Amazing story of courage

[SunWuKong]

cdnpilot77:

Thank you for the 2 confucius (in fact KongFuZi) saying (proverb).

I have read your article about japanese atrocities, 2 things:
1- I am aware. I like history, I have already read many things about that. In addition remember where I live. When I watch TV, when I go the the Movies (chinese), when I speak to my GF or colleagues (chinese), don't worry they all remind and explain me Japanese are devil, in fact most of chinese people, when they speak about japanese people actually use the word "DEVIL", in chinese: 日本鬼子

2-Don't think ONE SECOND I am on the side of the WW2 Nazi or WW2 japanese. Read again all my post. I bring some more perspective in our 2011 hero cuture environment, and I speak about some facts which remind us that anybody can be a monster. And yes I like to speak about true facts that disturb a bit our certitude.
That's all, am I clear? In fact I think I am, because I beleive everybody understood my point here.

not to directly defend our homeland

I desagree. We can speak about it if you want. I would compare it with the beginning of the war, when Belguim and France went first and alone to war against the Nazi, they were not attacked yet. But they knew they had to do it, because it was just a matter of time anyway. The US were attacked before they entered the war.

[slam525i]

Ah, I am being addressed directly. It is only polite to respond. Plus, I admit, it IS fun to play with people, especially when they're thousands of miles away and can't do anything about getting all riled up. (Yeah, "internet cajones" I admit it.) I'm sorry mods, I can't resist, even though I am thread-jacking... although clearly the thread has gone into an unrecoverable flat spin.


Let's review some of 孫悟空's beliefs.

The US arrived at the very end in Europe (1944), only after the russian army walked in Berlin.

nazy were losing anyway in Europe even without the late US army "help"

the americans where not even sure Japan surrendered or not when they wanted to try their first european made nuclear bomb

(Emphasis mine)

I can speak chinese so I know something about this chinese city.

I can speak English, but I know nothing about Bridgeport, Connecticut.

When the nazi arrived, UK escaped (dunkirk retreat) because were afraid to fight

Do not, ever, speak these words to a Brit. I hold a British passport and lived there for several years. Dunkirk was a retreat, but the "miracle of little ships" is one of Britain's proudest moments.

If I said something wrong, then tell me the truth.

To everyone, including 孫悟空:
You know, I'm okay with people having their facts wrong. After all, we all have to learn. I'm okay with people having differing opinions. The world would be really boring otherwise. What I will not tolerate is bigot who dares to say "all Chinese hate Japanese", or for that matter, "all xxx people hate yyy people". While I realize I can't convince people of questionable mental stability (yes, that is an insult), I do wish to make sure the rest of you know that is not the case. I have no animosity towards the Japanese as a whole, although I am disgusted by the revisionist historical textbooks which some extremists have been advocating. However, I also realize extremists are just that; they do not represent the people as a whole. Please, Chinese people are not more racist than any other race. Sure, there are Chinese nut jobs too, but they're nut jobs!

By the way, "纸里包不住火" is supposed to mean "A paper bag does not stop fire". I could argue that simplified Chinese (簡體字) is a bastardization of the language with barely 50 years of history, but I digress. Also, 鬼子 in 日本鬼子 does, in fact, mean devil or ghost. However, the cultural nuance you've failed to appreciate is that every foreigner is referred to as 鬼, whether they're black, white, or any shade in between. While it may sound negative, it's applied to every foreigner and has no negative connotation.

Back to 孫悟空:
While I do not appreciate being accused of being less-Chinese on the basis that I live in Canada (and PROUDLY CANADIAN... in addition to Chinese and British, I must admit), I realize it is your opinion that you are more Chinese than I am, and, in fact, you have every right to that opinion. Just like I have the right to the opinion that you're an ignorant idiot with a severe personality disorder and likely should seek psychiatric treatment.

next time think twice before insulting somebody

You know what? I don't think I will, at least not with you. It's too much fun.

I told you to STFU because you accused all Chinese of being racist, and as a proud Chinese, I tell you again now: S.T.F.U.

And for saying the Brits were afraid to fight at Dunkirk? S.T.F.U.

Saying the US did not enter the war until the Soviets were in Berlin? Not only is that factually incorrect, but it is an insult against all the Americans who fought and died in that war. Not only that, the countless US merchant marines who kept the UK on life-support crossing the Atlantic in Liberty ships risking death by wolf packs should not be forgotten. S.T.F.U.

For insulting the memories of all the Canadians who bravely defended the British Isles (We declared war in 1939. We were not neutral, FYI. I want you to actually learn something.) and especially to those who defended Hong Kong (first Canadian infantry casualty), as well as many other territories: S.T.F.U.

All of your post in this topic are imature

You're welcome to that opinion. I'll also avail you to my opinion:

1. You should learn to be accepting of differing opinions.
2. Try not to insult other people on their own culture.
3. You aren't as knowledgeable as you'd like to believe.
4. S.T.F.U.

(Sorry mods! That was too much fun. I accept whatever penance is forthcoming, but I ask you not to ban me permanently; I've learned much from this forum and would like to continue to do so.)

