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Re: Sky Regional Pilot Contract

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Sharing that wealth across the board equated to what exactly? 1 dollar per hour for everyone?
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True, but Jazz charged $150/hr Thomas Cook. So that is more than what year one Rouge pilots will get.

Sky, Encore....i won't even get into it anymore...it's been discussed in other threads on avcanada and general consensus is that pilots are their own enemies. If you could get an upgrade or some jet time sooner then later, we would put our own mothers on Kijiji in an instant :lol:
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AutoPilot Off wrote:Sharing that wealth across the board equated to what exactly? 1 dollar per hour for everyone?
Sounds about right. Could you tell me how the top few pilots getting to make way more than the rest does anything for pilot morale and unity? How flying a 757 is any harder than a DHC8? How so many training events required to fill one spot since everyone wants more money is any good for a company's bottomline?

Status pay has been debated to death so I won't continue with it except to say that comparing Jazz's 757 pay to SRs is just dumb.
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"Status pay has been debated to death so I won't continue with it except to say that comparing Jazz's 757 pay to SRs is just dumb."

Can you elaborate ? how is it different in your opinion ?
and btw i don't know what Jazz paid the 57 drivers was it status quo status pay ?
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Sorry if I sound annoyed just a bit, but the status pay at jazz and the b757 pay rate ($155/hr) has really been hammered to death on this forum already...Search button can help a lot.
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Maybe I should be doing a deeper search before posting...so apologies if already covered.

I am just curious about the $155.00 per hour rate on the B757.
Was there an annual guarantee & a monthly guarantee? Ie. 83hrs a month & 1000hrs per year?
Hard time or Credit time?
Over time rate?

Not that it matters anymore, but depending on the formula..."$155.00 per hour" might not be so bad?
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I believe guys were blocking 80-85hrs/month. Over time would kick in after 85hrs (Don't take my word for it).

But really, it doesn't matter, because if you are trying to figure out how much would the crew get paid flying that B757, you are on the wrong path. The money was pooled and spread amongst 1300+ Jazz pilots, giving everyone a minimal raise. The 757 crew would be paid at their respective Jazz pay scale. The idea was if the fleet grew to 20+ wide body jets it would be a meaningful raise (plus the obvious company growth) but it never happened for whatever reason.
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Thank you Mig29

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Guys have started to receive post-interview calls for the EMB starting out soon.
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Cisbour wrote:Guys have started to receive post-interview calls for the EMB starting out soon.
They actually found guys with no self worth who will work for those wages? :lol:
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Inverted2 you are a complete retard.
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Inverted2 wrote:
Cisbour wrote:Guys have started to receive post-interview calls for the EMB starting out soon.
They actually found guys with no self worth who will work for those wages? :lol:
Better than that we're talking about 704 PICs in a decent company running for their lives to fly the EMJ to get some jet time and get the @#$! outta there..This is not making any good to us. Talking about a long term salary drop here...
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With the high turnover expected, how long before SR implements a training bond?
On the Dash side it only took about 8-10 months to go from new hire to number one on the FO side, I wonder what it'll be like for the E175.
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Cisbour wrote:
Inverted2 wrote:
Cisbour wrote:Guys have started to receive post-interview calls for the EMB starting out soon.
They actually found guys with no self worth who will work for those wages? :lol:
Better than that we're talking about 704 PICs in a decent company running for their lives to fly the EMJ to get some jet time and get the @#$! outta there..This is not making any good to us. Talking about a long term salary drop here...
Maybe they will realize what they are doing to this industry and hang their heads low as you walk by them in the terminal. And if they dont, they should
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snowball wrote: Maybe they will realize what they are doing to this industry and hang their heads low as you walk by them in the terminal. And if they dont, they should
Some of these hired are laid off pilots from Air Transat and First Air that have no choice, a lot are getting direct entry captain spots which will somewhat cover their old salaries. I'm sure you have a better suggestion for them :roll:
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Oh good god. Those excuses again to justify ruining the industry. Tired of hearing it. Well hopefully those pilots you are referring to have kids that want to be pilots. When they grow up and ask dad went the salaries ate sh*t, hopefully he won't lie and tell them the truth. I have a family too and have been out of work. Turned down many crap paying jobs so I don't wanna hear that crap tippy are feeding. They are killing the industry. Simple as that
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snowball wrote:Oh good god. Those excuses again to justify ruining the industry. Tired of hearing it.
I'm happy to hear you turned down jobs because you had the opportunity too in order to protect this industry, not everyone has that luxury in this crap shoot, specially when they don't have to move their entire family somewhere else in this country. I hope you never have to go through what those guys are going through because I know a few that couldn't turn down 74k/year vs going on EI.

