Soccer Team Charter Down in Columbia on flight from Bolivia to Medellin

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Soccer Team Charter Down in Columbia on flight from Bolivia to Medellin

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The Guardian reports 80 on board the Bae 146 that went down enroute. Six survivors. It was seen flying as low as 150 feet.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/ ... o-medellin
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Night, bad weather, reported electrical failure.
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Anything reported on the maintenance of the aircraft? What were the weather conditions?
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FAD3C wrote:Anything reported on the maintenance of the aircraft? What were the weather conditions?
The report that I read first said the weather was bad. Both reports, including the one below, say an emergency was declared as a result of an electrical failure. There is a flight watch track in this next Guardian article, which says the accident happened 30 clicks south of Medellin. It seems to be in a hold or coming out of the hold/PT at the time contact was lost. The crash site is at a place called Cerro Gordo. So into a hill.

I do recall that Medellin is a difficult approach.

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Now saying electrical failure is speculation. It was on the approach. Fuel exhaustion is also speculated. No sign of fire in the photos. Happened at midnight.
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Rionegro is an extreme steep approach(Medellin)...
With our the DC-8 all the time, yes...but a British Aerospace 146 should have been a piece of cake! What ever could happen?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news ... am-9355287

Nonsense there from Mirror:
The jet split in two when it crashed in mountains shortly at around 10pm local time (3am UK time), shortly before it was due to land.

The hero pilot is reported to have opened a fuel door to release fuel and prevent a huge explosion.

There were 72 passengers and nine crew on board the charter plane, which was taking the 22-man squad to their match against Atletico Nacional.
Few survivors:

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Word is there was "an electrical fault"
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said the weather was bad
Was born too be that way at Rionegro...total opposite of Bogota, the forever good times in this part of Colombia.
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rigpiggy wrote:Word is there was "an electrical fault"
Without trying to be flippant or unfeeling, I had heard that a 146 was '4 oil leaks connected by an electrical fault' right from the start..
Tragic loss to the families and the communities involved...
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North Shore wrote: Tragic loss to the families and the communities involved...
Hoping for the best for the survivors.
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Yeah I hear that it as a Total Electrical Failure, but then again we won't know for sure until the data has been analized. That part of Colombia is very challenging, lots of mountains around. IMC coupled with TEF at night is not a good recipe. What a tragedy.
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I see Summit frequently in and out of YEG (and over my house !!) with the type; its always a different sound than what I'm used to hearing fly overhead. 4 engine platforms of any type are becoming increasing rare these days. I believe North Caribou flys this type and Conair has at least one Airtanker and possibly is converting more.

On the crash, I'm just glad to hear at least 6 survived, by the looks of it, there shouldn't have been any.
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OK, Curiosity got the better of me, I checked the CCAR.

There are 8 registered in Canada

Avro 146 Series RJ100 - 2 with North Cariboo
BAE 146 SERIES 200 - 2 with Air Spray
BAE SYSTEMS RJ85 - 2 with Summit and 2 with Conair
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Mick G wrote:On the crash, I'm just glad to hear at least 6 survived, by the looks of it, there shouldn't have been any.
From the pics and the survivors, it looks like CFIT.
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MrWings wrote:From the pics and the survivors, it looks like CFIT.
Definitely my first thoughts as well. Tonight's 6 oclock news reported the tail apparently struck the ground, broke off and the rest of plane skidded down the hill.
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MrWings wrote:
Mick G wrote:On the crash, I'm just glad to hear at least 6 survived, by the looks of it, there shouldn't have been any.
From the pics and the survivors, it looks like CFIT.
If it was out of fuel, it wouldn't be controlled. The fact that there was no fire supports the out of fuel theory, but I suppose it could also support the no electrics theory.

There is no wreckage trail that I can see. The aircraft is upside down for the most part, and it seems to have dropped straight down into that spot.

It may be that it clipped something higher up, rolled inverted, and landed there. Who knows. I don't think CFIT.

Ok, I see the post above. That makes sense. Wouldn't it have to be a high angle of attack for the tail to hit, or just the way the terrain worked out?
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Just an update on the location of the accident:
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Having thousands of hours on type....my first thoughts go to fuel exhaustion.

Although they may have had some type of electrical malfunction, fuel had to be first and foremost on there mind.
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I got a voice message from a friend, it is from an Avianca pilot who heard everything on the radio.
- Avianca flight got a clearance to hold at Rio Negro(VOR) at FL210 because there was a Viva Colombia flight who had declared an emergency due to a fuel leak
- Moments after holding while the VC was on approach, AV got further cleared to FL190. At this time, the BAE146(at a higher altitude than AV) came on frequency and requested priority due to a fuel problem and wanted to proceed to the localizer.
- ATC(female) said we cannot give you priority because of VC landing first due to their fuel leak.
- 146 starts descending fast and then declares Mayday
- ATC quickly instructs Avianca to turn left pick up a heading somewhere to their left due to the 146 descending rapidly
- the pilot telling this story said they even saw their lights coming down pretty fast
- ATC tells the 146 to proceed to the localizer for rwy 01 and asks to inform of the problem
- 146 gets going to the localizer and then says we now have total electrical failure, vectors to proceed to runway
- ATC: i have no radar contact
- 146: screams for help, vectors for the runway(in the background the captain is heard calling for the landing gear) they now sounded very desperate
- ATC: asked if they were on the 180R at 9000 8NM
- Avianca guy knew this location and is telling himself oh man they're going to hit terrain
- 146 kept yelling for help and vectors and the transmission stopped.

ATC controller was heard crying over the radio, Avianca crew cried as well, and heard Tower was also calling for them. SAR was activated, airforce deployed. Indeed a very tragic moment for all involved including Avianca.

Looking at world VFR on skyvector, in the Rio Negro quadrant, the lowest altitude is 12000.

Does the 146 have a RAT?
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This flight was to stop for fuel at Bogota. The captain, the owner of the airline, overflew it.

This has to be one of the most poignant and sad stories ever posted on AvCanada.

I know this poster. This isn't bullshit. Straight goods.
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anyone got a copy of the approach plate(s) handy?
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North Shore wrote:anyone got a copy of the approach plate(s) handy?
I saw a link on the other place, you know, the big place.
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FAD3C wrote:
Does the 146 have a RAT?
The BAe 146 does not have a RAT. Nor, I'm compelled to add, does it have the ability to dump fuel.
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