[SunWuKong]

Just like I have the right to the opinion that you're an ignorant idiot with a severe personality disorder and likely should seek psychiatric treatment. STFU STFU STFU STFU STFU STFU

slam525i: simplified chinese is CHINA's language, I am not in macau, taiwan or hongkong. You are insulting China.

4 points:

1-you continue to insult me, more and more.

2-You are losing your mind like a teenager when you are the one speaking about CRM.

3-you still speak about me when you said you would ignore me.

4-you do everything to avoid to answer me, because you know you are wrong, which make you losing control, we are still here:

so you don't dare? Now listen, I will speak very clearly: the vast majority of chinese people living in china hate japanese, is that clear enough??? Instead of insulting me and speaking about yourself, tell me I am wrong. Would you dare writting here this is not true? Do I lie? Come here to China and tell everybody you love japanese, please do it for me. Get real.

So don't tell me to STFU, tell me I am wrong. Will you dare?

[slam525i]

Yes, I was insulting you. I'm glad you picked that up. I would hate to think you thought your insults were going unanswered.

Macau, Taiwan, and Hong Kong are parts of China. That is an indisputable fact. It is my opinion that simplified Chinese is a bastardization of the language, and you'll find I am not the only Chinese who thinks so. This does not represent an insult to China. As usual, you're entitled to your own opinion.

And, you are wrong. Not all Chinese hate Japanese. Most Chinese do not hate Japanese. Some Chinese hate Japanese. Some Canadians hate Ugandans. Some South Africans hate Mongolians.

I have no problems saying that I have immense respect for the Japanese, especially in their technological and economic prowess since 1945, the last 2 "lost decades" not withstanding. Do I love Japanese? No more than I love Australians. Would I stand in the middle of Tiananmen Square and declare my love for Japan? No; I'd end up getting the same looks I'm sure you routinely get.

Anything else you're unclear about? Any other of your points you'd like me to answer? Otherwise, STFU and stop insulting everyone.

[SunWuKong]

Most Chinese do not hate Japanese.

Ok you said it It was hard, but I guess nothing would stop you to prove you are right.

Ok, most chinese do not hate Japanese you are right, I was wrong.

[slam525i]

Now all chinese people hate japanese

all chinese have only one idea in head, prove how much of a hero they are and want to enter a war against japan, and use everything, any excuse to do so

Most Chinese do not hate Japanese.

Ok you said it It was hard, but I guess nothing would stop you to prove you are right.

Ok, most chinese do not hate Japanese you are right, I was wrong.

Good. It wasn't hard at all; it's the truth.

[SunWuKong]

Sure, you are right (feel better hey?), I am wrong, him too:

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/ ... 59,00.html

You don't have to look far to see why Chinese grow up learning to hate Japan. Take the forthcoming children's movie, "Little Soldier Zhang," which Beijing-based director Sun Lijun says he made having "learned a lot from Disney." The film chronicles the adventures in the 1930s of Little Zhang, a cute 12-year-old boy feeling his way through an unfriendly world. But the resemblance to Pinocchio ends there. After Japanese invaders shoot Little Zhang's grandmother in the back, the boy seeks revenge by joining an underground Red Army detachment. He moves among heroic Chinese patriots, sniveling collaborators and sadistic Japanese. The finale comes with Little Zhang helping blow up a trainload of Japanese soldiers and receiving a cherished reward: a pistol with which to kill more Japanese. "I thought about including one sympathetic Japanese character, but this is an anti-Japan war movie and I don't want to confuse anyone," says Sun, who will premier his film on International Children's Day.
Chinese kids can be forgiven for thinking Japan is a nation of "devils," a slur used without embarrassment in polite Chinese society. They were raised to feel that way, and not just through cartoons. Starting in elementary school children learn reading, writing and the "Education in National Humiliation." This last curriculum teaches that Japanese "bandits" brutalized China throughout the 1930s and would do so today given half a chance. Although European colonial powers receive their share of censure, the main goal is keeping memories of Japanese conquest fresh. Thousands of students each day, for instance, take class trips to the Anti-Japanese War Museum in Beijing to view grainy photos of war atrocities—women raped and disemboweled, corpses of children stacked like cordwood. As one 15-year-old girl in a blue and yellow school uniform, Ji Jilan, emerged from a recent visit to the gallery, she told a TIME correspondent: "After seeing this, I hate Japanese more than ever."

So it is not surprising that this nationalist animosity reaches the highest levels of government. The Chinese Premier, Wen Jiabao, recently created shockwaves by saying he would refuse to meet with Japan's prime minister, Junichiro Koizumi, at a ground-breaking summit of East Asian nations that begins Monday. Reasons include rising Japanese nationalism and a recent visit by the Japanese Premier to the Yasukuni Shrine in Tokyo, which commemorates Japan's war dead, including some war criminals from the time of Japan's invasion of China in the 1930s. But underneath that diplomatic spat over history is a struggle for power and influence in East Asia that is increasingly straining Beijing-Tokyo relations. "The China-Japan relationship in the near term is more tense and worrisome than the potential for conflict elsewhere in the region," says Thomas Christiansen, an expert in Asian security at Princeton University.

