Good day,

If traveling on personal travel domestically within the USA can a Canadian pilot with valid RAIC in uniform expect the same Liquid and Gels exemptions as in Canada? I don't see why not as we receive it while on duty in the US, however thought I would see if anyone had any personal experiences or been given grief over their XL tube of Vaseline?

Pm15

Why would a Canadian Pilot, holder of a RAIC card be travelling domestically in the USA for personal reason in UNIFORM ?

Hahahahahaha….busted!

If you are caught trying to skirt any security restrictions as a passenger for personal reasons as opposed to operating, deadheading or commuting you will lose your RAIC. Trying to do it in the states might have tougher consequences.

60N30W wrote:Why would a Canadian Pilot, holder of a RAIC card be travelling domestically in the USA for personal reason in UNIFORM ?

Because he's jumpseating.

You're not trying to circumvent rules. You just show up in uniform at security with your bags and RAIC. If they take liquids away, then so be it but they probably won't. Then you walk up to the counter and ask for the JS.

The US system is a million times better than the crap we have to put up with in Canada (AIF's, waiting on hold). I even got the actual JS in the US once when the flight was full.

Bebe

I figured it was for jumpseating......

As to jumpseating in uniform I can understand being in uniform to go from YWG to YYZ to start your pairing right away. No reason to be in uniform to go from DEN to LAX on personal travel. Every airline allows jumps eaters to be in uniform or business casual, if you are jumpseating for personal reasons should stick to business casual since the fast majority of carriers frown on their pilots wearing their uniform when not on duty.....

As to you getting the jumpseat on an American carrier, how long ago was that?

Regards

Even if you're jump seating the privileges granted to flight crew in terms of security screening only apply to those deadheading, commuting or operating. Regardless of whether you are in uniform or not. As far as I've ever experienced.

Perhaps I wasn't clear enough. My apologies. I used the term personal travel to attempt to differentiate from being deadheaded while on duty. Commuting travel is what I was referring to.

Let me provide the following example just to be as clear as possible.
Pilot lives in Windsor Ontario and works in Calgary. Loads are full on AC so pilot decides to travel on Delta from Detroit with one or two domestic stopovers prior to getting to Calgary. Does said pilot need to worry about the TSA taking his liquids?

Hopefully clear now. My understanding is their is nothing illegal about any of the above example (ie uniform with valid RAIC etc). All I wanted to know was whether the same liquid and gel exemptions apply?

Thanks for those who responded who seemed to understand what I was getting at with the question.

Pm15

When I travel in uniform but not as part of the crew, I do not have any security pass visible. I believe that this is for use only when it is needed when you are part of the officially listed crewmembers.

Therefore, I travel with the same restrictions as the passengers because I am a passenger.

Pelmet in Canada, the purpose of the trip has nothing to do with the LAG restrictions. If you are operating a flight, with a RAIC visible, but are not in uniform, even if you go through crew screening (bypass) you are restricted to 100ml. On the other hand, if you are going for your friend's wedding, without your RAIC, through regular passenger screening, wearing your uniform, you are allowed to exceed LAG restrictions.

It's the uniform that permits the transubstantiation from explosive water into secure water, nothing else.

In Canada, when you are on the secure side, at any airport, while in uniform you must display your RAIC. Also while commuting in uniform you are exempt from LAGS.
I suggest you contact the TSA and find out what their rules are and I also suggest you contact Transport Canada to get the latest security memo, as well you might want to find a copy of RAIC responsibilities, your local airport authority will have that.
I carry a copy of the above stated policies, as no RAIC equals no job

Sorry about the miss understanding. I would also consider carrying a copy of your pairing sheet to prove that you are working. Technically CATSA agents can ask for it from deadheading crews going through bypass although how they would know you were deadheading is beyond me.

I've known of several crews commuting from the states and never heard of any LAG restrictions for them.