Russian military Tu-154 aircraft disappears from radar after take-off in Sochi
Russian air traffic controllers have lost contact with a Tu-154 airliner with 91 people on board, which disappeared from radar shortly after take-off in Sochi, the Russian Defense Ministry confirmed in a statement.
Ninety-one people were on board the aircraft, including 83 passengers and eight crew members, the Russian Defense Ministry said.
The plane took off from Sochi Adler Airport on a “planned flight” and failed to check in with the control tower at 5:40am Moscow time, the ministry said, adding that all rescue services in the region have been deployed to search for the missing plane.
"According to preliminary data, a Russian Defense Ministry Tu-154 disappeared from radar screens after departing from Sochi," a source in the country's Emergencies Ministry told RIA Novosti earlier.
Nine journalists along with musicians from the army choir of the Russian Armed Forces, the Alexandrov Ensemble, were aboard the plane, the ministry confirmed. The musicians were due to take part in a New Year's concert at the Russian airbase in Latakia, Syria.
“According to preliminary data, the missing Tu-154 arrived in Sochi from Chkalovsky airfield near Moscow for refueling. It is likely that it crashed in the mountainous area of the Krasnodar region,” another source told RIA.
Meanwhile, another source familiar with the matter told Interfax that the plane went off radar when the Tu-154 was maneuvering in Russian airspace over the Black Sea, shortly after take off.
“The plane disappeared from radar approximately 20 minutes after takeoff,” another source told RIA, adding that the plane departed at 5:20am local time and failed to check in with the tower at 5:40am.
The Federal Air Transport Agency (Rosaviation) told RIA Novosti that the flight was “not civilian”.
Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu is coordinating the search efforts via videoconferencing. Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said that Russian President Vladimir Putin has been alerted of the incident and is getting live updates on the search and rescue effort.
Sources on the ground told RIA that technical failure and/or human error are being considered as potential causes of the accident. Meanwhile, TASS reports that weather conditions in Sochi are “favorable” to aviation. No civilian flights have been cancelled.
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Russian military Tu-154 aircraft disappears from radar after take-off in Sochi
Re: Russian military Tu-154 aircraft disappears from radar after take-off in Sochi
It may be hard to get the true story on this one. My first thought however was a Gander repeat/lookalike, which means we may never know... Initial report seems to rule out weather but then again who knows. Traveling on or around Christmas Day with a famous choir going to perform a Xmas concert may also have the attributes of get-there-itis, (or get the heck outta there itis as well...).
Re: Russian military Tu-154 aircraft disappears from radar after take-off in Sochi
Most slavic peoples (including Russian), are Orthodox, and are followers of the Gregorian Calendar, so Christmas is on January 7th.
Surprisingly, its New Years on January 1st that is a bigger holiday than Christmas the 7th of January for most eastern Europeans...think the reason is because in the past communism's suppression of religious holidays, January 1 became the official celebratory holiday for the state.
Surprisingly, its New Years on January 1st that is a bigger holiday than Christmas the 7th of January for most eastern Europeans...think the reason is because in the past communism's suppression of religious holidays, January 1 became the official celebratory holiday for the state.
Re: Russian military Tu-154 aircraft disappears from radar after take-off in Sochi
Being of Slavic origin myself, I feel that dhc#'s post needs some corrections.
Most Eastern Slavic people (Rusians, Ukrainians, Belorusian) are indeed Ortodox and celebrate Christmas on Jan 7th.
Most West Slavic people (Poles, Czech, Slovak) are Catholic, or Protestant and celebrate Christmas on Dec 25.
The South Slavs are mixed bag and celebrate Christmas on either on Jan 7, or Dec 25.
The Ortodox church uses Julian , not Gregorian calendar.
In the workers paridise of the former Soviet Union religion was outlawed and people were prosecuted for celebrating any religious holidays. That's were New Years replaced Christmas. In the slavic countires outside of the Soviet Union Christmas was the biggest holiday of the year and remains so to this day.
Not that this has anything to do with Tupolev's accident.
Merry Christmas , Happy Honaker, Festivus, or Holidays to everybody.
Most Eastern Slavic people (Rusians, Ukrainians, Belorusian) are indeed Ortodox and celebrate Christmas on Jan 7th.
Most West Slavic people (Poles, Czech, Slovak) are Catholic, or Protestant and celebrate Christmas on Dec 25.
The South Slavs are mixed bag and celebrate Christmas on either on Jan 7, or Dec 25.
The Ortodox church uses Julian , not Gregorian calendar.
In the workers paridise of the former Soviet Union religion was outlawed and people were prosecuted for celebrating any religious holidays. That's were New Years replaced Christmas. In the slavic countires outside of the Soviet Union Christmas was the biggest holiday of the year and remains so to this day.
