Truckers convoy

[‘Bob’]

“Peaceful protesters”

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/ ... -1.6351112

It’s now at the point of indigenous pipelines blockades.. where RCMP with full military hardware were flown in by the score to deal with armed protesters.

No G20 protestors had centrefire rifles and pistols.

We have court injunctions not being enforced.

We have both cities and provinces declaring states of emergency.

Go….. home….

[pelmet]

Also, I see the pro-seditionists of this forum are rather silent about the RCMP arresting 11 people at/near Coutts whom had firearms, ammunition and body armour...

Hadn't heard that. Maybe they come along with those bouncy castle thingies I keep hearing about on this forum. Perhaps...defensive rubber bullets to defend the rubber castles.

[7ECA]

https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/alberta-rcmp ... -1.5780676

https://globalnews.ca/news/8618494/albe ... on-seized/

https://calgaryherald.com/news/local-ne ... s-blockade

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/202 ... otest.html

https://lethbridgenewsnow.com/2022/02/1 ... d-charges/

"Unfortunately", these are all from the "Legacy Media", so we know the supporters of the movement will refuse to believe it.

https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/news/2022 ... r-blockade

[rookiepilot]

Are we creeping a little closer to Martial Law yet?

I recall that was laughed at.

Question.

Once JT gets the premier’s sign off on the act, what would stop him from ordering the military in?

[pelmet]

Are we creeping a little closer to Martial Law yet?

I recall that was laughed at.

Question.

Once JT gets the premier’s sign off on the act, what would stop him from ordering the military in?

"Personally, I don't like this politician much but he is bang on.....

he right of protest is integral to — and strengthens — our democracy. Citizens have the right to make their voices heard loud and clear every day and not just at the ballot box.

Canadians are frustrated and tired with all they have endured. Those who don’t like being compelled to get vaccinated to get on an airplane, visit a restaurant, or enter a land border by car or truck can grab a sign and fill our public squares. Indeed, there is ample valid opinion that many Canadian governments have over reached and politicized COVID for partisan benefit. The debate over the decisions made by governments over COVID measures and their impacts on our overall health began prior to and will continue long after the trucks occupying Parliament Hill and our vital infrastructure are gone.

Every government in Canada has struggled with the pandemic. Many of the restrictions can’t be explained in a way people understand. What is understandable, and one might even applaud, are those who grab a sign and parade around Parliament Hill or their own provincial or town gathering place to demonstrate their anger and lack of confidence in their governments.

But what we have seen in the occupation of Ottawa and blockages at border crossings is not the right of protest enshrined in our constitution, but illegal activity that represents a national security and economic threat to Canada. Leaving aside the stated manifesto of the organizers to overthrow the government, these protests are weakening our economy and disrupting the freedoms of law-abiding citizens.

No doubt the convoy of truckers and others who now control downtown Ottawa were buoyed by the welcome mat extended by elected officials; those who swore an oath to protect Canadian institutions. Hypocritically, one day members of Parliament clamour for rail blockades to come down and then the next they cheer on those who boast of their illegal intent and then paralyze supply chains, impede traffic and restrict ordinary citizens from the peaceful enjoyment of their lives.

Local law enforcement has proven to be unwilling or incapable of dealing with these threats. On Saturday, they ceded ground and the security perimeter around the National War Memorial and the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier to the most virulent of protestors. Lines were drawn to prevent or stall the refuelling of trucks, but were then immediately crossed.

The challenging work of law enforcement is made more difficult when being undermined by elected officials. Aside from allowing them to set up, local police have proven to be no match for a few anarchists and lawbreakers, some with extensive military and police experience schooled in tactics and likely civilian responses. Among their leaders are Daniel Bulford, a former RCMP officer who protected the prime minister; Tom Quiggin, former RCMP and intelligence officer who gave testimony to Standing Committee on Public Safety and National Security in 2015; and, Tom Marazzo, who claims a 25-year military career.

This is not freedom, it’s anarchy on display at the threshold of our democracy.

While Canada may be divided on pandemic restrictions, we believe the country is united in the view that illegal blockades and occupations are wrong and that court injunctions should be enforced.

