training bond

oldncold · Post by **oldncold** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 11:55 am

be aware training bonds

air nunavut is expecting 35000 that is right $35,000 YOU GET LOAN
TO LIVE AND FLY OUT OF IQUALIUT ON A FALCON 10 salary 60,000 housing for single in staff house.

metal overcast · Post by **metal overcast** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 12:05 pm

I wonder if they have any takers?

What a joke. Who are the kidding?

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 12:25 pm

Didn't someone post they were offered 30k for both types?

60k pay?? lol, that still beats the guys paying 20k for flight safety on the Caravan and getting paid 20k...

springjob · Post by **springjob** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 12:27 pm

The bond is 35k

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 12:34 pm

Is nobody listening? If you have to pay up front...it isn't a bond. Like DUH!

Legacy · Post by **Legacy** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 1:02 pm

For any of you who are considering this, you have NO flippin idea what you are getting into with this guy.

rigpiggy · Post by **rigpiggy** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 1:08 pm

Several Years back, he wanted 12k for the King Air PPC. I counter offered that I would put the 12K into trust with my lawyer, and have a prorated payout tohim/I in the event of Layoff/shutdown, or my buggering off early. thereby protecting both parties. Was basically told to go piss up rope. This guy is one step above regency. Maybe if having Air Nunavut on your resume was an automatic negative on your resume these kinds of operators wouldn't find so many suckers.

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 1:12 pm

Certain companies a neg of a resume?.....you may be on to something! That'd keep scum companies from even being able to get pilots..at any price! I LIKE it!

x-wind · Post by **x-wind** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 8:41 pm

Anyone know of a good company that offers training bonds?

giligan · Post by **giligan** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 8:50 pm

Calm Air, Canjet, Bearskin and I believe Voyageur (at least they used to)

I would consider them decent enough. I'm sure there are more, that's just off the top of my head.

gil

oldtimer · Post by **oldtimer** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 10:14 pm

rigpiggy and DOC, if a group of people were to institute a negative resume that would blacklist a pilot who paid for training, you would open up such a can of worms that would drive this industry back into the stone age. Look what happened in the USA during the McArthey period of the 50's where a real witch hunt went on looking for Communist sympathisers. Many good, honest people were hurt badly, all because some zealot was allowed to run amok
Under what circumstances would you classify an operator as unfit?
Would it be your opinion or mine?
Do we have a discussion? a vote? a concensus of opinion, or are you simply going to post the name on Avcanada.
Fortunatly the moderators will have a say in that regard.
I personally think that is a very bad idea.

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 10:35 pm

Worry not. It would never happen. It was just an interesting idea. But, now can you really picture this industry getting together on such a scale that it would make a difference? Most of us cant agree on the colour of the sky! Relax.

Hot Fuel · Post by **Hot Fuel** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 6:26 am

Doc wouldn't you be painting yourself with the same brush? Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't your resume have a company that you suggest should be blacklisted on it?

ie Wasaya

Carl · Post by **Carl** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 4:39 pm

Air Nunavut sucks. End of story. 35 thous. is rediculous. Anyone to pay it is F^%$ked in the head. Do not go there. And besides a falcon 10 aint worth it.

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 5:14 pm

Hot Fuel....putting Wasaya on my resume wouldn't do me any good one way or the other...LOL. However, Wasaya never aske me for any kind of a bond. I came to them with a PPC on the Caravan, and 4-5000 hours on RR Dart equiped aircraft. But I understand they do require bonds these days. But they dont require the money up-front that I have issues with. So no, Wasaya wouldn't make "the list".
I found the pilots at Wasaya to be first rate. All of them. The trainning pilots do a great job there, and I have nothing but good things to say about the CCP...R.M.
In the upstairs office, however, there are one or two who should swim with great white sharks while bleeding!
I would hire/reccomend any of the guys I flew with!

runawayprop · Post by **runawayprop** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 6:19 pm

Doc wrote:Worry not. It would never happen. It was just an interesting idea. But, now can you really picture this industry getting together on such a scale that it would make a difference? Most of us cant agree on the colour of the sky! Relax.