Not that this has anything to do with Tupolev's accident.
Merry Christmas , Happy Honaker, Festivus, or Holidays to everybody.
Re: Russian military Tu-154 aircraft disappears from radar after take-off in Sochi
Helicopters dispatched from Sochi to search for the aircraft have discovered the debris of the crashed plane, the ministry reported.
“Hull fragments of the Tu-154 plane operated by the Defense Ministry have been found about 1.5 km off the Black Sea coast of Sochi at a depth of 50-70 meters,” the ministry said in a statement.
Rescue services are now scanning the presumable crash site of the Tu-154 in the Black Sea, Interfax reported, citing the Russian defense ministry. “Vessels equipped with side-scan sonars are checking the topography of the seabed in the area,” the ministry is quoted as saying.
Around 3,000 people are involved in a search and rescue operation in the 10.5 square kilometer area, the defense ministry announced. The 24/7 operation is being conducted by 32 vessels with over 100 divers on board, unmanned flying vehicles, and multiple helicopters and planes, officials announced. Head of the Russian Transport Ministry Maksim Sokolov said that so far the rescue workers have found no survivors from the Tu-154 crash.
“Hull fragments of the Tu-154 plane operated by the Defense Ministry have been found about 1.5 km off the Black Sea coast of Sochi at a depth of 50-70 meters,” the ministry said in a statement.
Rescue services are now scanning the presumable crash site of the Tu-154 in the Black Sea, Interfax reported, citing the Russian defense ministry. “Vessels equipped with side-scan sonars are checking the topography of the seabed in the area,” the ministry is quoted as saying.
Around 3,000 people are involved in a search and rescue operation in the 10.5 square kilometer area, the defense ministry announced. The 24/7 operation is being conducted by 32 vessels with over 100 divers on board, unmanned flying vehicles, and multiple helicopters and planes, officials announced. Head of the Russian Transport Ministry Maksim Sokolov said that so far the rescue workers have found no survivors from the Tu-154 crash.
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Re: Russian military Tu-154 aircraft disappears from radar after take-off in Sochi
Preliminary reports now indicating asymmetric flap deployment: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38449058
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Tu-154 - "The flaps, hell, what a…!"
Russia plane crash: Flight recorder 'reveals faulty wing flaps to blame'
The main flight recorder from the Russian jet that crashed into the Black Sea on Sunday has revealed that faulty flaps were to blame, Russian media say.
The flaps, panels on the wings that help lift an aircraft, were not moving together, a source close to the probe told the private Interfax news agency.
The pro-Kremlin Life news website says this led the pilots to lose control as the plane was at a "critical angle".
It also quoted the crew's last words, including: "The flaps, hell... !"
The ageing Tu-154 airliner came down off the Russian coast with the loss of all 92 passengers and crew.
On board were 64 members of the famed Alexandrov military music ensemble, as well as one of Russia's best-known humanitarian figures, Yelizaveta Glinka.
The plane was heading to Russia's air force base in Syria where the choir was due to perform at a New Year's concert.
The victims of the Russian jet crash
What we know
How a plane crash is investigated
Air disasters timeline
The latest findings allegedly come from a cockpit conversation stored on the flight's main "black box" data recorder, which was found underwater about a mile from the shore on Tuesday.
The military airliner was commanded by experienced pilot Maj Roman Volkov and his co-pilot was Capt Alexander Rovensky, who had 10 years of aviation service.
An earlier audio recording, played on Russian media, said to be of the final conversation between air traffic controllers and the plane's crew, revealed no sign of difficulties.
But Life, a new site which is close to the Russian security agencies, issued a transcript of the cockpit recording taken from the "black box", indicating the two pilots were taken by surprise.
Pilots' last words:
"Speed 300 (inaudible)."
"(Inaudible)."
"I've pulled in the landing gear, commander."
"(Inaudible)."
"Oh bloody hell!"
Piercing alarm sounds
"The flaps, hell, what a…!"
"The altimeter [altitude meter]!"
"We're in… (inaudible)."
Alarm sounds about dangerous proximity to the ground
"(Inaudible)."
"Commander we're falling!"
The plane crashed soon after take-off from an airport near the city of Sochi, where it had landed for refuelling.
It disappeared
from radar two minutes after taking off from Adler airport at 05:23 (02:23 GMT) on Sunday.
A second flight recorder has been found in a good condition and was raised from the seabed on Wednesday, the defence ministry said.
According to the authorities, so far 15 bodies have been recovered from the crash site.
The Tupolev airliner involved in the crash was an old model no longer flown by airlines in Russia but still used by the military. It was 33 years old.
