Need contract PA31-350 single pilot ASAP

Anonymous1 · Post by **Anonymous1** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 11:41 pm

Sorry for the wrong forum but I need a current single pilot PA31-350 Captain PPC pilot to fill in until some current employees build a little more time. Position would probably be about 6 - 8 weeks and I'm pretty flexible. You must have solid IFR skills and be experienced at northern ops. Please note there is no "learning curve" opportunity. You must be completely competent on day 1 in a "black hole" approach at night in heavy blowing snow with a high crosswind and ice covered runway. This opening is available only for someone who is current, experienced, hardworking, safe and can provide outstanding references. Pay $150 per day cash and housing/transportation supplied. PM me with your total time on type, date of last PA31 PPC, description of past northern experience, current employment status, date of availability and daytime phone number.

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 7:16 am

Black hole....strong crosswind....blowing snow(heavy)....and an ice covered runway?? All at the same time? For a buck-fifty a day!! Whooohoooo...where do I sign up?? Methinks I'd stay home that nite and drink beer!

Hedley · Post by **Hedley** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 7:27 am

It is indeed somewhat depressing that a competent pilot is worth so little.

It sure is curious that pilots who don't have to work anywhere near as hard, or fly as well, get paid so much more.

CAL · Post by **CAL** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 7:32 am

I have nothing nice to say so I wont say anything but wtf...I think those days are gone bud

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 7:46 am

How are your guys going to "build time" if the aircraft are flying around with "hired guns"? If your pilots are PPC'd, you might find older guys to ride along for a while for more like 250-300$ per day......but all the guys with PPC's are probably employed already?
It's been a long time since we've seen a post "desperate for pilots" though.

Yoyoma · Post by **Yoyoma** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 8:43 am

Sorry to have to be so blunt but you're the same Operator that was asking "How do I keep my pilots from quitting!!" Well, think about it for a sec. You're paying way too low for the most experienced guy in your company...150$ per duty day, to do this type of flying?

I dunno...

snag · Post by **snag** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 9:05 am

...and not enough testicular fortitude to give a company name or location.

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 9:21 am

I think this kind of thing is great for the industry! While it may not be great for the small operators like this one, it is an indicator that things are starting to swing around for the pilots. Some companies will be forced to "get off their wallets" and pay drivers what they're really worth? We were getting $200 a day for contract jobs in the '70's! One-fifty just wont get the job done today....not if you want the job done right!

C-FOXY · Post by **C-FOXY** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 10:35 am

trey kule · Post by **trey kule** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 10:46 am

Hey guys.

Is this another one of those Troll things?

Doc wrote:Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 8:21 am Post subject:

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I think this kind of thing is great for the industry! While it may not be great for the small operators like this one, it is an indicator that things are starting to swing around for the pilots. Some companies will be forced to "get off their wallets" and pay drivers what they're

If this is troll Doc, you have been had. Maybe someone should vet the help wanted ads and put them in the proper section.

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 11:08 am

C-FOXY wrote:Shitville Northern Saskatchewan.

They have a shitville in the south too?

trey kule · Post by **trey kule** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 11:12 am

What is Toronto?

Do I win?

Anonymous1 · Post by **Anonymous1** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 11:32 am

Position is Red Lake, Ontario for Superior Airways. Its just to help out on some extra work that requires single pilot rating which may end in January (or not) and I want a rest after over a year of going in to work 15 hours a day every day trying to keep it all together. My other crews are 2 crew qualified and I don't want to push them into something they are not comfortable with yet. If you don't like the pay, don't apply but why the whining? Its just to help out for a few weeks so why go all nuts over something so simple. You guys that criticize this without a damn clue about how much effort my employees put in day in and day out to make this company work have absolutely no idea. If you have the attitude of take and take and how much can I get, then you'll just end up bankrupting your present company. I sense a lot of gloating about "payback time" but why don't you try starting your own comany and talk to me in a year before running your damn mouth off.

xsbank · Post by **xsbank** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 12:01 pm

$500 per day, minimum, plus expenses. I'm disgusted that you are the same guy who asked why you couldn't keep your crews. I think the whole thing is a giant troll and I am cheesed off that I actually gave it some thought.

Just to put things in perspective, contract sim operators I know get $725 per day. The only hazards in a sim are bumping your head on the overhead console, paper cuts or possible heart attacks.

The guys that are putting the new furnace in my basement right now get $200 per day plus my free coffee. And they will probably not be taxed on it either.

