C208 Captains needed

Special K · Post by **Special K** » Sat Apr 10, 2004 12:07 pm

Wild Country Airways is looking for Caravan Captains.

Requirements
2000 Total time
IFR
Filght Safety Caravan Course completed.
Fax number is 807-662-2465

Message me if you have any questions.
CYA
K

wallypilot · Post by **wallypilot** » Wed Apr 14, 2004 5:03 pm

Is there high turn over at this company? They seem to be always looking for Caravan drivers. Anybody know what the pay is like, and if there are any circumstances there that lead to high turnover among the 208 captains?

co-joe · Post by **co-joe** » Wed Apr 14, 2004 11:46 pm

FSI 208 Course... 12 GRAND USD! Yeah okay, I'll get right on that.

Yoyoma · Post by **Yoyoma** » Thu Apr 15, 2004 3:26 am

Maybe we can share it, we'll split it in half...What daya say CJ whip ?

Special K · Post by **Special K** » Thu Apr 15, 2004 5:07 pm

The pay is 4000 a month.
The management structure problems have caused staff tension.
The owner is very trusting of his pilot's judgment.

Things seem way better then last time i was here.

questions?
pm me
K

neiva · Post by **neiva** » Thu Apr 15, 2004 5:50 pm

Hey Special K:
I don't have the C 208 course, but are you accepting resumes for F/O ?
I have TT: 2500
PIC 1300
Single:1100
Multi:1380
IFR: 1200
Thank's

Please PM me

Special K · Post by **Special K** » Fri Apr 16, 2004 11:16 am

we'll take your resume....

but we're looking for ppl with the flight safety course for insurance purposes.

Thank you
K

co-joe · Post by **co-joe** » Fri Apr 16, 2004 11:20 am

Sure, I'll go half-ers with ya Yoyo!

No offense special K I just can't stand it when companies ask for training on type in hand to apply. CJ

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Fri Apr 16, 2004 12:13 pm

I just can't stand it when companies ask for training on type in hand to apply.

They're not looking for type rating.. They want you to have the Flight Safety course

but we're looking for ppl with the flight safety course

Sue him when you show up with a flight safety course on a navajo..

Special K · Post by **Special K** » Fri Apr 16, 2004 11:38 pm

There have to be at least 250 pilots(ultimate minimum) trained at flight safety to fly the caravan in canada.
i guess 200 have moved on to bigger and better.
10 have quit flying.
maybe 10 have died of something.
That leaves about 30(estimate of course) in canada that might want to work in our company.
They have the course. We're not asking them to pay for it!
There are at least two western opertors that seem to be breeding grounds for discontempt that have caravans.
If they leave after a year with the their company does that make them scabs? If we take them on because they want something more does that make us bad operators?
it would be nice to have 14000 US to spend on every pilot we bring in, but it's just not going to happen.
I'm not the owner, but i see his point of view and can only influence him so much before he thinks 'm a retard.

As has been said before, we all pay for our training. We just don't see it that way for some reason.

CYA
K

wallypilot · Post by **wallypilot** » Sat Apr 17, 2004 3:36 am

well, at least the pay is decent, anyways.

corn-shoot · Post by **corn-shoot** » Sat Apr 17, 2004 7:24 am

Special K wrote: If we take them on because they want something more does that make us bad operators?
it would be nice to have 14000 US to spend on every pilot we bring in, but it's just not going to happen.
I'm not the owner, but i see his point of view and can only influence him so much before he thinks 'm a retard.

As has been said before, we all pay for our training. We just don't see it that way for some reason.

CYA
K

Special K, well said... and wouldn't you be lovely people if you paid your pilots minimum wage so that you could incur the costs of sending your guys to flightsafety? What would that do to your reputation? I think looking for industry trained professionals isn't asking too much. I know a lot of people are thinking you're asking for someone that has 2000 hours to get their ass a loan and get on down to FS.

If you were asking to hire someone with a degree, would that be telling people to go out and buy a degree as quickly as possible? NOPE. I see your side well.

Special K · Post by **Special K** » Sat Apr 17, 2004 9:26 pm

It would be nice if our industry could set up some kind of long term strategy to allow owners/passengers less taxes related to the aviation industry.
Freeing up money to allow owners to spend some cash on their employees.......some kind of a training for them.

But alas.....our government seems more interested in itself to care about it's people.

CYA
K

V3-BZE · Post by **V3-BZE** » Sat Apr 17, 2004 11:43 pm

guess with 4000 hours TT, and 2000 hours PIC on the van, but no Flight Safety course i'm useless hey?
that's ok, i only do about 20-25 sectors a day on the van, must not know anything...
it's alllll good. it's rather fly van's in caribbean than but-$%*@-nowhere anyways.
oh ya, and the moneys better here too!

Yoyoma · Post by **Yoyoma** » Sun Apr 18, 2004 10:26 am

V3-BZE wrote:guess with 4000 hours TT, and 2000 hours PIC on the van, but no Flight Safety course i'm useless hey?
that's ok, i only do about 20-25 sectors a day on the van, must not know anything...
it's alllll good. it's rather fly van's in caribbean than but-$%*@-nowhere anyways.
oh ya, and the moneys better here too!

