how much Multi PIC for Georgian/jazz/porter?

[marakii]

How much minimum multi pic time would be a good start to put on a resume before applying for a first officer gig on Georgian/Porter/Jazz to fly the 1900 or Dash?

I've seen Porter advertise 1000TT but what minimum multi pic do they ask for, etc, etc,.

thanks

[PositiveRate27]

If you want a job and it doesn't list a MPIC requirement, apply for it. You'll never get a job you don't apply for. If you don't get a call back, keep updating the resume as you gain more exp and more MPIC. I personally had an application in at Jazz for years before I ever had a call.

Good luck.

[NickyNick]

Companies don't advertise the true requirements, 3000 plus MPIC BE20 hasn't made the cut at the regionals for me yet.

[SAR_YQQ]

3000 plus MPIC BE20 hasn't made the cut at the regionals for me yet.

If you have 3000 hrs of PIC and haven't been picked up by a regional - I think something is wrong. I know plenty who have less than 1,000hrs MPIC and have been picked up by WJ and AC.

[NickyNick]

3000 plus MPIC BE20 hasn't made the cut at the regionals for me yet.

If you have 3000 hrs of PIC and haven't been picked up by a regional - I think something is wrong. I know plenty who have less than 1,000hrs MPIC and have been picked up by WJ and AC.

Could be because it's all BE20, maybe they are looking for Metro, Dash, Jetstream PIC time. Maybe I need 4000/5000 BE20 PIC while others with Dash PIC need only 500.

[Rowdy]

It's not about MPIC or total time at Jazz it seems. They want good attitude and work ethic with solid CRM skills and the ability to be trained to their standards.

[DanWEC]

Could be because it's all BE20, maybe they are looking for Metro, Dash, Jetstream PIC time. Maybe I need 4000/5000 BE20 PIC while others with Dash PIC need only 500.

You are correct. Georgian won't hire anyone as a direct entry FO onto the 1900 without at least 500 hours of -8 PIC. This is why Porter is about to cut their capt salaries in half, as they know they're just a stepping stone for the 1900 carrot that GGN is dangling. C'mon, you should know this!

[plhought]

You are correct. Georgian won't hire anyone as a direct entry FO onto the 1900 without at least 500 hours of -8 PIC.

Hahah

[goingnowherefast]

The biggest requirement for any of these companies is that you are the type of person that somebody can put up with on a 4 day pairing.
At 1500 hours, you probably know how to fly a plane. With ATPL exams, you probably have the knowledge base. BUT if you are an asshole and nobody wants to fly with you, then they won't hire you.

[iflyroads]

GGN doesn't require any multi pic nor does jazz. Just multi time mostly. Not sure about porters requirements.

[PositiveRate27]

The biggest requirement for any of these companies is that you are the type of person that somebody can put up with on a 4 day pairing.
At 1500 hours, you probably know how to fly a plane. With ATPL exams, you probably have the knowledge base. BUT if you are an asshole and nobody wants to fly with you, then they won't hire you.

To add to that, arrogant, awkward and poor conversationalist.

Lots of people assume that if you are a sky God and can fly an NDB approach, in a blizzard, to mins, inverted that you should automatically be hired over other people with less experience. Major airlines dont leave the fate of its airplanes up to the stick and rudder prowess of its pilots. They leave the fate of their airplanes in the hands of dedicated professionals that know that it takes a coherent crew of people to make the wheels turn, and know that having the ability to communicate and gel with your crew increases it's effectiveness. If you can't play well with others, the airlines will find someone else who can.

[loopa]

Thank you for that great post pos rate! Very true.

[Sky_Conqueror]

NickyNick strikes again with his BE20 outcries. Let me enlighten what has been enlightened thousands and thousands of times ago. 3000 hours and you can't find work? I can only declare that NickyNick is the problem and not the world around in which he so much criticizes.

Example? I'm currently in a hotel in Mississauga and saw and met at least 25 NEW HIRES from the Jazz G/S for February. One guy told me he worked for a known Northwestern Ontario Medevac gig flying Navajos. He only had 1500 hours. Another guy told me he came from a Trubo-Prop cargo operation in southEastern Ontario...with less than 2000 hours.

To inform others in this thread, not to be a Troll, but NickyNick has invaded the many other forums blaming the industry for failing to absorb him despite his high time in the fearless BE20. Seeing a pattern and after experiencing the Jazz New Hires, it is easy to determine that the true problem is the candidate himself, not the plane. If people can attain a Q-400 or RJ job with only piston banger time......than the problem is not the industry, as you guys might have noticed the hiring spree is beginning to show more intense than the 2007 one.

[marakii]

So there is hope for a 51 year old with time between 1000 to 2000 hours to hook up with Jazz?

I wonder how long this hiring spree will last.

Air canada is hiring 280 this year alone.


[/b]quote="Sky_Conqueror"]NickyNick strikes again with his BE20 outcries. Let me enlighten what has been enlightened thousands and thousands of times ago. 3000 hours and you can't find work? I can only declare that NickyNick is the problem and not the world around in which he so much criticizes.

Example? I'm currently in a hotel in Mississauga and saw and met at least 25 NEW HIRES from the Jazz G/S for February. One guy told me he worked for a known Northwestern Ontario Medevac gig flying Navajos. He only had 1500 hours. Another guy told me he came from a Trubo-Prop cargo operation in southEastern Ontario...with less than 2000 hours.

