• Jazz or Sunwing ?

Posted: **Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:37 pm**

Hello guys,

since there has been many threads comparing 2 operators, why not compare Jazz and Sunwing. Where would you go if you had the choice?

Sunwing:

- Solid company, 49% owned by TUI (made 1 billion $ profit last year)
- Great planes, great destinations
- Great schedule (10-12 days a month)
- Decent pay with huge potential to make lots of extra cash (overtime, deployments)
- Excellent type rating to hold in case the economy crashes, will always find a job somewhere on the planet

Jazz:

- Good flow to air canada.
- Very stable company
- Terrible pay
- Not the best schedule (pairings, work 15-18 days a month)

What else ?

Posted: **Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:47 am**

I would go to Sunwing. Personal preference. I prefer jet time and a 737 type rating and heavier time vs a turboprop or light RJ. Sunwing pay is better and upgrade pay is way better than Jazz. You have the option of being stationed overseas which is very inresting, unlike Jazz that flies to Fort whatsername... lots more money and cool destinations at Sunwing. Glass cockpit, full bathroom on board and quick upgrades to 737 captain if you come in with considerable time. Upgrade times would probably be about the same give or take a year if you go either operator now with 4500TT+. I would consider Sunwing stable and a possible career company.

Posted: **Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:33 pm**

I with the guy above! Full bathroom is a game changer!!

Posted: **Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:22 pm**

The biggest questions are how old are you and how badly do you want to be an Air Canada pilot. If you're 30+ and really want to fly for big red, go to Jazz. The flow agreement is worth any negatives that Jazz might have. If you don't really care about whether or not you end up at AC I would recommend Sunwing as lots of people are still being hired at AC from Sunwing but it's a good career job if you don't get hired at AC or if you don't care about being hired at AC.

If you're under 30 why not give Sunwing a go? The European deployments are an amazing experience, the pay is better to help pay off those student loans and you have a few years to knock on big red's door while enjoying the good life. You can always go to Jazz after a few years for the flow agreement if you can't get hired off the street from Sunwing. Waiting until you're 30 still gives you a 35 plus career at AC that will still land to a widebody command.

Posted: **Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:13 am**

kilocharliemike wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:33 pm Full bathroom

With a bathtub?

Posted: **Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:30 pm**

When I said full bathroom, in airplane standards, it means there is an actual sink to wash your hands. Not just hand sanitizer spray.

Posted: **Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:48 pm**

Comparing apples to oranges. Jazz is what it is, a regional airline. Sunwing isn’t that and more comparable to airlines/charter/cargo companies operating larger aircraft. The pay, schedule and many other acpects are completely different and not comparable.

Just cause your tinder profile says Air Canada Express, doesn’t mean your not a regional airline pilot.

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:03 am**

Oh, I dunno. I enjoyed being able to take a shower inflight. That's my idea of a "full bathroom". Heated floors, etc.

Oh yeah, erm, uh... Sunwing?

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:36 am**

gonnabeapilot wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:22 pm The biggest questions are how old are you and how badly do you want to be an Air Canada pilot. If you're 30+ and really want to fly for big red, go to Jazz. The flow agreement is worth any negatives that Jazz might have. If you don't really care about whether or not you end up at AC I would recommend Sunwing as lots of people are still being hired at AC from Sunwing but it's a good career job if you don't get hired at AC or if you don't care about being hired at AC.

If you're under 30 why not give Sunwing a go? The European deployments are an amazing experience, the pay is better to help pay off those student loans and you have a few years to knock on big red's door while enjoying the good life. You can always go to Jazz after a few years for the flow agreement if you can't get hired off the street from Sunwing. Waiting until you're 30 still gives you a 35 plus career at AC that will still land to a widebody command.

Only catch is that if you go to Sunwing now and intend on hard trying to get to AC later, you’re going to be sitting at a the bottom of long and young seniority list, and once hiring slows down at AC in the next few years, you could be slaving away on reserve on the A320 in TORONTO for many many years (nightmare!!!).

All the hiring going on around the industry makes the early pilot career look like smiles and rainbows, but don’t be fooled, it will slow back down like it always does and early lifestyle will take a hard hit.

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:01 am**

How do you even apply for a job at Sunwing? On their web site they aren't hiring pilots. Snail mail I guess?

Posted: **Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:06 pm**

Hiring of 100 pilots to begin shortly. Keep your eyes peeled on the hiring portal over the next few weeks in order to apply.

Posted: **Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:46 am**

Yycjetdriver wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:48 pm Just cause your tinder profile says Air Canada Express, doesn’t mean your not a regional airline pilot.

What’s this have to do with anything? Besides, they don’t know the difference. Still an “airline pilot” and it still says “Air Canada”

Posted: **Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:40 am**

Thanks for your messages. Well I'm going with Sunwing. Reasons:

- Much better pay right off the bat
- Work less days a month

Jazz is great but at the end if mainline doesn't hire me well I'll feel like I've wasted my time and I won't go far with a Dash rating when the economy slows down.

Posted: **Sat Mar 23, 2019 7:39 am**

flyup wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:40 am Thanks for your messages. Well I'm going with Sunwing. Reasons:

- Much better pay right off the bat
- Work less days a month

Jazz is great but at the end if mainline doesn't hire me well I'll feel like I've wasted my time and I won't go far with a Dash rating when the economy slows down.