The sky is a purplish blue is it not?

Hickory Stick · Post by **Hickory Stick** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 8:19 pm

DOC:

One of the times that you are wrong I will point it out. Wasaya does indeed require the money up front. First bond $9500, second $6500, third well not required unless they want one. Higher for the Hawker.

I should know, I was there for almost 4 years. Yer right about the pilots there, first rate. Although a lot of talent and experience has moved on.

Cheers

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 8:32 pm

I did not know that. That's really piss poor. Welcome to the list! I know who the "bottom feeder" who came up with that is! Good way to keep pilots worth having, from signing on! And, it's not like they are one of the "have not" companies! Read...."First Nation's Money, aka your tax dollars". That's really too bad....but with the monkey at the helm, what do they really expect....and just when I actually said something nice about Wasaya, you have to go and burst my bubble....curse you, you stick, you!!

Cool Rythms! · Post by **Cool Rythms!** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 10:07 pm

Well, at least the 60k salary sounds good. But as I have always said, and will always continue to say, I'll be damned if I'm going to pay any company money out my pocket, not knowing what could happen in six months time.

These guys must be pals with Michel Leblanc.

rigpiggy · Post by **rigpiggy** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 3:40 am

Well, at least the 60k salary sounds good. 60 K in Nunavut is not good. I have several friends with the govt there who make 120+ each, and they are comfortable. When you're paying $8+/4litre of milk, and all other commodities are similiarly inflated 60k is the equivalent of 40k in YYZ ie poverty or just above.. expect to go to costco in yow to make up your/meat/veggie runs.

oldncold · Post by **oldncold** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:17 pm

SO did any one pony up the 35k for the bond ?

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 3:58 pm

rigpiggy - 40k poverty or slightly above? I want your lifestyle! If I'm not mistaken, somewhere around 18k is considered poverity in Canada. Obviously high in northern communities, thus northerly living allowance.

If a company wants you bad enough, they'll pay for your training. But most companies have been burned by pilots looking for the BBD - Bigger Better Deal. So I understand the necessity of a bond.

It's when you get your bond repaid as income on your cheque thus taxed that I have a problem. You put-out the money, then you get taxed for it? Not right at all - it's your money! Plus, say it's a line of credit where you're already paying interest say (6-8%), then on repaymeny, you're put into a higher income bracket and taxed higher on your money!! Garbage.

There has to be a better way.
RJ

ottopilot · Post by **ottopilot** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 4:37 pm

Listen this is how it is.. agree or disagree who cares...

If any employer in the north pays for your training it would be funny cause you could just forget the charter business and just call it "Some place to get a free PPCand leave a month later". The bond is just an insurance that you will stay for a decient length of time. Of course it's crappy that you have to buy a job but the money does come back.... And if you do it right you can actually make a couple of %. And it sure is better then making $8/hour on the ramp throwing cargo.

rigpiggy · Post by **rigpiggy** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 4:50 pm

Jeremy, you ever try to have a mortgage on 40k, in toronto. Northern living allowance is a tax credit not up front. if I remember 7.50/ day the cost of living in iqaluit is horrendous. As I said earlier I made an offer that would cover both of our asses. The fact that he would not even entertain that says to me he is a control junkie, similiar to thre CP who wants you to wash his car etc... An employer holding a hammer over your head makes it hard to fight back

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 6:12 pm

kingair93...what you really mean to say is you got sucked in and you would like some company? At least the guys tossing bags at $8 per hour have SOME pride! BTW, what's the garantee that 35K wont go down the shitter if your cheapskate employer goes down the drain?? And what good is a PPC on a DA10 anyway? Everybody knows you're just "right seat meat"?