Sunwing says they want 145 seasonal pilots - genuine?

[M. Essaie]

Is this for real or just more smoke-blowing in the direction of Giles?

If it's for real, does anyone have a contact with whom one could discuss positions for trainers and/or examiners?

[timel]

My bet, it is the same old joke.

They pretend they seriously seek 145 candidates, put the ad over a few times, then they go to government and pretend there found no qualified candidates available and they need tfw.

I mean SW guys on this forum already know how many TFW will be coming for next season.

[Kosiw]

Anyone else starting to feel used by the Sunwing hiring/TFW shell game, having sent in a resume (yes qualified) and never hearing anything?

[acpoolie]

When u say qualified, u mean 37 typed? I know of two turbo prop drivers who had interviews both on the Short list. I never got a call either.

[ehbuddy]

With the current downsizing of Canjet I would assume Sunwing will have no problems finding good candidates. Lets sit back and see what happens.

[Gilles Hudicourt]

Don't hold your breath. They will hire foreigners.

[frog]

Does anyone know what bases across Canada it will be ? (as mentioned in the ad)

[gonnabeapilot]

Does anyone know what bases across Canada it will be ? (as mentioned in the ad)

For those that will be hired into permanent positions: Sunwing operates with two permanent pilot bases; Toronto and Montreal. All Sunwing pilots are officially based in one of these two cities and basing is entirely dependent on seniority. Just prior to the start of the summer season as well as the winter season a bid is held for additional bases that will be in operation for that season. For summer 2015 these bases are Calgary and Vancouver. For winter 2014/15 these bases were Quebec City, Winnipeg, Edmonton, Calgary and Vancouver. This bid is awarded based first on permanent address and then on seniority. People who have a address in the base they are bidding on are given priority. So essentially if you live in Vancouver you will be awarded the Vancouver base over the #1 seniority pilot who bid Vancouver but lives in Toronto. The fact that Vancouver and Calgary appear on both the summer and winter base list also means that someone can live and work in Vancouver and Calgary year round even though they officially hold a permanent base position in Toronto or Montreal.

People who are hired into permanent positions this spring will be based in either Montreal or Toronto and will have their first opportunity to bid on seasonal bases in September for the winter 2015/16 seasonal bases.

For those hired into seasonal positions: These pilots will have an opportunity to bid for any of the permanent/seasonal bases that will be in operation for winter 2015/16. The difference is that these positions will only be awarded after all permanent Sunwing pilots have had an opportunity to bid.

As far as numbers go, last I heard we are hiring 28 pilots for permanent positions this spring and we will be hiring between 50-60 pilots mid summer for seasonal positions. There will also be around 100 European pilots who will be returning next winter which is an identical number to this winter even though the fleet will grow by 5 aircraft.

[frog]

Thanks, a bunch of good info !

[Scuba_Steve]

I'm sure they are snatching up a few NG rated guys from Canjet these days as well...

[aerosexual]

I think all the offers for permanent positions went out as of Friday. Unless anybody declines or drops out, that should be it, with less than half of the offers being type-rated pilots (i.e. Canjet) and the rest non-rated. I would imagine those that did well but did not receive offers for this round will possibly be offered a seasonal position later in the summer.

[Gilles Hudicourt]

until the Canadian pilot quota is filled (just enough to statisfy the deal they made with ESDC) , then the rest, the majority, will need to be filled with TFW, including ALL the seasonal Captains slots

[TFTMB heavy]

What is the compensation for a seasonal pilot and how long is the contract for?

[Geronimo]

TFTMB
-Hourly pay rate is 68$ ( x2 if you want to fly on a day off)
-minimum guarantee is 80..90 hours/ month( depending of the month)
-the seasonal contract usually lasts from august-September( ground course,sim..)..till end of May.

Cheers.

[JoeyBarton]

Is Sunwing still planning 2 GS for the 28 permanent spots? One in late April and one in May?

[TFTMB heavy]

TFTMB
-Hourly pay rate is 68$ ( x2 if you want to fly on a day off)
-minimum guarantee is 80..90 hours/ month( depending of the month)
-the seasonal contract usually lasts from august-September( ground course,sim..)..till end of May.

Cheers.

Does this include any form of insurance or vacation pay?

[timel]

TFTMB
-Hourly pay rate is 68$ ( x2 if you want to fly on a day off)
-minimum guarantee is 80..90 hours/ month( depending of the month)
-the seasonal contract usually lasts from august-September( ground course,sim..)..till end of May.

Cheers.

Does this include any form of insurance or vacation pay?

You should consider working for Sunwing through TUI... AKA Travel Service, you could even be a captain and fly under the Sunwing flag for Canadian PAX next winter.

Requirements:
You will only need 3000 hours to be a captain or 250 hours to be an Junior FO (pay: 660€/months for 737NG) and you will self sponsor your interview and type rating.
http://www.pilotjobsnetwork.com/jobs/Travel_Service

And you need to have those legal rights in order to be able to fly Canadian PAX:
https://www.pilotcareercentre.com/Air-C ... el+Service

* Must hold valid EU Passport / Citizenship.
* Must have legal right to live and work in Europe.
* Must hold JAA/EASA Pilot Licence and Medical.

SW will say, yes but this goes under our wet lease agreement.
Fact is those working conditions are so crap, Europeans are using it as a stepping stone to move out ASAP and they are not eligible for a TFW agreement.

Technically SW is supporting pay to fly schemes.

[FICU]

Beauty post Timel!

