every little male baby.
Their "god" tells then to wear a skullcap (like like Islam!)

Rights for women? Nope women cannot become rabbis. Women have no status as leaders in their church.

Hey morons, when was the last time a Jew or a Christian tried to blow up a plane?

Hey Moron,

When's the last time anyone other than the "Jews or Christian's" held power? The simplistic posts on here really are frightening sometimes.

[reality check]

... but the Jews are running the palestinians into the ocean..

That is a very narrow, inflammatory, and untrue statement.

Is it? Mmm, perhaps "ocean" is too strong a word. Maybe we should back it down to "poverty," "squalor," or maybe "the grave?" No, no, that's not it either. I think the intention lies closer to "international illegitimacy" and "marginalization."

[reality check]

But please shut the f. up about your right to privacy.

Ok,

How about my right to health?

In researching the biological effects of the millimeter wave scanners used for whole body imaging at airports, NaturalNews has learned that the energy emitted by the machines may damage human DNA.

Millimeter wave machines represent one of two primary technologies currently being used for the "digital strip searches" being conducted at airports around the world. "The Transportation Security Administration utilizes two technologies to capture naked images of air travelers - backscatter x-ray technology and millimeter wave technology," reports the Electronic Privacy Information Center, a non-profit currently suing the U.S. government to stop these electronic strip searches.

In order to generate the nude image of the human body, these machines emit terahertz photons -- high-frequency energy "particles" that can pass through clothing and body tissue.

The manufacturers of such machines claim they are perfectly safe and present no health risks, but a study conducted by Boian S. Alexandrov (and colleagues) at the Center for Nonlinear Studies at Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico showed that these terahertz waves could "...unzip double-stranded DNA, creating bubbles in the double strand that could significantly interfere with processes such as gene expression and DNA replication."

In layman's terms, any time you're talking about interfering with "gene expression" and "DNA replication," you're essentially talking about something that could be a risk to human health.

Never Approved as Safe for Humans

"At first glance, it's easy to dismiss any notion that they can be damaging," reports TechnologyReview.com. "But a new generation of cameras are set to appear that not only record terahertz waves but also bombard us with them. And if our exposure is set to increase, the question that urgently needs answering is what level of terahertz exposure is safe."

And yet no such long-term safety testing has ever been conducted by a third party. There have been no clinical trials indicating that multiple exposures to such terahertz waves, accumulated over a long period of time, are safe for humans. The FDA, in particular, has never granted its approval for any such devices even though these devices clearly qualify as "medical devices."

(If you try to sell an X-ray imaging device yourself, without FDA approval, you'll be arrested. So why do these TSA suppliers get away with selling human body imaging equipment that has never been adequately safety tested or approved by the FDA?)

The study cited in the TechnologyReview article mentioned above is visible here.

There, study authors conclude: "Based on our results we argue that a specific terahertz radiation exposure may significantly affect the natural dynamics of DNA, and thereby influence intricate molecular processes involved in gene expression and DNA replication."

In other words, millimeter wave scanning device may damage your DNA.

[niss]

... but the Jews are running the palestinians into the ocean..

That is a very narrow, inflammatory, and untrue statement.

Is it? Mmm, perhaps "ocean" is too strong a word. Maybe we should back it down to "poverty," "squalor," or maybe "the grave?" No, no, that's not it either. I think the intention lies closer to "international illegitimacy" and "marginalization."

So 'The Muslims are trying to slaughter all the Israelis' would be a perfectly fine and legitimate statement as well?

[reality check]

So 'The Muslims are trying to slaughter all the Israelis' would be a perfectly fine and legitimate statement as well?

I don't see why not, as it's generally true.

The real fun starts though when we get into the 'why's' and such, unfortunately it gets a bit messy on the moral and ethical front. Oh, and that nasty little caveat of power imbalance, your statement wouldn't be complete without at least some reference to that. Of course the Israelis are perfectly justified in their prosecution of the Palestinians and the Lebanese though, aren't they? Please don't answer, it's rhetorical.

However, this thread is about full-body scanners, shall we at least try to keep it there? I'm sure there's an Israeli/Muslim thread that can be dredged up where we can beat this to death yet again.

[niss]

Oh, and that nasty little caveat of power imbalance, your statement wouldn't be complete without at least some reference to that.

I'm really happy to see that people measure their morality and right or wrong based on military capability and body count. What a fun happy world.

[Topspin]

Ok,

How about my right to health?

What about these rights?

http://www.efc.ca/pages/law/charter/charter.text.html#2

LIFE, LIBERTY AND SECURITY OF PERSON.

7. Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of the person and the right not to be deprived thereof except in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice.

SEARCH OR SEIZURE.

8. Everyone has the right to be secure against unreasonable search or seizure.

DETENTION OR IMPRISONMENT.

9. Everyone has the right not to be arbitrarily detained or imprisoned.

I've thought about raising that on the grounds of Non-Passenger-Screening more than a few times. Probably end up getting fired though.