Suncor flight dept shutting down?

[Donald]

I heard Encore is taking over their flying.

True? False?

[plhought]

Seriously? Encore?

I can see them maybe scaling back a bit like everyone else but I can't picture Encore jumping in there.

Believe it when I see it I guess

[arctic_slim]

As far as I understand it from people directly involved they are having Westjet do their flying for a period of a month and if it is a success and proves it's doable then they will shut down the flight department.

Im pretty sure that Westjet should be able to handle these flights once the logistincs are fully figured out if they are not already.

[tincanflyer]

Not good to hear.

[dhc#]

Why WJ and not CDN North to take over this flying ?

[fish4life]

WJ has expanded encore quick and perhaps needs to find work for it?

[SgtStroka]

Aaaaaa, yikes! For all those flight departments in Alberta, don't forget to vote Comservative!

[iflyforpie]

Yeah, because the Conservatives control global oil prices.....

[CID]

The oil companies in Canada index their prices to OPEC market prices. They have no obligation to OPEC since we aren't a member state but using OPEC prices has allowed Canadian oil companies to gouge us to the extreme and all they have done is shrug and say they have no control over the market price. Now that OPEC has chosen to tank their prices Canadian oil companies are trying to move away from OPEC prices. Sorry assholes but you can't have it both ways. The government could impose some framework to control their gouging but not with Harper in power.

And where is all that money that made oil executives rich? Probably the same place the Heritage Fund is. Lining the pockets of executives and greasy politicians.

[SgtStroka]

I didn't even mention oil, even though the topic of conversation is oil related, i simply stated vote Conservative!

[fish4life]

The oil companies in Canada index their prices to OPEC market prices. They have no obligation to OPEC since we aren't a member state but using OPEC prices has allowed Canadian oil companies to gouge us to the extreme and all they have done is shrug and say they have no control over the market price. Now that OPEC has chosen to tank their prices Canadian oil companies are trying to move away from OPEC prices. Sorry assholes but you can't have it both ways. The government could impose some framework to control their gouging but not with Harper in power.

And where is all that money that made oil executives rich? Probably the same place the Heritage Fund is. Lining the pockets of executives and greasy politicians.

Actually Canadian oil companies get a lower oil price than most other places due to bottle necks in getting it out, typically oil coming out of western Canada is $5-10 under the widely traded and more we'll know WTI (western Texas intermediate) so before you go spouting your mouth off look into it a bit. The only way to get more money for the oil is to build refineries in Canada so we don't have to get it out and can help with situations like where we are in now where our oil has to make its way down to the gulf coast to get refined and then sent back up to Canada as gas.

[Minimums]

Why WJ and not CDN North to take over this flying ?

Because of their financial shape. Who knows if they'll be around in a couple years. To busy fighting with 7F, loosing money. All over a 'spat' with the other fellow.

[FICU]

With 5T being a private company you sure know a lot about their financial health. 5T has 3 Oil companies under contract and other upcoming charter obligations. BTW the codeshare agreement is working as intended so far.

Any more insight?

[iflyforpie]

I didn't even mention oil, even though the topic of conversation is oil related, i simply stated vote Conservative!

The Conservatives are already in power. I'd say, change something rather than doing the same thing if you really believe that any politicians have power over corporate flight departments.

[rigpiggy]

The oil companies in Canada index their prices to OPEC market prices. They have no obligation to OPEC since we aren't a member state but using OPEC prices has allowed Canadian oil companies to gouge us to the extreme and all they have done is shrug and say they have no control over the market price. Now that OPEC has chosen to tank their prices Canadian oil companies are trying to move away from OPEC prices. Sorry assholes but you can't have it both ways. The government could impose some framework to control their gouging but not with Harper in power.

And where is all that money that made oil executives rich? Probably the same place the Heritage Fund is. Lining the pockets of executives and greasy politicians.

Wasnt it PM and JC who sold off PetroCanada..... I always figured it was so they could say that they have no mknowledge or control

[Minimums]

With 5T being a private company you sure know a lot about their financial health. 5T has 3 Oil companies under contract and other upcoming charter obligations. BTW the codeshare agreement is working as intended so far.

Any more insight?

Helps when you know the people who don't fly the airplanes. I could share more, but no need to air the dirty laundry here.

[FICU]

Helps when you know the people who don't fly the airplanes. I could share more, but no need to air the dirty laundry here.

So you know people at 5T, a private company, with intimate knowledge of the company financials who provides the information to you? Interesting.

[Minimums]

Helps when you know the people who don't fly the airplanes. I could share more, but no need to air the dirty laundry here.

So you know people at 5T, a private company, with intimate knowledge of the company financials who provides the information to you? Interesting.

Helps when you know people, who know people. Networking, the social experiment.

[FICU]

Helps when you know people, who know people. Networking, the social experiment.

Oh... so third party hearsay. Nuff said.

[C208]

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Is there anyway that this move by said company could be involved with the Fort Hills project start up?

[pianokeys]

Is there anyway that this move by said company could be involved with the Fort Hills project start up?

I wouldn't be surprised if Suncors flight dept cant't keep up with both Fort Hills and Firebag. Maybe they will reach out to WS, 5T, WR, etc... for the time being. Fort Hills is starting to ramp up and get serious.

With 5T being a private company you sure know a lot about their financial health. 5T has 3 Oil companies under contract and other upcoming charter obligations. BTW the codeshare agreement is working as intended so far.

Any more insight?

The only insight I can provide is one of the three companies they fly for is cutting their charters in half. But that was to be expected as it was in the contract, its not a surprise. Agreed though, its a private company. We won't know how "bad" things could be until they pull a JetsGo.

[plhought]

Well this sucks. I think it's kind of greasy for Encore to go after this flying when there's other operators more than equipped to handle it.

Alas; money talks, and no doubt Encore gave 'em a competitive rate I suppose.

[Mostly Harmless]

The oil companies in Canada index their prices to OPEC market prices. They have no obligation to OPEC since we aren't a member state but using OPEC prices has allowed Canadian oil companies to gouge us to the extreme and all they have done is shrug and say they have no control over the market price. Now that OPEC has chosen to tank their prices Canadian oil companies are trying to move away from OPEC prices. Sorry assholes but you can't have it both ways. The government could impose some framework to control their gouging but not with Harper in power.

And where is all that money that made oil executives rich? Probably the same place the Heritage Fund is. Lining the pockets of executives and greasy politicians.

Oil, is traded on the open market exactly like every other commodity from Gold to Sugar.

Well this sucks. I think it's kind of greasy for Encore to go after this flying when there's other operators more than equipped to handle it.

Alas; money talks, and no doubt Encore gave 'em a competitive rate I suppose.

Business is business. If there's money there, why shouldn't they go after it? I'm sure if there was a tender, then everyone bid on it.

So far, all I am reading here is rumour. If it's true, it is unfortunate for those who work at Suncor, I hate to see anyone out of work but... if it's going to be, then it's a shark style feeding frenzy to get that work.

[cdnpilot77]

If you are always afraid of the what-ifs in the industry or more specifically In Your company, then you are going to lead pretty angry stressful life. There are simply way too many variables to concern yourself with.

My feeling (an educated guess) is that they are trying to find efficiencies in their own system and there is no better way than a little doom and gloom and fear mongering. I also don't believe that the entire flight department would shut down. They have executive transport that is way too valuable to the upper management to pawn off to the lowest bidder. I suspect the flight department budget will get slashed and the people told to figure how to make it work on the new budget. Concessions and efficiencies.

[Donald]

Sounds a lot like the Shell shutdown and transfer to Flair.

Race to the bottom continues.