Of course, nobody expects China to forget the past. The war launched by Japan's militarist leaders killed an estimated 20 million Chinese. During the Rape of Nanjing in 1937-38, soldiers butchered 300,000 civilians, according to Chinese figures. Most Japanese are aware of what happened but their society has never engaged in the type of introspection common in Germany after the Holocaust. Carefully worded official apologies have landed far short of the five-star kowtow demanded by Beijing, senior Tokyo officials occasionally deny atrocities and just last April a new government-approved textbook written by right-wing groups downplayed the wartime brutality visited on civilians.

The problem is that just as Japanese soldiers once dehumanized Chinese, Beijing's propaganda often paints Japanese as pure monsters. Grade school textbooks recount the callous brutality of Japanese soldiers in graphic detail, and credit the Communist Party with defeating Japan. (Another reason for Japan's surrender, it says, was the atomic bombs dropped by the U.S.) More moderate voices are silenced. A 2000 film by one of China's leading directors, Jiang Wen, remains banned because it depicted friendliness between a captured Japanese soldier and Chinese villagers. Although the film showed plenty of brutality, censors ruled that "Devils at the Doorstep" gave viewers "the impression that Chinese civilians neither hated nor resisted Japanese invaders."

Why keep up the propaganda onslaught 60 years after Japan's surrender? Many suspect China's unelected leaders hope to use anti-Japan sentiment to buttress their own legitimacy. Ever since the Tiananmen Massacre of 1989, support for the Communist Party has rested on the shaky foundation of economic growth. Nationalism, by contrast, could prove more enduring. "Reviving war memories keeps the nation united against Japan, and behind the party," says Beijing-based writer Liu Xiaobo. It's a risky strategy. Anti-Japan sentiment grew into rowdy street protests in Beijing and Shanghai in April, which the quickly government suppressed for fear they could spin out of control. But until China's leaders have some new pillar of legitimacy, Liu predicts, "the Japanese will stay devils in China."



Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/ ... z1AoUnS4VK

[SunWuKong]

This picture in the middle of the street doesn't exist.

[SunWuKong]

Read what they wrote: "one forth of the population of the earth, the population of china hate japanese" ("hate it's like a sickness")
"the young generation of china is anti japan"

http://hi.baidu.com/pbassintel/blog/ite ... 52499.html

[SunWuKong]

Edited.

[SunWuKong]

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_do_chines ... ese_people


Why this question above???

[SunWuKong]

All this forum speak about the reasons why chinese people hate japanese, so they are ALL wrong?

http://www.jref.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28270

[SunWuKong]

http://www.fanri.cn/html/7/2010-12-07/content-116.html
You can read chinese, can you tell everybody what it is written?

[SunWuKong]

Chinese restaurant in the street:"animals and japanese forbidden", that's because most of chinese like japan?



Will you tell us this is not what is written?

[SunWuKong]

"Ever-present anti-Japan sentiment in China"

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/ ... 21,00.html

[SunWuKong]

Anti-Japanese sentiment is felt very strongly in China and is a phenomenon that mostly dates back to modern times (post-1868). Like many Western powers during the era of imperialism, Japan negotiated treaties that often resulted in the annexation of land from China towards the end of the Qing Dynasty. Dissatisfaction with Japanese settlements and the Twenty-One Demands by the Japanese government led to a serious boycott of Japanese products in China.

Today, bitterness in China persists[citation needed] over the atrocities of the Second Sino-Japanese War and Japan's post-war actions (particularly the perceived lack of a straightforward acknowledgment of such atrocities and Japanese historic revisionism in textbooks), and is stoked up by the Chinese government for political purposes.[20] These remain contentious issues, and anti-Japanese sentiment is still very strong in China[citation needed].

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Japanese_sentiment

[SunWuKong]

New York Times:

In fact, it was in the 1990s, when Japan was still China-friendly and the main aid provider to Beijing, that the Chinese Communists began a "political education" campaign demonizing Japan for its past atrocities. That campaign laid the groundwork for the upsurge of nationalism and the deterioration of China- Japan relations.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/15/opini ... 92316.html

[SunWuKong]

http://www.wyzxsx.com/Article/Class4/201009/182275.html

Not against Japan?

[SunWuKong]

"Japan should be destroyed by a nuclear bomb"

[SunWuKong]

[SunWuKong]

Against Japan education history books

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Chinese Eartquake in 2008:

Infuriated by the Japanese authorities for rushing ahead with plans to send the military transporter planes – and with their own government’s apparent acquiescence to the scheme – Chinese websites quickly filled with messages condemning the plan.

The informal invitation to Japan’s SDF raised eyebrows on both sides of the East China Sea when it emerged earlier this week – although diplomatic relations between Beijing and Tokyo are now visibly on the mend after many years of acrimony, the issue of Japan’s historical imperialism remains a flashpoint of anti-Japanese sentiment for the Chinese public.

http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/05/30/an ... e-victims/

[SunWuKong]

Washingtonpost, 2005:

The decision to keep Beijing calm showed Chinese authorities wanted to calibrate the popular rage against Japan

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/ar ... Apr16.html