Pilot shortages

AEROMONKEY · Post by **AEROMONKEY** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 9:55 pm

Hey just wondering...with all the people jumpin on the JAZZ wagon...are there any companies runnin short of pilots? I mean...i know of one company here in YQT that has lost 8 pilots in the last month.....and i've talked to others that are in the interview process.....not all to Jazz but i'm sure that has to do with the other openings....now how many pilots can you lose before it starts to affect the companies ability to get the job done? ....(maybe "BEDE" of "Flying Low" can answer this

MaximumSausage · Post by **MaximumSausage** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 10:02 pm

So which company in YQT has lost 8 pilots.

Right Seat Captain · Post by **Right Seat Captain** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 10:04 pm

The vultures are circling.

Snowgoose · Post by **Snowgoose** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 10:06 pm

from the employment forum, probably wasaya

MRO · Post by **MRO** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 8:16 am

A few months ago if anyone mentioned a “pilot shortage” on this site they would be made fun of like crazy. So far none of that…Maybe a sign of the times…I hope.

KAG · Post by **KAG** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 8:29 am

We stand to lose about 10 pilots in the near future. I wouldn't say there will be a pilot shortage, but definately some "healthy movment".

Copilots getting upgraded, rampies moving up to the right seat, new rampies getting hired, shaping up to be a great 06.

Cheers.

AEROMONKEY · Post by **AEROMONKEY** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 11:39 am

i can tell its definetly not hard to find replacement pilots ....but i do understand that...even though i'm a gas jockey, it takes time to upgrade or train guys? and when you lose 8-10 pilots in a month......thats gotta hurt..

cheers

ronnie up the road · Post by **ronnie up the road** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 3:06 pm

by' all means show me where there is a pilot shortage and I'll be the first one on the doorstep ready to go to work. I've been all over this country and haven't had any luck, and am still working with a company on the ramp for over a year. Now there is talks of lay offs......I mean really how long does one keep saying it will work out, just be patient. Getting close on thirty isn't making things any better.

-Ron

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 3:08 pm

Yeah, companies will be short 2500TT pilots, and they'll replenish the batch within 24hours....

SplitS · Post by **SplitS** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 6:18 pm

ronnie up the road,

There is NEVER a shortage of 200hr pilots... sucks but there it is...

ronnie up the road · Post by **ronnie up the road** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 4:28 am

I'm not a 200 hr pilot. I have a little over 1100 TT, 300 MPIC. Current PPC on a Metro 3.......So now what do you have to say?

-Ron

200 hrs · Post by **200 hrs** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 6:01 am

1100 hours. That is truly amazing.

desksgo · Post by **desksgo** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 7:17 am

Pilot shortage? Do you know how many knob twisters Seneca, Sault, MFC, and every ma und pah school are releasing into the system each year? Well cut a little fat off that number and add 5 years experience to those people...I think pilot shortage isn't quite what you're encountering, maybe a few pockets of air here and there, perhaps.

Don't spike the ball at the 45 yard line...

N2 · Post by N2 » Thu Nov 17, 2005 7:40 am

Shortage, smortage I just wanna win the lottery and watch the planes fly over head while Miss July brings me a cold one!

w squared · Post by **w squared** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 7:59 am

You kidding? If I won the lottery, I'd be buying myself a Global Express, visiting Austria for some skiing, and then I'd inform Miss July that she's now added "de facto stewardess" to her job description. Now she can get me a cold one at FL 410.

Of course, with the current pilot shortage, I might have a hard time getting someone to fly the thing while I'm making sure that Miss July is maintaining appropriate standards wile carrying out her duties.

TG · Post by TG » Thu Nov 17, 2005 8:08 am

Me think it's more a plane shortage than a pilot shortage.