Go tell that to the Insurer...

co-joe · Post by **co-joe** » Sun Apr 18, 2004 12:29 pm

I don't care if there are a thousand unemployed 208 pilots out there. When you ask for type specific training as a pre-requisite to application that say one thing and one thing only. CHEAP!

I don't care if you pay 10 Grand a month, you'll never see a resume from me. I won't pay for my own training. Nor will I burn someone for training just cause you pay a little better. IMO If you can't afford to pay 14G's for YOUR pilots to fly YOUR aiplane, then you have no business operating aircraft for hire in this country or any other. CJ

Vinny88 · Post by **Vinny88** » Mon May 03, 2004 9:20 pm

co-joe wrote:I don't care if there are a thousand unemployed 208 pilots out there. When you ask for type specific training as a pre-requisite to application that say one thing and one thing only. CHEAP!

I don't care if you pay 10 Grand a month, you'll never see a resume from me. I won't pay for my own training. Nor will I burn someone for training just cause you pay a little better. IMO If you can't afford to pay 14G's for YOUR pilots to fly YOUR aiplane, then you have no business operating aircraft for hire in this country or any other. CJ

Looks like we are getting into the infamous "PPC - to buy or not to buy" dispute.

I used to be a strong advocate of what CJ is getting at here, and I understand completely what he is saying. Quite frankly though, unless we (this is going to sounds cheesy) band together as somewhat of a "unit" or "union" and refuse to pay for these PPC's, it is never going to stop. As long is there's a pilot out there who is willing to fly for free or ask daddy for $10k to buy a metro PPC, we, as this "unit" are doomed to an industry that will milk us for every last drop.

Somthing else that doesn't help either: Not to sound redundant, but this industry isn't in the best shape right now, and it simply comes down to supply and demand.

----- I'm not old enough to know... but as my mother tells me.. back in the day you could get a pretty good job with just a high school diploma, and if you had a degree you'd be a superhero... Now - you need a Master's or Doctorcate with a 4.0 to get looked at. Thats because there weren't that many skilled labourers to choose from. Right now, however, in many industry's not just ours, there are alot of qualified guys out there right now with no jobs. (I'm going to generalize here) Employers in our industry aren't making the money they used too, and there are alot of employees to choose from, and they can ask for us to pay for PPC's cuz buddy has 10000 resumes on his desk, of which 5000 of them are probably willing to ask daddy for 10k to buy a job. The employers simply have the power right now, and that's how things go in business. If we want to change things - we simply tell all the instructors to stop instructing and all the right seat "safety" pilots to stop doing walk arounds at 2 am fighting to fly for free after they have spent 5 grand for a navajo PPC.

So.. after all my rambling... and I'm still skipping a few points to releive you of the boredome of a topic that has been shot to death many times only to hear another guy like me who thinks he knows what is going on to contribute his/her two cents..but until something happens from our side, this dispute will probably never end.

Even though morally, I agree with CJ... but after being in this industry, truely working my ass off, and only achieving 1000+ hours in 4 years... im still fighting for a right seat twin job, and seriously thinking about getting my bartending job back to get a freakin HO PPC and still only MAYBE get a job in &(*(&(&* nowhere.

Its a tuff one!!

Take care guys, and good luck

Vince

CAL · Post by **CAL** » Tue May 04, 2004 10:15 pm

I think that asking for the Flight safety course is like saying pay for your own training!!!...I thought we were on a re-bound....guys still have to put money in the owners pockets? man...how can you not! make money owning an airline these days!!!

Bull shit...go f---ing pound sand. Its a Caravan for christ sakes

Disco Stu · Post by **Disco Stu** » Wed May 05, 2004 2:45 pm

jobhunter wrote:Hey Special K:
I don't have the C 208 course, but are you accepting resumes for F/O ?
I have TT: 2500
PIC 1300
Single:1100
Multi:1380
IFR: 1200
Thank's

Please PM me

Please God I hope you are joking!

Cap'n P8 · Post by **Cap'n P8** » Wed May 05, 2004 5:21 pm

They must have other aircraft, bigger than the caravan (I could be wrong.)

Or maybe he just REALLY, REALLY wants to be a 'van' driver!

PT6-114A · Post by **PT6-114A** » Mon May 10, 2004 9:55 am

Special K did you work doing low level survey in a caravan at one time???
For a place in Ottawa??

wallypilot · Post by **wallypilot** » Tue May 11, 2004 5:17 pm

hey pt6....that is a very good question...the initials even match...S.K.

specialK, pm me and let me know if you are the infamous mirage insulter!

cheers
wp

Special K · Post by **Special K** » Tue May 11, 2004 8:20 pm

My initials have a K in them but they're not S.K.
I didn't work in Africa, but I think who you are talking about might be headed back there.

We have never had a pilot that paid for their PPC.
We will have pilot employees that will be sent to flight safety.

Is that good enough?

CYA
K

Special K · Post by **Special K** » Tue May 11, 2004 8:20 pm

Oops....
Double post

CYA
K

wallypilot · Post by **wallypilot** » Wed May 12, 2004 9:06 am

hey special K....so did the aforementioned individual work out at your place of employment? He had a bit of a sordid history with our previous company, and I heard that he went to WC. Just curious if you know if he has gone back to survey work?

Cheers
wp

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