New hire bids

[pitottubey]

My friend is a jazz FO and he gets calls from scheduling every day practically begging him to work overtime on all his days off. There will not ever be a shortage of people qualified and willing to be hired by Jazz to be FOs, but they might be short on, and maybe will continue to be short on, currently trained and experienced FOs.

Your friend experience is not representative of the whole pilot group. It depends a lot on the base and type. Lots of guys and gals on sitting reserve not being called.

Obviously not every FO will be equally busy Tango. What's currently happening to my friend can be reasonably expected to be more widespread as a pilot hiring increases at AC. We're not just talking about the present, we're talking about the present as an indicator for the future.

[rudder]

Obviously not every FO will be equally busy Tango. What's currently happening to my friend can be reasonably expected to be more widespread as a pilot hiring increases at AC. We're not just talking about the present, we're talking about the present as an indicator for the future.

By YE2022 Jazz will have sent 170-200 pilots to AC. By YE2022 Jazz will have hired approximately 200 pilots.

For 2023, Jazz will send approximately 300 more pilots to AC with the possibility of more (depends how many remaining Jazz pilots are qualified and eligible). For 2023, Jazz will likely be hiring 350-500 pilots. Jazz attrition extends beyond flow to AC.

[ellinas]

Obviously not every FO will be equally busy Tango. What's currently happening to my friend can be reasonably expected to be more widespread as a pilot hiring increases at AC. We're not just talking about the present, we're talking about the present as an indicator for the future.

By YE2022 Jazz will have sent 170-200 pilots to AC. By YE2022 Jazz will have hired approximately 200 pilots.

For 2023, Jazz will send approximately 300 more pilots to AC with the possibility of more (depends how many remaining Jazz pilots are qualified and eligible). For 2023, Jazz will likely be hiring 350-500 pilots. Jazz attrition extends beyond flow to AC.

How easy or hard would it be to find the 500 pilots good enough to get hired at Jazz? Are we pumping them out at a good pace or would there be difficulties

[jpilot77]

Obviously not every FO will be equally busy Tango. What's currently happening to my friend can be reasonably expected to be more widespread as a pilot hiring increases at AC. We're not just talking about the present, we're talking about the present as an indicator for the future.

By YE2022 Jazz will have sent 170-200 pilots to AC. By YE2022 Jazz will have hired approximately 200 pilots.

For 2023, Jazz will send approximately 300 more pilots to AC with the possibility of more (depends how many remaining Jazz pilots are qualified and eligible). For 2023, Jazz will likely be hiring 350-500 pilots. Jazz attrition extends beyond flow to AC.

How easy or hard would it be to find the 500 pilots good enough to get hired at Jazz? Are we pumping them out at a good pace or would there be difficulties

The problem is that Jazz needs guys who can go direct entry Captain or very close to that.

[rudder]

How easy or hard would it be to find the 500 pilots good enough to get hired at Jazz? Are we pumping them out at a good pace or would there be difficulties

The law of supply and demand will eventually hit home. The ab initio FO stream will not suffice.

Jazz needs DEC or near DEC candidates. Economics will eventually dictate outcomes. That is unless some kind of reserved seniority/metered flow is agreed to and implemented. Or perhaps both will be necessary to ensure that the applicant experience stream meets the anticipated attrition rate and demographics.

[ogopogo]

Zero

What did they take if they didn’t take the DEC?

The CA spots become FO spots if no one wants DEC. So all 19 took FO position

Why would a candidate not take the CA offer?

[rudder]

Why would a candidate not take the CA offer?

Because after they tick the box they actually have to pass the training. New equipment type. New company. New procedures. New routes. And pass a command course at a 705 carrier including command LOFT Sim, line Indoc, and CA line check.

Would appear that most new-hires recognize their own limitations. Wise choice.

[tango308]

Why would a candidate not take the CA offer?

Because after they tick the box they actually have to pass the training. New equipment type. New company. New procedures. New routes. And pass a command course at a 705 carrier including command LOFT Sim, line Indoc, and CA line check.

Would appear that most new-hires recognize their own limitations. Wise choice.

Rumor is the DEC fail rate expected to be high, around 80%.

[RockSalty]

Why would a candidate not take the CA offer?

Because after they tick the box they actually have to pass the training. New equipment type. New company. New procedures. New routes. And pass a command course at a 705 carrier including command LOFT Sim, line Indoc, and CA line check.

Would appear that most new-hires recognize their own limitations. Wise choice.

Rumor is the DEC fail rate expected to be high, around 80%.