If you feel you should give them a dirty look because of it, I guess its a free country.
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Just throwing this out there to people that can take a contract overseas for short periods and make very decent cash. Who knows maybe make sexy time on this one
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Ok so let me get this right. What you are saying is its ok to take this pay, then next time 65k a year is ok, then 45k a year and so on. But all because of the feed the family thing. Yeah great solution. Oh I didnt say we should give these guys dirty looks. If they held their head down no one would have to.

Some pilots out there are trying to better the industry, some are making it worse. I support the first type.
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aerodude,

I understand what you are trying to say...but buy taking these low pay jobs EVERYONE loses. How can't people see this. Worse yet, when airlines start to 'fall in line' with new Sky or Encore pay-scales, Jazz, Porter, Transat, AC and WJ will have to sacrifice their pay checks or face layoffs...IF these guys hold back the line and take lay offs instead of sliding this industry even further down, who will be responsible for their new EI claims???

Go back to beginning to find out the answer...
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Awesome idea guys, just awesome. Let's advocate people turning down a job paying more then EI because of principle? Let these people allow their families to starve and not be able to pay the bills because they can't find a job in the non aviation world because apparently they're over qualified (I mean they're pilots!! Why would they want to drive a cab or deliver pizzas or work in another minimum wage job!).

I am all for higher pay, believe me I am. However, I fully understand the position of those who accept a job that pays what this one does. People accept this pay because they have a choice of a) not being able to support their family in their current situation or b) sucking up their pride and just doing it as it pays more than EI. The day you can show these people how to not lose their shirts to financial ruin because they found out that EI just doesn't cut it for those people with a family is the day I would support your argument.

Until then, what right do you have to belittle people trying to do the best they can with the current situation they are in? Enlighten me....please.
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One way is for everyone to refuse that job offer and make companies pay more.....I know, wishful thinking, right :roll: But it's an idea....what's yours? Other then justifying their side? That's easy, but what do you suggest, propose.....please, tell me....

I don't know, I'm just as confuZed as you...
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You can't expect people out of work with or without families to not take jobs. If you guys feel so strongly about not taking these sky regional jobs then maybe you could give up your job, go on EI and let them work? thought not.

The solution to the problem has to involve everyone not just the ones taking the poor jobs. Particularly it has to involve those at the top of the food chain with those good high paying jobs. There needs to be one common voice, union, professional association, whatever that represents everyone. The "common voice" would then need to support those people out of work, or at least set the bar for compensation, maybe set the standards to becoming an ATPL. Pilots put a lot of money into these "unions", my ALPA contribution last year was somewhere around 2 grand, surely we could put that money to better use.

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If I had the answer BELIEVE me, I would share it with everyone.

Until then I understand and grudgingly accept what our industry is and what it is becoming. I have a family to support so if the situation calls for it, I would do what I had to do within reason to make sure they are fed and have a roof over their head.

I also do not persecute others with families who might be affected by any layoffs at some of the larger Canadian airlines and choose to take a job like this as it pays more then EI or similar to what they are making now. Especially if those people had to leave their families behind in search of work (or a job replacement even) and wanted a job closer to home to be with them.

To sit back and say just don't take the job or maybe if everyone said no it would be different is not really looking at the big picture. There will always be someone in this situation and the bean counters/executives know this.
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