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Canadian North Reductions
Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2015 6:34 pm
by p226
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/can ... -1.2900278
Canadian North to make staffing changes due to drop in charters
Canadian North anticipates having to make staffing changes as a result of low oil prices and Alberta oil companies' scaled back demand for charter services.
The airline says there will be workforce adjustments. It would not elaborate whether there will be layoffs, but a letter from the Canadian North president distributed to employees describes the changes.
Steve Hankirk wrote the company is bracing for a “significant loss in revenue for 2015” as a result of the drop in oil prices and “all departments and employee groups will be affected by the erosion in our business.”
I don't think this is the first time that the airline has suffered because of the Oil patch, but they rode it out well last time.
Re: Canadian North Reductions
Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2015 11:26 pm
by ThatArmyGuy
Heard around the water cooler that it's 10+ pilots and a bunch more flight attendants being laid off.
Re: Canadian North Reductions
Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2015 1:55 am
by loopa
Heard 2500 CNRL workers told to go home which is a big chunk of 5T flying.
All you gotta do is punch in MPE in flight aware
http://flightaware.com/live/fleet/MPE and what used to be 7-8 flights flying at a time is now 0, maybe 1 or 2 at a time. Hope people aren't affected too harshly by this. I also heard Suncor is laying off 1000 workers.
Any word on Esso? Husky? Shell workers? I haven't heard anything from those companies yet.
I keep hearing that flying into the oil sands won't stop, especially for the higher ups / management / etc. However, flying the rig workers and etc will come to an end until oil recovers.
Re: Canadian North Reductions
Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2015 12:03 pm
by YYCcrew
Up to 12 pilots and up to 30 Flight Attendants. Bunch of office staff laid off as well. Everyone is cheering for the cheap gas but anyone connected to the Oil & Gas industry is facing tough times. Hopefully this down turn doesn't last too long.
Re: Canadian North Reductions
Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 11:28 am
by ThatArmyGuy
YYCcrew wrote:Everyone is cheering for the cheap gas but anyone connected to the Oil & Gas industry is facing tough times. Hopefully this down turn doesn't last too long.
+1
I inform my family out east that this cheap gas isn't going to only affecting AB. I'd rather have to pay $1 at the pump then 64.4 any day.
Re: Canadian North Reductions
Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 11:46 am
by Diadem
ThatArmyGuy wrote:I inform my family out east that this cheap gas isn't going to only affecting AB. I'd rather have to pay $1 at the pump then 64.4 any day.
Yeah, I only gas up about once a month, so the ten bucks that I'm saving don't help me much. Lower prices could, however, significantly impact my family's incomes. I'd much rather pay the extra ten bucks and know that we aren't going to have issues paying our mortgage.
Re: Canadian North Reductions
Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 7:17 am
by dhc#
Any update ?
Re: Canadian North Reductions
Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 9:12 pm
by tbaylx
dhc# wrote:Any update ?
As posted above by YYCcrew. That's accurate for the time being and hopefully that's it and we start upgrading and recalling by the end of the year.
Re: Canadian North Reductions
Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2015 11:03 pm
by Panama Jack
ThatArmyGuy wrote:YYCcrew wrote:Everyone is cheering for the cheap gas but anyone connected to the Oil & Gas industry is facing tough times. Hopefully this down turn doesn't last too long.
+1
I inform my family out east that this cheap gas isn't going to only affecting AB. I'd rather have to pay $1 at the pump then 64.4 any day.
Not me. As with any situation, a drop of prices means some lose, others will. Decreasing energy prices usually serve as a catalyst to the overall economy.
Re: Canadian North Reductions
Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 6:50 am
by altiplano
I'm with PJ.
Don't take it wrong, I never like to see guys laid off.
But what has been happening in the oils sands was not sustainable even at high oil prices. Poor governance tilted everything in our economy toward a boom never ending at all cost and now it's been pissed away... The economy will adjust itself, other industries will benefit.
Re: Canadian North Reductions
Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 10:44 am
by tbaylx
Other industries will benefit but its a net loss to Canada over all. We're a resource based economy and oil revenues/jobs are a significant part of the national GDP. The gains in other sectors won't make up for the overall loss
Re: Canadian North Reductions
Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 12:11 pm
by complexintentions
I'm not sure that you can call an economy that has less than 8% of GDP tied to oil and gas, a "resource-based" economy.
Which isn't to say that that particular industry and province aren't going to get absolutely hammered, but it isn't the only game in town.
Re: Canadian North Reductions
Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 10:08 pm
by tbaylx
complexintentions wrote:I'm not sure that you can call an economy that has less than 8% of GDP tied to oil and gas, a "resource-based" economy.
Which isn't to say that that particular industry and province aren't going to get absolutely hammered, but it isn't the only game in town.
Natural resources are around 50% of our exports and 15% of our GDP. I'd say that's significant. Oil 17% of that and contributes 18 bil a year to fed gov coffers. I'd call that resource based.
Re: Canadian North Reductions
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 5:14 pm
by pelmet
A little off topic but....reading a several month old Wings magazine article about the potential airline merger, it says that Canadian North has been flying for 80 years. Where would that all come from?
Re: Canadian North Reductions
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 5:41 pm
by plhought
I think some journalists/people consider Canadian North the last surviving vestiges of Canadian Pacific/Pacific Western/Canadian Airlines International....hence the 80 year thing.
Re: Canadian North Reductions
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 10:05 pm
by tbaylx
plhought wrote:I think some journalists/people consider Canadian North the last surviving vestiges of Canadian Pacific/Pacific Western/Canadian Airlines International....hence the 80 year thing.
Yup, we still operate some CP aircraft and use the "Empress" callsign. In one form or another it's been around that long.
Re: Canadian North Reductions
Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:13 pm
by plhought
I do love that "Empress" callsign.
Although hopefully no-one confuses Air Canada/Trans-Canada's history with R1s use of "Trans-Canada"
Re: Canadian North Reductions
Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:26 pm
by whiteguy
plhought wrote:I do love that "Empress" callsign.
Although hopefully no-one confuses Air Canada/Trans-Canada's history with R1s use of "Trans-Canada"
The "Trans Canada" call sign was also used by Air Canada Regional prior to becoming Jazz.
Re: Canadian North Reductions
Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 7:41 pm
by palebird
Last surviving. How touching. For how long?
Re: Canadian North Reductions
Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 10:17 pm
by tbaylx
palebird wrote:Last surviving. How touching. For how long?
Until we merge with 7f
Rumors of 5T's demise have been greatly exaggerated, it ain't fun right now but to paraphrase Monty Python "we're not quite dead yet, actually I think we're feeling a bit better"
Re: Canadian North Reductions
Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2015 5:01 am
by boxcut
Re: Canadian North Reductions
Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2015 10:40 am
by Old fella
10 yrs ago I did some consulting work in YZF and flew Canadian North from YEG - return, at that time service to me was A+. Had a hot meal, real cup for the coffee and the staff(counter and in-flight) were top notch. It was some time ago but reflecting back I do remember my experiences with CN.
Re: Canadian North Reductions
Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2015 10:53 am
by whiteguy
Cruise ship charters, I think they did them last year to.
Re: Canadian North Reductions
Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2015 11:33 am
by Rowdy
I miss the Cafe franklins! Always great service on Can North.
Re: Canadian North Reductions
Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2015 2:07 pm
by Kosiw
Is 5T still going to keep replacing the old 737-200s with -300s even with the current price of oil affecting business out west ?