To inform others in this thread, not to be a Troll, but NickyNick has invaded the many other forums blaming the industry for failing to absorb him despite his high time in the fearless BE20. Seeing a pattern and after experiencing the Jazz New Hires, it is easy to determine that the true problem is the candidate himself, not the plane. If people can attain a Q-400 or RJ job with only piston banger time......than the problem is not the industry, as you guys might have noticed the hiring spree is beginning to show more intense than the 2007 one.[/quote]

[Tanker299]

My multi time is just under 1/3 of my total and only half of that is Mpic. I found regional work no problem. Lots of single piston pic.

[marakii]

My multi time is just under 1/3 of my total and only half of that is Mpic. I found regional work no problem. Lots of single piston pic.

If you don't mind me asking , how much time did you have when you got the regional work and what type of plane did you get on?

Thanks

[chipmunk]

The biggest requirement for any of these companies is that you are the type of person that somebody can put up with on a 4 day pairing.
At 1500 hours, you probably know how to fly a plane. With ATPL exams, you probably have the knowledge base. BUT if you are an asshole and nobody wants to fly with you, then they won't hire you.

To add to that, arrogant, awkward and poor conversationalist.

Lots of people assume that if you are a sky God and can fly an NDB approach, in a blizzard, to mins, inverted that you should automatically be hired over other people with less experience. Major airlines dont leave the fate of its airplanes up to the stick and rudder prowess of its pilots. They leave the fate of their airplanes in the hands of dedicated professionals that know that it takes a coherent crew of people to make the wheels turn, and know that having the ability to communicate and gel with your crew increases it's effectiveness. If you can't play well with others, the airlines will find someone else who can.

This.

[Wayans]

Back to the original question - I got on to Porter with enough Multi-PIC to get a Group I IFR and that's it. My multi time was similarly very low. As others have said we focus a great deal on the type of individual you are and how well you work within a team.

That being said I had lots of Turbine time and a years worth of Turbine PIC time. Hope that helps.

[Tanker299]

More then 1500 less then 5000tt ATPL with a mixed bag of time just like everyone I know getting hired. If you get a pfo from one place go onto the next. Dashes CRJs ERJs Metros 1900s. I know over 40 guys who have gotten hired at the regionals. Don't be a douche and know how to work as a team and you should be fine. If you have 2 crew time you have a leg up.

[marakii]

Does porter/jazz/georgian put a value on flight instructing time?


Thanks

[awitzke]

NickyNick strikes again with his BE20 outcries. Let me enlighten what has been enlightened thousands and thousands of times ago. 3000 hours and you can't find work? I can only declare that NickyNick is the problem and not the world around in which he so much criticizes.

Example? I'm currently in a hotel in Mississauga and saw and met at least 25 NEW HIRES from the Jazz G/S for February. One guy told me he worked for a known Northwestern Ontario Medevac gig flying Navajos. He only had 1500 hours. Another guy told me he came from a Trubo-Prop cargo operation in southEastern Ontario...with less than 2000 hours.

To inform others in this thread, not to be a Troll, but NickyNick has invaded the many other forums blaming the industry for failing to absorb him despite his high time in the fearless BE20. Seeing a pattern and after experiencing the Jazz New Hires, it is easy to determine that the true problem is the candidate himself, not the plane. If people can attain a Q-400 or RJ job with only piston banger time......than the problem is not the industry, as you guys might have noticed the hiring spree is beginning to show more intense than the 2007 one.

This.

I flew with the 1500 hours Navajo pilot you're talking about. He's a great fit for Jazz. Sure he doesn't have turbine time but turbine time doesn't = regional job. Personality is key. If you've met the guy you can see why he was hired. I'll miss having him around here in Sioux. Look forward to possibly flying with him again one day at Jazz if I get a chance to work there one day.

[chipmunk]

Does porter/jazz/georgian put a value on flight instructing time?


Thanks

Porter certainly doesn't discount instructing time, however the many pilots there that are former instructors also have turbine and/or bigger airplane experience in 702/3/4/5 or charter ops. 2 crew ops are good on the resume as well. I believe there were a couple of guys hired with only a bunch of instructing time but it's rare. Multi time doesn't seem to be too important... lots of C208/PC12 drivers...

[NickyNick]

quote]


This.

I flew with the 1500 hours Navajo pilot you're talking about. He's a great fit for Jazz. Sure he doesn't have turbine time but turbine time doesn't = regional job. Personality is key. If you've met the guy you can see why he was hired. I'll miss having him around here in Sioux. Look forward to possibly flying with him again one day at Jazz if I get a chance to work there one day.[/quote]

I'm sure many miss those with great personalities that couldn't do a straight in ILS into YRB as well, basic flying skills would have saved their day, personality didn't !!!

[esp803]

Offer is still on the table for a night of free beer Nicky.

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[JMACK]

Could be because it's all BE20, maybe they are looking for Metro, Dash, Jetstream PIC time. Maybe I need 4000/5000 BE20 PIC while others with Dash PIC need only 500.

You are correct. Georgian won't hire anyone as a direct entry FO onto the 1900 without at least 500 hours of -8 PIC. This is why Porter is about to cut their capt salaries in half, as they know they're just a stepping stone for the 1900 carrot that GGN is dangling. C'mon, you should know this!

You almost had me Dan then I remembered oh it's Dan