We need a serious solution to a serious problem that is proportionate to the challenge. Getting serious means having the intelligence and conviction to minimize whatever disruptions are evident and imminent. We ask how it is a 21-year-old could file an effective injunction to deal with the horn-honking of the convoy while City of Ottawa solicitors contemplated their options? How much different it would have been had the Ottawa Police positioned concrete barriers around the Parliamentary precinct and allowed a controlled flow of vehicles into the downtown core. We support the proposals to put the streets within the Parliamentary district into federal hands so there is clarity about who is responsible and accountable for public and parliamentary safety.

But why would the occupiers leave? They are gaining worldwide notoriety with impunity. The cash and bitcoin donations roll in. They believe authorities are not a threat to their moment of fame.

So, what’s next?

As a rule, let’s affirm that negotiations with those committing illegal acts is a terrible precedent. National security threats, which we are now facing, need to be led by our national security force, the RCMP, through the use of the Emergencies Act. They have the strength, intelligence, methods and capability that no single municipality can muster.

We cannot be selective about what blockades we tolerate and those we resist. All illegal activity whatever the cause needs to be treated the same — regardless of the sympathies of the government of the day.

Illegal activity cannot shape government policy. In this circumstance, governments should follow the science and not be afraid to alter COVID policies even if that’s what the anarchists and protesters say they want.

When Quebec Premier François Legault said last week the protests had no influence on his decision to begin lifting restrictions, he humorously added, “If they want to take credit and not come back in two weeks, I wouldn’t be opposed to that.” It would be far less humorous if frustrated citizens confronted the lawbreakers and violence ensued.

Finally, with all forewarning, Canada must deliberately apply the rule of law in a way that leaves no doubt that injunctions will be enforced and that those who do not comply face severe financial and other legal consequences. The warning might have the desired effect to bring the blockades to an end, but this will only happen if the organizers sense resolve and strength in the forces the RCMP can muster.

We have had massive protests in Ottawa that were peaceful and advanced the goals of the organizers. The 30,000 from Canada’s Tamil community who came to Parliament Hill in 2009 to speak out against violence and civil war in Sri Lanka were heard loud and clear and offer lessons on what purposeful, lawful and effective protest looks like.

It’s not just our capital and our borders that are under threat but the rule and law and how we function as a democracy. So far, we are setting a very bad precedent that has only emboldened copycats who have witnessed consequence-free anarchy. If we are serious as a country about our values, we need to stand up for them and not let lawlessness prevail."

By Peter McKay

[pelmet]

Double post

[rookiepilot]

Useless commentary. He is saying what shouldn’t be allowed, not what should be protected.

Did the PM do any of this (invoke War Measures) after 56 churches were burned, etc?

Why not?

Is what is happening in Ottawa more violent or illegal than 50 churches attacked?

What did the PM say immediately after that happened?

Again, WHAT is legal protest?

I doubt I get an answer to these important questions. Everyone is too attached to their alternate reality.

Note: I look at the protests in Ottawa and the ones on the border crossings VERY differently from a “rights” POV. Can’t block infrastructure. Can’t have weapons.

I also said a week ago they should leave Ottawa.

I just want to see all of this treated equally, it isn’t.

[7ECA]

Again, WHAT is legal protest?

Section 2(c) guarantees the right to peaceful assembly; it does not protect riots and gatherings that seriously disturb the peace: R. v. Lecompte, [2000] J.Q. No. 2452 (Que. C.A.). It has been stated that the right to freedom of assembly, along with freedom of expression, does not include the right to physically impede or blockade lawful activities: Guelph (City) v. Soltys, [2009] O.J. No. 3369 (Ont. Sup. Ct. Jus), at paragraph 26.

https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/csj-sjc/r ... art2c.html

Read it directly from the Federal Department of Justice.

McKay is on to something, and that's saying something for that fellow.

[pelmet]

Again, WHAT is legal protest?

I doubt I get an answer to these important questions. Everyone is too attached to their alternate reality.

Obviously you are incapable of figuring that out.

But you are a good example of the things that Trudeau has unleashed. By not dealing with previous bad actors appropriately, more bad actors have been emboldened and are willing to their presence felt.

[88gtst]

Funny, Trudeau was happy to support the Indian farmers protest, which blocked of blocks of a city. Impacted farming, food supply etc. But a few weeks of inconvenient honking in Ottawa is suddenly sedition.

Give me a fucking break. This PM will go down in the history books, and not in a positive manner.

