Hey guys,
Just a quick question, did it change or is it still the same? In order to do freelance on a private aircraft you only need to advise TC by mail, no need to be afiliate to a flight school?
Thanks
Class 3 freelance
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Re: Class 3 freelance
Part 4 of the CAR's explicitly answers your question.timel wrote:Hey guys,
Just a quick question, did it change or is it still the same? In order to do freelance on a private aircraft you only need to advise TC by mail, no need to be afiliate to a flight school?
Thanks
Re: Class 3 freelance
Normally that is what I would do, but the TC website pages keep on scrolling up on my ipad, it makes it impossible to read and I don't have my laptop.
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Re: Class 3 freelance
406.03 (1) Subject to subsections (2) and (3), no person shall operate a flight training service in Canada using an aeroplane or helicopter in Canada unless the person holds a flight training unit operator certificate that authorizes the person to operate the service and complies with the conditions and operations specifications set out in the certificate.
(2) A person who does not hold a flight training unit operator certificate may operate a flight training service if
(a) the person holds a private operator registration document or an air operator certificate, the aircraft used for training — in the case of the holder of an air operator certificate — is specified in the air operator certificate, and the training is other than toward obtaining a pilot permit — recreational, a private pilot licence, a commercial pilot licence or a flight instructor rating; or
(b) the trainee is
(i) the owner, or a member of the family of the owner, of the aircraft used for training,
(ii) a director of a corporation that owns the aircraft used for training, and the training is other than toward obtaining a pilot permit — recreational or a private pilot licence, or
(iii) using an aircraft that has been obtained from a person who is at arm’s length from the flight instructor, and the training is other than toward obtaining a pilot permit — recreational or a private pilot licence.
(3) In the case of flight training conducted under subparagraph (2)(b)(iii), the flight instructor shall
(a) notify the Minister in writing of
(i) the name and address of the person to receive the training,
(ii) the registration of the aircraft to be used,
(iii) the type of training to be conducted,
(iv) the location of the training operations, and
(v) the name and licence number of the flight instructor; and
(b) provide the information to the Minister
(i) prior to commencing training operations,
(ii) within 10 working days after any change to the information, and
(iii) when the training is discontinued.
SOR/2003-129, s. 10; SOR/2014-131, s. 10.
BTW if you click on a particular CAR the page will reset to the beginning while the search engine hamsters do their thing. If you wait the selected CAR will eventually appear.
Note the "notify the Minister" requirement only applies to training for a PPL or CPL
(2) A person who does not hold a flight training unit operator certificate may operate a flight training service if
(a) the person holds a private operator registration document or an air operator certificate, the aircraft used for training — in the case of the holder of an air operator certificate — is specified in the air operator certificate, and the training is other than toward obtaining a pilot permit — recreational, a private pilot licence, a commercial pilot licence or a flight instructor rating; or
(b) the trainee is
(i) the owner, or a member of the family of the owner, of the aircraft used for training,
(ii) a director of a corporation that owns the aircraft used for training, and the training is other than toward obtaining a pilot permit — recreational or a private pilot licence, or
(iii) using an aircraft that has been obtained from a person who is at arm’s length from the flight instructor, and the training is other than toward obtaining a pilot permit — recreational or a private pilot licence.
(3) In the case of flight training conducted under subparagraph (2)(b)(iii), the flight instructor shall
(a) notify the Minister in writing of
(i) the name and address of the person to receive the training,
(ii) the registration of the aircraft to be used,
(iii) the type of training to be conducted,
(iv) the location of the training operations, and
(v) the name and licence number of the flight instructor; and
(b) provide the information to the Minister
(i) prior to commencing training operations,
(ii) within 10 working days after any change to the information, and
(iii) when the training is discontinued.
SOR/2003-129, s. 10; SOR/2014-131, s. 10.
BTW if you click on a particular CAR the page will reset to the beginning while the search engine hamsters do their thing. If you wait the selected CAR will eventually appear.
Note the "notify the Minister" requirement only applies to training for a PPL or CPL
Re: Class 3 freelance
timel wrote:Normally that is what I would do, but the TC website pages keep on scrolling up on my ipad, it makes it impossible to read and I don't have my laptop.
What is that?! It's incredibly annoying. Makes me miss the old format....
Re: Class 3 freelance
I dont like to read just one section, as sometimes the context is lost, but BPF, do I understand correctly that a person can own an airplane and teach their children spouse on it? Ref. 2(b) (1)
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Re: Class 3 freelance
Yes, that's correct.
DId you hear the one about the jurisprudence fetishist? He got off on a technicality.
Re: Class 3 freelance
DanWEC wrote:timel wrote:Normally that is what I would do, but the TC website pages keep on scrolling up on my ipad, it makes it impossible to read and I don't have my laptop.
What is that?! It's incredibly annoying. Makes me miss the old format....
If I click on the link that takes me right away to the article, it is fine. But as soon as I scroll up or down on any of the four website apps I have on the ipad it goes right back up. I guess Transport Canada isn't apple friendly
Re: Class 3 freelance
Why does the Minister wish to be notified of training for a PPL when it is prohibited?Big Pistons Forever wrote:Note the "notify the Minister" requirement only applies to training for a PPL or CPL
"A person who does not hold a flight training unit operator certificate may operate a flight training service if ... the trainee is ... using an aircraft that has been obtained from a person who is at arm’s length from the flight instructor, and the training is other than toward obtaining a pilot permit—recreational or a private pilot licence. In the case of [such] flight training ... the flight instructor shall ... notify the Minister in writing of ... the type of training to be conducted ..."
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What is prohibited?tuqi wrote:Why does the Minister wish to be notified of training for a PPL when it is prohibited?Big Pistons Forever wrote:Note the "notify the Minister" requirement only applies to training for a PPL or CPL
"A person who does not hold a flight training unit operator certificate may operate a flight training service if ... the trainee is ... using an aircraft that has been obtained from a person who is at arm’s length from the flight instructor, and the training is other than toward obtaining a pilot permit—recreational or a private pilot licence. In the case of [such] flight training ... the flight instructor shall ... notify the Minister in writing of ... the type of training to be conducted ..."
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The giving of flying instruction within Canada to a person pursuing a PPL (A/H) in an aeroplane obtained by that person from a flight instructor, at arm's length, who does not operate under an FTU operator certificate.
406.03(2)(b)(iii) covers only training that "is other than toward obtaining a pilot permit—recreational or a private pilot licence." The Minister only wants to be notified of the "other" training because the regulation prohibits training for the purpose of a person becoming qualified with an RPP or a PPL.
406.03(2)(b)(iii) covers only training that "is other than toward obtaining a pilot permit—recreational or a private pilot licence." The Minister only wants to be notified of the "other" training because the regulation prohibits training for the purpose of a person becoming qualified with an RPP or a PPL.
Re: Class 3 freelance
I think BPF had a brain fart and meant *not* for a PPL.tuqi wrote:Why does the Minister wish to be notified of training for a PPL when it is prohibited?Big Pistons Forever wrote:Note the "notify the Minister" requirement only applies to training for a PPL or CPL
Re: Class 3 freelance
I always give written notice TC when giving training to an aircraft owner for a recreational permit or a PPL...
Re: Class 3 freelance
Purely out of curiosity, is there a reason to do this when the regulation does not require it?timel wrote:I always give written notice TC when giving training to an aircraft owner for a recreational permit or a PPL...
