New hire bids

[yhz41]

If my goal is to be based back in YVR as fast as possible is there any difference between bidding RJ or Q4?

This week, I’d say the RJ…but as soon as you pick the RJ I’m sure the Q will pick back up again..

Thanks! Any idea how long on average I can expect to be based out east?

With all the movement to AC I'd imagine you should get YVR before you're done training

[Turboprops]

This week, I’d say the RJ…but as soon as you pick the RJ I’m sure the Q will pick back up again..

Thanks! Any idea how long on average I can expect to be based out east?

With all the movement to AC I'd imagine you should get YVR before you're done training

Nah, that’s what everyone said but I waited 6 months from first day of ground school to hold YVR on the RJ.
All my classmates that chose the Q got YVR before training’s completed.

[yhz41]

Thanks! Any idea how long on average I can expect to be based out east?

With all the movement to AC I'd imagine you should get YVR before you're done training

Nah, that’s what everyone said but I waited 6 months from first day of ground school to hold YVR on the RJ.
All my classmates that chose the Q got YVR before training’s completed.

You basically just told me I'm right haha. But good I'm glad it worked out. As long as you're not looking for YYC, it works itself out eventually.

[wcpilot]

Thanks! Any idea how long on average I can expect to be based out east?

With all the movement to AC I'd imagine you should get YVR before you're done training

Nah, that’s what everyone said but I waited 6 months from first day of ground school to hold YVR on the RJ.
All my classmates that chose the Q got YVR before training’s completed.

Good to know! How long ago was this?

[Turboprops]

Good to know! How long ago was this?

Got hired last Aug, just got the email for YVR base effective March

[Turboprops]

You basically just told me I'm right haha. But good I'm glad it worked out. As long as you're not looking for YYC, it works itself out eventually.

Well I’m saying the Q will get him YVR faster, based on my personal experience, not that 6 months is long or anything.

[rudder]

174 new pilots required in latest equipment bid - not including anticipated resignation attrition!

For 2023, you can probably add 300+ resignations. AC. Porter. Flair. Morningstar. Cargojet. Sunwing. And the list goes on……

Bid reflects staffing requirements for ‘peak period’ which is summer 2023.

[Babar350]

174 new pilots required in latest equipment bid - not including anticipated resignation attrition!

For 2023, you can probably add 300+ resignations. AC. Porter. Flair. Morningstar. Cargojet. Sunwing. And the list goes on……

Bid reflects staffing requirements for ‘peak period’ which is summer 2023.

I guess it all depends if AC continues hiring Jazz pilots after March. I don't think they've stated it yet.

[rudder]

174 new pilots required in latest equipment bid - not including anticipated resignation attrition!

For 2023, you can probably add 300+ resignations. AC. Porter. Flair. Morningstar. Cargojet. Sunwing. And the list goes on……

Bid reflects staffing requirements for ‘peak period’ which is summer 2023.

I guess it all depends if AC continues hiring Jazz pilots after March. I don't think they've stated it yet.

Using the 60% requirement, AC attrition alone would be 300+. Remains to be seen given pattern of last 12 months (non-compliance with flow terms of the Jazz Pilot CBA).

Regardless, attrition to ‘other than’ AC will probably also be 100+. Porter will become a significant destination for Jazz EMB pilots now that the E2 operation is on the cusp of starting up.

There are also instances of ‘job offered’ and ‘in training’ pilots leaving Jazz for other superior economic and career opportunities.

[Babar350]

174 new pilots required in latest equipment bid - not including anticipated resignation attrition!

For 2023, you can probably add 300+ resignations. AC. Porter. Flair. Morningstar. Cargojet. Sunwing. And the list goes on……

Bid reflects staffing requirements for ‘peak period’ which is summer 2023.

I guess it all depends if AC continues hiring Jazz pilots after March. I don't think they've stated it yet.

Using the 60% requirement, AC attrition alone would be 300+. Remains to be seen given pattern of last 12 months (non-compliance with terms of the Jazz Pilot CBA).

Regardless, attrition to ‘other than’ AC will probably also be 100+. Porter will become a significant destination for Jazz EMB pilots now that the E2 operation is on the cusp of starting up.