[hithere]

pretty sure none of those Indian farming protestors had guns or ammo with them like some of current ones do

[Inverted2]

Had no trouble joining the BLM protests either. (thankfully not in costume )
Not that BLM would ever participate in any violence, property destruction or have any guns of course.

[tsgarp]

Again, WHAT is legal protest?

I doubt I get an answer to these important questions. Everyone is too attached to their alternate reality.

Obviously you are incapable of figuring that out.

But you are a good example of the things that Trudeau has unleashed. By not dealing with previous bad actors appropriately, more bad actors have been emboldened and are willing to their presence felt.

Jesus Fucking Christ, you’re nothing but a nascent Brown Shirt, you are exactly the sort of drooling twit that would have been loading people into box cars in 1939. @#$! Off.

[pelmet]

Again, WHAT is legal protest?

I doubt I get an answer to these important questions. Everyone is too attached to their alternate reality.

Obviously you are incapable of figuring that out.

But you are a good example of the things that Trudeau has unleashed. By not dealing with previous bad actors appropriately, more bad actors have been emboldened and are willing to their presence felt.

Jesus Fucking Christ, you’re nothing but a nascent Brown Shirt, you are exactly the sort of drooling twit that would have been loading people into box cars in 1939. @#$! Off.

And those brownshirt people that you are ridiculously accuse me of being, are coming for people like you. So get prepared.

[rookiepilot]

Again, WHAT is legal protest?

I doubt I get an answer to these important questions. Everyone is too attached to their alternate reality.

Obviously you are incapable of figuring that out.

But you are a good example of the things that Trudeau has unleashed. By not dealing with previous bad actors appropriately, more bad actors have been emboldened and are willing to their presence felt.

Jesus Fucking Christ, you’re nothing but a nascent Brown Shirt, you are exactly the sort of drooling twit that would have been loading people into box cars in 1939. @#$! Off.

Be patient.
He’s just frustrated that live CBC coverage of riot police cracking the heads of the many children in Ottawa hasn't happened yet.
Screwing up his entertainment schedule.

[pelmet]

Obviously you are incapable of figuring that out.

But you are a good example of the things that Trudeau has unleashed. By not dealing with previous bad actors appropriately, more bad actors have been emboldened and are willing to their presence felt.

Jesus Fucking Christ, you’re nothing but a nascent Brown Shirt, you are exactly the sort of drooling twit that would have been loading people into box cars in 1939. @#$! Off.

Be patient.
He’s just frustrated that live CBC coverage of riot police cracking the heads of the many children in Ottawa hasn't happened yet.
Screwing up his entertainment schedule.

viewtopic.php?p=1179114&hilit=meds#p1179114

Been a full three weeks now.

[‘Bob’]

[quote=pelmet post_id=<a href="tel:1183585">1183585</a> time=<a href="tel:1644877660">1644877660</a> user_id=4697]
[quote=rookiepilot post_id=<a href="tel:1183581">1183581</a> time=<a href="tel:1644876600">1644876600</a> user_id=53090]
Again, WHAT is legal protest?

I doubt I get an answer to these important questions. Everyone is too attached to their alternate reality.

Obviously you are incapable of figuring that out.

But you are a good example of the things that Trudeau has unleashed. By not dealing with previous bad actors appropriately, more bad actors have been emboldened and are willing to their presence felt.

Jesus Fucking Christ, you’re nothing but a nascent Brown Shirt, you are exactly the sort of drooling twit that would have been loading people into box cars in 1939. @#$! Off.

No. That’s you.. fighting on the streets, trying to usurp the legal government through threats, gaining support through lies.

Kristallnacht, the Ghettos, the Final Solution… that’s what comes after you and your compatriots who have been duped by lies forces the government to fall.



And rookie. What is legal protest? Obeying court orders, police instructions, and going home after your point is made. Not an occupation in perpetuity awaiting the fall of the government. These people have been afforded the patience few other groups ever have.

[CpnCrunch]

Its pretty straightforward. Illegal means breaking existing laws, such as blocking roads or bridges. They are not making protests in ottawa illegal in general. They are simply making it possible to enforce those existing laws.

[Inverted2]

It’s going to go 1 of 2 ways. Justin will step down even though his inflated ego says otherwise, or it will be he Tiananmen Square moment. I don’t see either side blinking.

[doiwannabeapilot]

Tiananmen Square.........hmmmm. Well our Supreme Leader does love China.

