Overseas Trip
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Overseas Trip
Happy new year to all. I was hoping to find someone with information regarding flying around the middle east. I'v never done it before. It's in best interest to be a valuable asset to my Captain as suppose to him being a giant baby sitter. Can you recommend any reading material. This will be my first crossing, therefore, all the help would be appreciated.
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Do you have time to do an International Procedures Course?
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For the crossing read http://www.icao.int/EURNAT/EUR%20and%20 ... bkmrks.pdf
Know how to make position reports, request oceanic clearances properly.
(That's my personal pet peeve, guys bumbling through those.)
Understand how to use the NAT plotting chart and how to check for gross navigation errors.
ETP's and PNR's.
As for Europe and the Middle East there is nothing earth shatteringly different than flying in Canada. The things that are different you'll learn from the Captain.
Enjoy it!!
Cheers, Roar
Know how to make position reports, request oceanic clearances properly.
(That's my personal pet peeve, guys bumbling through those.)
Understand how to use the NAT plotting chart and how to check for gross navigation errors.
ETP's and PNR's.
As for Europe and the Middle East there is nothing earth shatteringly different than flying in Canada. The things that are different you'll learn from the Captain.
Enjoy it!!
Cheers, Roar
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There is a Jeppesen Chart called "Atlantic Orientation Chart 1/2". In the margins it lists all the procedures including the frequencies for obtaining oceanic clearance. All the enroute information is there too - including HF VOLMET frequencies.
As you get into Europe you will be dealing with different accents - can be hard to understand.
You will also be talking to controllers for whom English is not their primary language - don't speak too fast and use standard terminology.
As you get further East you should have your overflight permit number(s) handy in case they ask for it. Some countries don't talk to each other so you will sometimes need to call them 10 minutes before reaching the FIR Boundary.
Altimeter settings will be in Hectopascals not inches and visibility will be in m and km not feet and statute miles.
As said previously - it's a flight between 2 points. Enjoy!
As you get into Europe you will be dealing with different accents - can be hard to understand.
You will also be talking to controllers for whom English is not their primary language - don't speak too fast and use standard terminology.
As you get further East you should have your overflight permit number(s) handy in case they ask for it. Some countries don't talk to each other so you will sometimes need to call them 10 minutes before reaching the FIR Boundary.
Altimeter settings will be in Hectopascals not inches and visibility will be in m and km not feet and statute miles.
As said previously - it's a flight between 2 points. Enjoy!
Always fly a stable approach - it's the only stability you'll find in this business
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I second the above statement. In addition, have your landing permit numbers ready.
Also, study your plates and charts before you fly a particular leg. Multiple times I have been cleared for a specific departure and routing only to have the radar or area controller say my particular routing was unavailable. Being somewhat familiar with the different waypoints will make your life easier when this happens. Pakistan I found was particularly bad. The countries around the Persian gulf have excellent ATC but many, many IFR routes in a very confined area.
Also, study your plates and charts before you fly a particular leg. Multiple times I have been cleared for a specific departure and routing only to have the radar or area controller say my particular routing was unavailable. Being somewhat familiar with the different waypoints will make your life easier when this happens. Pakistan I found was particularly bad. The countries around the Persian gulf have excellent ATC but many, many IFR routes in a very confined area.
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See if you can get a current copy of the AP/2, it's our go-to resource for flying into/over random countries all over world. Here is an old copy I found online to give you an idea what type of info it gives you. http://www.vusaf.us/OBF14/maps/ap2.pdf
The hardest part is the accents and the sometimes confusing/non-standard terminology some controllers in the middle east use, it's nothing cosmic though.
The hardest part is the accents and the sometimes confusing/non-standard terminology some controllers in the middle east use, it's nothing cosmic though.