There are also instances of ‘job offered’ and ‘in training’ pilots leaving Jazz for other superior economic and career opportunities.

And they still manage to find 20 pilots every 3 weeks to fill the classes...

[rudder]

And they still manage to find 20 pilots every 3 weeks to fill the classes...

IFJazz can find AND retain 20 new-hire pilots every third Monday, it will probably still not keep up with 2023 attrition, not to mention upgrade ability issues.

And if AC flow ratio is not honoured, non-AC attrition rates will increase exponentially.

There needs to be a broader solution reached involving ALL parties. There is no sign that is coming.

[Inverted2]

Any truth to the rumour of Porter offering higher pay scales to start for pilots with E175 time?

[rudder]

Any truth to the rumour of Porter offering higher pay scales to start for pilots with E175 time?

Better rumour (fact?) is Porter offering a $7500 bonus to any employee that refers a successful E170 endorsed pilot applicant……

There are 250+ E170 endorsed Jazz pilots. That is quite a hiring pool if a better offer is made than what Jazz is offering.

[C-GGGQ]

Any truth to the rumour of Porter offering higher pay scales to start for pilots with E175 time?

Better rumour (fact?) is Porter offering a $7500 bonus to any employee that refers a successful E170 endorsed pilot applicant……

That would be fact. Or rather any referral gets a bonus. Less for FO’s more for Q DEC most for e2 DEC. I think the FO was just under $1000, maybe 800? E2 could be that high but i’m not sure exact numbers.

[rudder]

Any truth to the rumour of Porter offering higher pay scales to start for pilots with E175 time?

Better rumour (fact?) is Porter offering a $7500 bonus to any employee that refers a successful E170 endorsed pilot applicant……

That would be fact. Or rather any referral gets a bonus. Less for FO’s more for Q DEC most for e2 DEC. I think the FO was just under $1000, maybe 800? E2 could be that high but i’m not sure exact numbers.

I have heard that in some instances that ‘referer’ and ‘referee’ are splitting the $7500……

It is now the ‘standard’ that a starting B737 CA with Part 705 command experience is worth at least $150/hr on day 1. Porter is offering around $125/hr for a smaller airplane. If a pilot shows up previously endorsed (transferable PPC) requiring just a Porter PPC it should be worth a signing bonus of at least $20k in training cost savings considering reduced training footprint.

[C-GGGQ]

Definitely a possibility. I know that the steakhouse reservation is on my referer if I get in. Just depends on how good friends you are I guess

[rudder]

Definitely a possibility. I know that the steakhouse reservation is on my referer if I get in. Just depends on how good friends you are I guess

Absent a significant pay recalibration and AC flow agreement honoured to the letter, I predict a significant exodus of Jazz E175 pilots to Porter in 2023 continuing in to 2024. We are talking dozens to 100+.

I wonder how long the parties will cling to status quo?

[truedude]

Definitely a possibility. I know that the steakhouse reservation is on my referer if I get in. Just depends on how good friends you are I guess

Absent a significant pay recalibration and AC flow agreement honoured to the letter, I predict a significant exodus of Jazz E175 pilots to Porter in 2023 continuing in to 2024. We are talking dozens to 100+.

I wonder how long the parties will cling to status quo?

I think it is just ego at this point holding them back. I think the idea of treating pilots as an integral part of their operation, and dealing with us on an even playing field to those in the head office is just so unpalatable to them that they will do anything to avoid it.

[rudder]

I think it is just ego at this point holding them back. I think the idea of treating pilots as an integral part of their operation, and dealing with us on an even playing field to those in the head office is just so unpalatable to them that they will do anything to avoid it.

And Porter will send their ‘thanks’ to whomever made that strategic decision.

[truedude]

I think it is just ego at this point holding them back. I think the idea of treating pilots as an integral part of their operation, and dealing with us on an even playing field to those in the head office is just so unpalatable to them that they will do anything to avoid it.

And Porter will send their ‘thanks’ to whomever made that strategic decision.

Just as Westjet is in the west, with their new YEG base and expanded western schedule.

This could all have been avoided if a year ago they up the pay by 20% and made sure the 60% flow was honored. Instead they tried a mickey mouse solution that didn't work. No one trusts them on the 60% flow as a result. And it will cost way more than 20% to fix the flow now.