What happens to someone if they end up failing the captain course, are they moved to an FO one or are they getting the boot?

[Turboprops]

Why would a candidate not take the CA offer?

They made it very clear that, if a DEC fails training, there’s no protection written in the CBA.

When the CBA was written, no one thought DEC would be a thing. It states that if a candidate fails an upgrade, you go back to your previous position.

Well, what’s DEC’s previous position?

[rudder]

Why would a candidate not take the CA offer?

They made it very clear that, if a DEC fails training, there’s no protection written in the CBA.

When the CBA was written, no one thought DEC would be a thing. It states that if a candidate fails an upgrade, you go back to your previous position.

Well, what’s DEC’s previous position?

As a probationary employee (12 months) your employment status is at the discretion of the company. The bar for termination is lower than for non-probationary employees (including technical competency).

Logic would dictate that the pilot would re-qualify as an FO on same type with an embargo on further upgrade opportunities for a specified period of time. If unsuccessful at qualifying as an FO, then certainly jeopardy would exist.

Thus far, this is uncharted territory.

[kiaszceski]

Why would a candidate not take the CA offer?

They made it very clear that, if a DEC fails training, there’s no protection written in the CBA.

When the CBA was written, no one thought DEC would be a thing. It states that if a candidate fails an upgrade, you go back to your previous position.

Well, what’s DEC’s previous position?

As a probationary employee (12 months) your employment status is at the discretion of the company. The bar for termination is lower than for non-probationary employees (including technical competency).

Logic would dictate that the pilot would re-qualify as an FO on same type with an embargo on further upgrade opportunities for a specified period of time. If unsuccessful at qualifying as an FO, then certainly jeopardy would exist.

Thus far, this is uncharted territory.

Maybe that's why they rescinded the job ads into 2 ads: DEC and FO.
They now prefer 3000 hours of total time, 1000 hours of multi-engine turbine time and at least 500 of command time on a multi-engine aircraft.

[Papi]

Sorry if this is a little off the current topic. But does anyone on here know how long I will be waiting to hear back whether or not I passed my sim eval? I had it on august 24th and they said they would let me know in a couple weeks if I passed or not, but they still haven’t said yes or no. A couple days after the sim they emailed me letting me know they want to move forward with the hiring process which required me to get the background check, medical, and reference check. Does that mean I passed the sim eval? And how much longer should I be waiting to hear back from them. So far they’ve done the background check/drug test, and references but they still haven’t had me do a medical. Thanks in advance.

[yhz41]

Sorry if this is a little off the current topic. But does anyone on here know how long I will be waiting to hear back whether or not I passed my sim eval? I had it on august 24th and they said they would let me know in a couple weeks if I passed or not, but they still haven’t said yes or no. A couple days after the sim they emailed me letting me know they want to move forward with the hiring process which required me to get the background check, medical, and reference check. Does that mean I passed the sim eval? And how much longer should I be waiting to hear back from them. So far they’ve done the background check/drug test, and references but they still haven’t had me do a medical. Thanks in advance.

If they sent you for the drug test and reference check you passed the sim eval. Typically, no news is good news so I wouldn't worry. There is no medical outside of the drug test. Typically you can reach out to HR and ask for a status update, they usually don't mind telling you what's up.

[maverick12]

Sorry if this is a little off the current topic. But does anyone on here know how long I will be waiting to hear back whether or not I passed my sim eval? I had it on august 24th and they said they would let me know in a couple weeks if I passed or not, but they still haven’t said yes or no. A couple days after the sim they emailed me letting me know they want to move forward with the hiring process which required me to get the background check, medical, and reference check. Does that mean I passed the sim eval? And how much longer should I be waiting to hear back from them. So far they’ve done the background check/drug test, and references but they still haven’t had me do a medical. Thanks in advance.

Did you do the sim eval in YVR or YYZ? That might affect the timeline

[kiaszceski]

Sorry if this is a little off the current topic. But does anyone on here know how long I will be waiting to hear back whether or not I passed my sim eval? I had it on august 24th and they said they would let me know in a couple weeks if I passed or not, but they still haven’t said yes or no. A couple days after the sim they emailed me letting me know they want to move forward with the hiring process which required me to get the background check, medical, and reference check. Does that mean I passed the sim eval? And how much longer should I be waiting to hear back from them. So far they’ve done the background check/drug test, and references but they still haven’t had me do a medical. Thanks in advance.