It’s going to go 1 of 2 ways. Justin will step down even though his inflated ego says otherwise, or it will be he Tiananmen Square moment. I don’t see either side blinking.

[rookiepilot]

Obviously you are incapable of figuring that out.

But you are a good example of the things that Trudeau has unleashed. By not dealing with previous bad actors appropriately, more bad actors have been emboldened and are willing to their presence felt.

Jesus Fucking Christ, you’re nothing but a nascent Brown Shirt, you are exactly the sort of drooling twit that would have been loading people into box cars in 1939. @#$! Off.

No. That’s you.. fighting on the streets, trying to usurp the legal government through threats, gaining support through lies.

Kristallnacht, the Ghettos, the Final Solution… that’s what comes after you and your compatriots who have been duped by lies forces the government to fall.



And rookie. What is legal protest? Obeying court orders, police instructions, and going home after your point is made. Not an occupation in perpetuity awaiting the fall of the government. These people have been afforded the patience few other groups ever have.

Fair, what does that mean though? One hour? One day? One week?

[pelmet]

But I thought it was all inflatable, bouncy castles for kids....

"In B.C., four people were arrested for mischief at the protest near the Pacific Highway Border Crossing in Surrey, B.C., and Mounties say they are in the process of gathering evidence against a number of others who allegedly assaulted officers.

In Alberta, RCMP issued a press release saying it recently became aware of a "small organized group" within the Coutts protest that had access to a cache firearms and ammunition.

According to the release, RCMP executed a search warrant Monday on three trailers associated with the criminal organization that resulted in the arrest of 11 individuals and the seizure of long guns, handguns, body armour, a machete and a "large quantity" of ammunition.

During an update on Monday afternoon, Alberta RCMP Supt. Roberta McKale said police have since seized two more firearms and arrested an additional person.

"We acted as soon as we could," McKale said. "These weapons were brought by people who had the intent on causing harm. If there are more to be found we will find them."

Officers are also investigating a charge of conspiracy to commit murder, McKale added.

During a news conference with organizers of the Ottawa convoy, Lich refused to answer whether any of the truckers in Ottawa had weapons in their trucks and abruptly ended the conference.


In addition, Alberta RCMP say a large farm tractor and a semi truck, both involved in the blockade, attempted to ram a police vehicle near the blockade on Sunday. Police have since seized the vehicles and are working to locate the suspects."




Bouncy, inflatable castles folks. You heard it here on Avcanada.

[rookiepilot]

But I thought it was all inflatable, bouncy castles for kids....

"In B.C., four people were arrested for mischief at the protest near the Pacific Highway Border Crossing in Surrey, B.C., and Mounties say they are in the process of gathering evidence against a number of others who allegedly assaulted officers.

In Alberta, RCMP issued a press release saying it recently became aware of a "small organized group" within the Coutts protest that had access to a cache firearms and ammunition.

According to the release, RCMP executed a search warrant Monday on three trailers associated with the criminal organization that resulted in the arrest of 11 individuals and the seizure of long guns, handguns, body armour, a machete and a "large quantity" of ammunition.

During an update on Monday afternoon, Alberta RCMP Supt. Roberta McKale said police have since seized two more firearms and arrested an additional person.

"We acted as soon as we could," McKale said. "These weapons were brought by people who had the intent on causing harm. If there are more to be found we will find them."

Officers are also investigating a charge of conspiracy to commit murder, McKale added.

During a news conference with organizers of the Ottawa convoy, Lich refused to answer whether any of the truckers in Ottawa had weapons in their trucks and abruptly ended the conference.


In addition, Alberta RCMP say a large farm tractor and a semi truck, both involved in the blockade, attempted to ram a police vehicle near the blockade on Sunday. Police have since seized the vehicles and are working to locate the suspects."




Bouncy, inflatable castles folks. You heard it here on Avcanada.

I always thought you had repressed dreams as an NTSB investigator, and being the star of “Mayday”.

I think though you wish could could have been a Swat team commando, and starring role on “Cops”.

[Inverted2]

Let’s not forget this is the same RCMP who admitted yesterday in Alberta that they deliberately damaged several excavators by cutting electrical and hydraulic lines and put spray foam in fuel tanks. I wouldn’t be surprised to the least that those gun were planted there by the RCMP on orders from the higher-ups to help their cause.

[Just another canuck]

…