Good luck, if Sunwing PFO's you? (no sarcasm, just legit question)

Posted: **Mon Mar 25, 2019 4:17 pm**

I started at jazz a few month ago and sunwing just hired me. Thanks.

Posted: **Mon Mar 25, 2019 6:01 pm**

flyup wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2019 4:17 pm I started at jazz a few month ago and sunwing just hired me. Thanks.

Best decision you could have ever made. Congrats.

Posted: **Mon Mar 25, 2019 6:34 pm**

complexintentions wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:03 am Oh, I dunno. I enjoyed being able to take a shower inflight. That's my idea of a "full bathroom". Heated floors, etc.

Oh yeah, erm, uh... Sunwing?

Must be nice up there, looking down on the poor and unfortunate and all...

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:37 am**

flyup wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2019 4:17 pm I started at jazz a few month ago and sunwing just hired me. Thanks.

So you took a job and left without staying a full year despite that company investing money into training you? I hope you turned down The Sunwing job..This is why bonds exist..

I’ve been in this exact position where I interviewed at company A and B. Company A was my dream job and company B wasn’t. Company B had substantially Lower pay etc. however, I was out of a job ..

Company B calls and offers a job. Meanwhile, company A is still doing their hiring process... I’m also unemployed...

I start out at Company B .. get through groundschool and into the sim.

Company A calls and offers the job. I tell company A I’ve made a comittment to company B.. and had to decline despite really wanting to work for company A . My word is worth something...

Did you tell Jazz in their interview that you’d leave if something came up that suited your needs better? ( after they’ve invested in you)

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:17 am**

Jazz has a hidden bond in the form of suppressed pay for the first few years. Everybody "pays" this indirectly.

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:26 am**

goingnowherefast wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:17 am Jazz has a hidden bond in the form of suppressed pay for the first few years. Everybody "pays" this indirectly.

How exactly is that a bond? You can leave whenever you like.

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:37 am**

GhostRider6 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:37 am
flyup wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2019 4:17 pm I started at jazz a few month ago and sunwing just hired me. Thanks.

So you took a job and left without staying a full year despite that company investing money into training you? I hope you turned down The Sunwing job..This is why bonds exist..

I’ve been in this exact position where I interviewed at company A and B. Company A was my dream job and company B wasn’t. Company B had substantially Lower pay etc. however, I was out of a job ..

Company B calls and offers a job. Meanwhile, company A is still doing their hiring process... I’m also unemployed...

I start out at Company B .. get through groundschool and into the sim.

Company A calls and offers the job. I tell company A I’ve made a comittment to company B.. and had to decline despite really wanting to work for company A . My word is worth something...

Did you tell Jazz in their interview that you’d leave if something came up that suited your needs better? ( after they’ve invested in you)

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:38 am**

GhostRider6 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:37 am
flyup wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2019 4:17 pm I started at jazz a few month ago and sunwing just hired me. Thanks.

So you took a job and left without staying a full year despite that company investing money into training you? I hope you turned down The Sunwing job..This is why bonds exist..

I’ve been in this exact position where I interviewed at company A and B. Company A was my dream job and company B wasn’t. Company B had substantially Lower pay etc. however, I was out of a job ..

Company B calls and offers a job. Meanwhile, company A is still doing their hiring process... I’m also unemployed...

I start out at Company B .. get through groundschool and into the sim.

Company A calls and offers the job. I tell company A I’ve made a comittment to company B.. and had to decline despite really wanting to work for company A . My word is worth something...

Did you tell Jazz in their interview that you’d leave if something came up that suited your needs better? ( after they’ve invested in you)

Also talk about burning a major bridge with Jazz........this is a small industry.

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:36 am**

Jazz can suck it. It’s not like he took a Kingair PPC from a mom and pop shop and went to work for the competition next door after 3 months. If Jazz paid their FOs more than starving wages then they wouldn’t have people leaving. Look at the SWG payscale, unlike Jazz, it’s a career destination and not a step up feeder to the AC grinder. And this is coming from a guy who dreamed of joining SWG but had to turn it down because of prior commitments.

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2019 12:32 pm**

daedalusx wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:36 am Jazz can suck it. It’s not like he took a Kingair PPC from a mom and pop shop and went to work for the competition next door after 3 months. If Jazz paid their FOs more than starving wages then they wouldn’t have people leaving. Look at the SWG payscale, unlike Jazz, it’s a career destination and not a step up feeder to the AC grinder. And this is coming from a guy who dreamed of joining SWG but had to turn it down because of prior commitments.

lol. queue all the jazz coolaid fanboy club.

Get this - jazz is a regional airline. nothing different from all the supply shops down in the states apart from the fact you get paid half the amount.

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:53 pm**

Jazz is a long way from being a bad company. For those saying "Jazz can suck it," I'd love to hear your aviation background. Evidently, your experience in the industry is pretty limited. Let me guess: 2 years instructing, 6 months 704, then straight to Jazz? You clearly don't know what shitty is.

Sure, the FO pay leaves a lot to be desired, but it's in-line with most other mainstream regionals. That being said, our contract, scheduling rules, and benefits far exceed the norm. Bottom line, if you don't like it, don't apply.

As for jumping ship after only a few months, that is pretty deplorable, especially when you're working for a good company. While the OP will likely be fine given the current climate, I'm not sure this move will be viewed favourable by other company's if the economy slows down and the OP is forced to apply elsewhere. I know a few places where jumping ship immediately gets your resume in the bin.

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