The investigators have so far ruled out terrorism as a possibility, instead concentrating on human error, a technical fault or a combination of factors as being responsible.
Tupolev-154: Russian workhorse
The backbone of Soviet and Russian airlines for decades
Three engines, narrow-bodied and medium range
Designed in the mid-1960s, came into service in 1972 and was modernised in 1986 with new engines and equipment
Has seen 39 fatal accidents, although few were due to technical problems. Many were as a result of difficult weather conditions and poor air traffic control. A few were lost in conflicts including in Lebanon, Georgia and Afghanistan
Not used in Russia's civil aviation since 2009, but is still used by the military. Only about 50 in service worldwide
Alexandrov Ensemble is the official choir of the Russian armed forces
It was founded in 1928 during the Soviet era
The group also includes an orchestra and dancers
It takes its name from its first director, Alexander Vasilyevich Alexandrov, who wrote the music to the national anthem of the Soviet Union
Holds the right to use the term Red Army Choir, although the interior ministry's MVD Ensemble also uses it
Listen to the Alexandrov Ensemble here
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38449058
The main flight recorder from the Russian jet that crashed into the Black Sea on Sunday has revealed that faulty flaps were to blame, Russian media say.
The flaps, panels on the wings that help lift an aircraft, were not moving together, a source close to the probe told the private Interfax news agency.
The pro-Kremlin Life news website says this led the pilots to lose control as the plane was at a "critical angle".
It also quoted the crew's last words, including: "The flaps, hell... !"
The ageing Tu-154 airliner came down off the Russian coast with the loss of all 92 passengers and crew.
On board were 64 members of the famed Alexandrov military music ensemble, as well as one of Russia's best-known humanitarian figures, Yelizaveta Glinka.
The plane was heading to Russia's air force base in Syria where the choir was due to perform at a New Year's concert.
The victims of the Russian jet crash
What we know
How a plane crash is investigated
Air disasters timeline
The latest findings allegedly come from a cockpit conversation stored on the flight's main "black box" data recorder, which was found underwater about a mile from the shore on Tuesday.
The military airliner was commanded by experienced pilot Maj Roman Volkov and his co-pilot was Capt Alexander Rovensky, who had 10 years of aviation service.
An earlier audio recording, played on Russian media, said to be of the final conversation between air traffic controllers and the plane's crew, revealed no sign of difficulties.
But Life, a new site which is close to the Russian security agencies, issued a transcript of the cockpit recording taken from the "black box", indicating the two pilots were taken by surprise.
Pilots' last words:
"Speed 300 (inaudible)."
"(Inaudible)."
"I've pulled in the landing gear, commander."
"(Inaudible)."
"Oh bloody hell!"
Piercing alarm sounds
"The flaps, hell, what a…!"
"The altimeter [altitude meter]!"
"We're in… (inaudible)."
Alarm sounds about dangerous proximity to the ground
"(Inaudible)."
"Commander we're falling!"
The plane crashed soon after take-off from an airport near the city of Sochi, where it had landed for refuelling.
It disappeared
from radar two minutes after taking off from Adler airport at 05:23 (02:23 GMT) on Sunday.
A second flight recorder has been found in a good condition and was raised from the seabed on Wednesday, the defence ministry said.
According to the authorities, so far 15 bodies have been recovered from the crash site.
The Tupolev airliner involved in the crash was an old model no longer flown by airlines in Russia but still used by the military. It was 33 years old.
The investigators have so far ruled out terrorism as a possibility, instead concentrating on human error, a technical fault or a combination of factors as being responsible.
Tupolev-154: Russian workhorse
The backbone of Soviet and Russian airlines for decades
Three engines, narrow-bodied and medium range
Designed in the mid-1960s, came into service in 1972 and was modernised in 1986 with new engines and equipment
Has seen 39 fatal accidents, although few were due to technical problems. Many were as a result of difficult weather conditions and poor air traffic control. A few were lost in conflicts including in Lebanon, Georgia and Afghanistan
Not used in Russia's civil aviation since 2009, but is still used by the military. Only about 50 in service worldwide
Alexandrov Ensemble is the official choir of the Russian armed forces
It was founded in 1928 during the Soviet era
The group also includes an orchestra and dancers
It takes its name from its first director, Alexander Vasilyevich Alexandrov, who wrote the music to the national anthem of the Soviet Union
Holds the right to use the term Red Army Choir, although the interior ministry's MVD Ensemble also uses it
Listen to the Alexandrov Ensemble here
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38449058
Re: Russian military Tu-154 aircraft disappears from radar after take-off in Sochi
They found the wing with flaps up and gear in extended position. The handles are fairly close together and it is an known ergonomic issue. Stall speed with no high-lift devices is just about 300km/h.