Did you do the sim eval in YVR or YYZ? That might affect the timeline

I'm curious, why would YVR be longer than YYZ? Both have their own Chief Pilots and their Line ops manager take a look at the candidate application, don't they?

[Papi]

Sorry if this is a little off the current topic. But does anyone on here know how long I will be waiting to hear back whether or not I passed my sim eval? I had it on august 24th and they said they would let me know in a couple weeks if I passed or not, but they still haven’t said yes or no. A couple days after the sim they emailed me letting me know they want to move forward with the hiring process which required me to get the background check, medical, and reference check. Does that mean I passed the sim eval? And how much longer should I be waiting to hear back from them. So far they’ve done the background check/drug test, and references but they still haven’t had me do a medical. Thanks in advance.

If they sent you for the drug test and reference check you passed the sim eval. Typically, no news is good news so I wouldn't worry. There is no medical outside of the drug test. Typically you can reach out to HR and ask for a status update, they usually don't mind telling you what's up.

Ok thanks, I’ll try to get a hold of hr

[Papi]

Sorry if this is a little off the current topic. But does anyone on here know how long I will be waiting to hear back whether or not I passed my sim eval? I had it on august 24th and they said they would let me know in a couple weeks if I passed or not, but they still haven’t said yes or no. A couple days after the sim they emailed me letting me know they want to move forward with the hiring process which required me to get the background check, medical, and reference check. Does that mean I passed the sim eval? And how much longer should I be waiting to hear back from them. So far they’ve done the background check/drug test, and references but they still haven’t had me do a medical. Thanks in advance.

Did you do the sim eval in YVR or YYZ? That might affect the timeline

My sim eval was in Vancouver!

[maverick12]

Sorry if this is a little off the current topic. But does anyone on here know how long I will be waiting to hear back whether or not I passed my sim eval? I had it on august 24th and they said they would let me know in a couple weeks if I passed or not, but they still haven’t said yes or no. A couple days after the sim they emailed me letting me know they want to move forward with the hiring process which required me to get the background check, medical, and reference check. Does that mean I passed the sim eval? And how much longer should I be waiting to hear back from them. So far they’ve done the background check/drug test, and references but they still haven’t had me do a medical. Thanks in advance.

Did you do the sim eval in YVR or YYZ? That might affect the timeline

My sim eval was in Vancouver!

Heard yvr people might take slightly longer. What experience did you apply with?

[Boeingman]

looks like theyre tearing down the YYZ DH8 sim at CAE

[Papi]

Did you do the sim eval in YVR or YYZ? That might affect the timeline

My sim eval was in Vancouver!

Heard yvr people might take slightly longer. What experience did you apply with?

Ya sounds like I might have to wait until 2023 before Training if they do offer me the job.
ATPL
2300 hrs tt
2000 PIC
500 Multi
No multi crew though

[RobertChow]

My sim eval was in Vancouver!

Heard yvr people might take slightly longer. What experience did you apply with?

Ya sounds like I might have to wait until 2023 before Training if they do offer me the job.
ATPL
2300 hrs tt
2000 PIC
500 Multi
No multi crew though

I passed my sim eval in YVR the 22nd of August. They contacted me 3 days later saying that I passed and were contacting my references. 2 weeks later was in the pool.

[maverick12]

My sim eval was in Vancouver!

Heard yvr people might take slightly longer. What experience did you apply with?

Ya sounds like I might have to wait until 2023 before Training if they do offer me the job.
ATPL
2300 hrs tt
2000 PIC
500 Multi
No multi crew though

Good luck man, that’s good experience, there’s still 3 GSs left this year after Sept so fingers crossed for you

[Papi]

Heard yvr people might take slightly longer. What experience did you apply with?

Ya sounds like I might have to wait until 2023 before Training if they do offer me the job.
ATPL
2300 hrs tt
2000 PIC
500 Multi
No multi crew though

I passed my sim eval in YVR the 22nd of August. They contacted me 3 days later saying that I passed and were contacting my references. 2 weeks later was in the pool.

Congrats, that's awesome! They emailed my references on the 7th so hopefully don't have to wait too much longer to hear back.

[kiaszceski]

Heard yvr people might take slightly longer. What experience did you apply with?

Ya sounds like I might have to wait until 2023 before Training if they do offer me the job.
ATPL
2300 hrs tt
2000 PIC
500 Multi
No multi crew though

I passed my sim eval in YVR the 22nd of August. They contacted me 3 days later saying that I passed and were contacting my references. 2 weeks later was in the pool.

If you have MPIC I expect them to call you very soon!