And if I win the lottery, I will just try not to kill myself in a warbird and let my buddies fly me around the globe in a bizjet.

skyhigh · Post by **skyhigh** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 8:30 am

Yes there is a pilot shortage in the making....But I am talking about type rated turboprop Captains with more than 3500 hrs.....not 250 hrs or 1100 hrs..... These guys are getting swiped up by Jazz and just wait till Air Canada goes full tilt and Westjet starts hiring again.....Go ask Air Mikisew in FT Mac...seems like they keep losing guys on a weekly basis.

desksgo · Post by **desksgo** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 8:36 am

skyhigh wrote:Yes there is a pilot shortage in the making....But I am talking about type rated turboprop Captains with more than 3500 hrs.....not 250 hrs or 1100 hrs..... These guys are getting swiped up by Jazz and just wait till Air Canada goes full tilt and Westjet starts hiring again.....Go ask Air Mikisew in FT Mac...seems like they keep losing guys on a weekly basis.

Yes yes, but while all these guys are getting scooped up, the guys with 1100 hours are still flying, the guys with 2000 hours will upgrade. Like I said, just an airpocket and the aviation industry has a nice big blowhole that will dispense with said air biscuit of pilot need.

skyhigh · Post by **skyhigh** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 8:54 am

For some companies upgrading 2000 hr guys is not an option due to contract or insurance requirements....so they are forced to keep looking.

desksgo · Post by **desksgo** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 10:02 am

skyhigh wrote:For some companies upgrading 2000 hr guys is not an option due to contract or insurance requirements....so they are forced to keep looking.

Ok, so let's say there was, say another shortage...for instance, a fuel or oil shortage. Would you expect to pay all time record lows for fuel? Supply and demand my good man...supply is too close to demand. When Captain sweet and juicy starts rollin around in a drop-top benz, we'll talk shortages.

skyhigh · Post by **skyhigh** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 10:22 am

I understand your point about supply and demand but as I mentioned the pending shortage is not all pilots but rather type rated captains abv 3500 hrs who would qualify and get scooped up by the big boys.....there will always be a large supply of low time pilots....that will never change. But currently some companies are already having a difficult time recruiting "Qualified Pilots" for their operations. And as I also previously mentioned their hands are tied from upgrading guys with 2000 hrs because their contracts prohibit them from doing so.....

Springbok · Post by **Springbok** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 10:34 am

desksgo wrote:When Captain sweet and juicy starts rollin around in a drop-top benz, we'll talk shortages.

This is all Captsweet`njuicy can roll around in:

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Hedley · Post by **Hedley** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 10:38 am

some companies are already having a difficult time recruiting "Qualified Pilots"

I have a novel idea: have they tried paying the "qualified pilots" more?

It may be time to pass on some of the increased costs to the customers who demand the higher-time pilots.

This is really not very hard to understand.

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:26 am

Hedley wrote:
some companies are already having a difficult time recruiting "Qualified Pilots"
I have a novel idea: have they tried paying the "qualified pilots" more?

It may be time to pass on some of the increased costs to the customers who demand the higher-time pilots.

This is really not very hard to understand.

Well it seems that the 1100 hour captains, get their fresh PPCs and want to run off....

Hot Fuel · Post by **Hot Fuel** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 12:16 pm

Hedley wrote

It may be time to pass on some of the increased costs to the customers who demand the higher-time pilots.

I’m not sure it’s quite that simple. The market will only bear a certain level before it seeks alternate means of travel. Many of the major airports in Canada are using the same ideology and are saying to the carriers we are increasing our fees to you by 5% to 10% because its your fault we are running into budget shortfalls…you have decreased frequency, changed equipment ect, when in fact the carriers took these measures because traffic is deceasing due to increasing costs that they simply pass on to the end users. The public has become accustom to historical lows as far as airfares go, they have no idea as to how small the profit margins really are in this industry.

For the most part when we are talking about firm 1000 hrs and 2000 hrs min requirements I think we are talking about carriers that are more than mom and pop operators. There are the stepping stone turbine operators CMA, Bearskin etc. If you look at what these airlines are charging for their equipment I think you will find that they will drive away a portion of their business if they continue to pass along addition increases. A typical 1900/Metro charter rate these days is around $8.00 to $9.00 per statue mile, add the ever popular insurance fee, fuel surcharges, landing fee, Nav Canada fee, AIF’s and any extra’s like ground handling or catering and 200 mile return trip is suddenly $5000.00 bucks or better. It becomes far more cost effective to utilize a sked operator than a charter operator, if the charter guy can’t be competitive he’s forced out of business and there’s a few less jobs in the market place.

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