An interesting reminder about the internet for me. Stop wasting everyone's time.

Phlyer · Post by **Phlyer** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 12:07 pm

Easy Bro. Paying more than $150 per duty day is hardly going to bankrupt you. The last place I flew paid the cojoes that, and that was out of a major centre; and they bitched about it too!
For single pilot ifr in the kind of conditions you are talking about I would expect more - if your clients arn't willing to pay a decent rate to get their pop and chips they need a smack.
I applaud you for trying to make a go of it but come on - anyone with the ppc in hand and the experience can do a lot better right now.
Good luck.

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 12:09 pm

Okay, your other crews are two crew qualified....and you want somebody who is "single pilot rated"? On a Navajo? Have these things not been flown all over the world everyday for decades with one pilot? You say you dont want to "push" your guys into something they're not comfy with yet? What kind of flying are you getting into? Why the single pilot requirement? Weight? Seats? You'd save money by checking your present crews out as single pilots? Because even if you use contract guys with 'ho time, you're still into company trainning? Is a PPC on a 'ho only good if flown two crew? If so, you may be into redoing PPC's on your contract guys...not a lot of single pilot 'ho ops out there anymore? Costs too much to maintain auto-pilots!
If your guys can do it two crew, they sure as hell can do it single crew. Just dont push the wx!

trey kule · Post by **trey kule** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 12:13 pm

D'oh. Is m face red. I too, thought this was a troll. But actually, in deference to all the whining that no one publishes their pay scale, here is someone who did......and look where that got him.

Still think this is a troll but I am amused how serious some people take this job thing. If the pay is to low no one will apply. I bet lots will apply.
Let us know anoymous....if that is your real name.

xsbank · Post by **xsbank** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 12:30 pm

"Let us know anoymous....if that is your real name."

That's cute - first laugh of the day. Good one.

charlie_g · Post by **charlie_g** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 1:13 pm

Hedley wrote:It is indeed somewhat depressing that a competent pilot is worth so little.

It sure is curious that pilots who don't have to work anywhere near as hard, or fly as well, get paid so much more.

Don't know if this will be a news flash or not, but flying isn't the only industry where those doing the harder (hardest) work are getting paid less than those doing what appear to be easier jobs. Experience and level of responsibility often count for a lot more than the task at hand, and again, not just for flying, but for most things.

split s · Post by **split s** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 1:33 pm

you gotta give credit for giving cash, how much do ho drivers make anyway?

low n over · Post by **low n over** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 1:55 pm

Your full time hard workin guys will never stick around once they build some hours. Not because you bring in experianced people to help out, but because your only paying a contract guy 150 a day so i'd hate to know what the full time guys make. Call Dynamic I'm sure they'd love to sub you one of there poor b$#tar*s for $150 a day, cause they only give there pilots that the days they fly.

Nickle and dimeing your flight crews will cost you alot in the end. You'll go through more people than the russian army, and your operation will lose alot of credability with your client base. And if you try to bring in an experianced guy to shore things up for awhile it certainly will cost you more than it would have to keep your regular guys around.

CLguy · Post by **CLguy** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 2:34 pm

I used to do the same thing that you are looking for. I was PPC'd on a Navajo would fill in for a company in Fort Frances, Ontario so we are talking the same general area. Just for comparison, I got $200 per day whether I flew or not and that was in the mid 80's.

Let me do the math, aahh lets see, that was 20 years ago!!!!!

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 3:32 pm

http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopi ... 236#130236

position is filled

desksgo wrote:The aviation god's have honoured me with a week's worth of employment, so I get to do some traveling until Christmas.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 3:44 pm

On the other hand I can sort of see where anonymous is stuck.

By the time he pays for insurance, maintenance, Bank payments, overhead, etc., and all the fees to TC and Nav Canada plus all the useless hours doing paper work for TC to prove that you are actually doing the f.cking job that these morons issued you a license stating you were competent to perform, I'm suprised he can afford the internet connection to look for a pilot.

There is something seriously wrong with your industry guys and girls.

And therein lies your low pay problem.

Cat

sprucemonkey · Post by **sprucemonkey** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 3:47 pm

Northway was paying around 250/day back in the mid 90's and Fast was paying 100/day for a seat warmer on the 2 crew runs back then.

Hope you're collecting EI and not reporting it. Bring an ice auger for those bad wx days to catch some 'eyes. Oh, sorry....

....in heavy blowing snow with a high crosswind and ice covered runway

you'll be working.