Cadet program entry requirements: EASA Part-FCL CPL + ATPL theory ICAO Level 4+ Min 100 hrs PIC time MEP / IR + MCC Boeing 737NG Type Rating (advantageous) Accept any base + Junior FO Salary for 18 months We also require our pilots to be available 24h and 365 day a year. It requires to live at their permanent base. Our pilots also have to accept difficult lifestyle with many changes in the roster and a lot of long stays outside permanent bases including half years stays in Canada.  

So Sunwing is bringing over junior cadet F/Os who are being forced to put up with a ridiculous contract with Travel Service. How many of these poor sods are living in depressive conditions?

Just one more reason I would not fly with Sunwing.

[gonnabeapilot]

You should consider working for Sunwing through TUI... AKA Travel Service, you could even be a captain and fly under the Sunwing flag for Canadian PAX next winter.

One small correction on this.... Travel Service is not a part of the TUI group and as far as I'm aware they do not have any form of commercial relationship with TUI aside from the fact that both companies partner with Sunwing. But ya, their working conditions suck. They have managed to cement their relationship with Sunwing though based on the fact that they're one of the few companies out there that are willing to sign short term 737NG leases on power by the hour contracts and so here we are.... That being said, I will still say that due to the nature of their operation TVS has some of the most worldly pilots I have flown with and that poor working conditions should never be confused with poorly skilled pilots. I would much rather put my family on an aircraft operated by some of the TVS crews I've had the pleasure to work with than some of the 'Canadian to the core' pilots I have come across during my aviation career.

[FICU]

and that poor working conditions should never be confused with poorly skilled pilots.

I'm more concerned with their mental state being slaves to TVS, in debt up to their eyeballs, and forced to deploy to Canada.

[monkey]

I see the Sunwing fan club is back, just as a fyi tvs is in much better financial shape than c north. That and their pilots due relatively well for where they live and generally enjoy coming here because they make more. There are no 250 hr pilots flying for swg. And ficu transat used some Travel service aircraft this winter so what does that say. That and canjet used foreign pilots on behalf of transat.

That being said it is unfortunate canjet is reducing crews, after transat decided to take away their flying. Nobody likes to see anyone out of work.

If any of you are interested in working for swg I would talk to an actual pilot there and discregard half of what is written on here. It is a great job.

[Gilles Hudicourt]

Air Transat dry leased two 737s from TVS. No pilots.

I also think that Sunwing will be a good company to work for. They need 28 full time pilots at the end of this month and in early May, and another 145 pilots in August and September. So I guess the 68 Canjet pilots who got their pink slips, all of which are type rated and experienced on the B737NG, can count on Sunwing for at least a seasonal job this next winter, plus 77 other Canadian pilots ?

And because Sunwing will need upwards of 200 Captains next winter and that it does not have over 200 pilots who can be captains out of the 260 Canadian pilots who were at its service this year, those Canjet pilots who were Captains at Canjet can count on Sunwing for a seasonal Captains positions next winter without first having to apply for a foreign passport ?

Right Monkey ? Or are you just monkeying around with these Canadian pilots, with their lives, their families and their mortgages ?

Sunwing has already announced that in the batch of 145 pilots for which it has an ad with a hiring date of Aug and Sept, that only 40 of those will be Canadians. That leaves 105 poistions that will be your TFW buddies.

Part of a message from Mark Hughes, chief pilot for Sunwing Airlines, to the Canjet MEC:

We have completed our pilot hiring for the Spring. However, we intend to hire 40+ pilots on seasonal contract starting around August/September 2015 and running until 31 May 2016. We would give preference for interview to these CanJet pilots, or any other B737C qualified pilots who are able to work in Canada. The contract for each pilot is specific to a particular Sunwing base where there is vacancy; we will likely have opportunities across our network from YVR in the west to YQB in the east. Although there are no guarantees that this seasonal contract will lead to permanent employment, in the past two years we have been in the fortunate position is being able to offer permanent employment to a good number of our seasonal pilots prior to the end of their contract term.

We are happy to receive applications from these pilots as soon as possible, and interviews will likely start in May. I would be grateful if you could spread the word to the CanJet pilots that if they are interested in working for SWG they can send an application and resume/CV to Nancy Furtado, Sunwing Flight Operations Coordinator, at nfurtado@flysunwing.com. I would also ask that they include the words “CanJet Pilot” in the subject header of their email.

Perhaps I just open an email account to receive the Resumes of those Pilots who applied at Sunwing and were not hired, as I did a few years ago ? This will open ESDC's eyes to what is really going on, which a relentless effort by Sunwing to hire as many foreigners as possible, and as little Canadians as possible.

[timel]

I see the Sunwing fan club is back, just as a fyi tvs is in much better financial shape than c north. That and their pilots due relatively well for where they live and generally enjoy coming here because they make more. There are no 250 hr pilots flying for swg. And ficu transat used some Travel service aircraft this winter so what does that say. That and canjet used foreign pilots on behalf of transat.

That being said it is unfortunate canjet is reducing crews, after transat decided to take away their flying. Nobody likes to see anyone out of work.

If any of you are interested in working for swg I would talk to an actual pilot there and discregard half of what is written on here. It is a great job.

I am not a fan of abusing work regulation, that is it.
Yes Sunwing pilots are doing good while their co-workers are earning poverty wages. How can you live well with yourself?

Pretend all you want, when it comes to put real facts on the table, it all becomes silent on one side, I asked a year ago, what was the everage hours of foreign FOs, many times, never got an answer, +3000 hours Canadian pilots a not elligible, but guys who pays for their interviews and ppcs are.

Disregard half of what is written here, yes sure:

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