Are you sure the 705 side of the operations has this special authorization? Or is the basler run as 703. Last I checked 705 can't to this special authorization, you also can't fly night vfr.
New North Star Basler Accident (Number 3)
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Good point I think they run them 704 but I’m not to sure if the op spec applies to 704
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C-FKAL, a Douglas DC-3C-BT67 operated by North Star Air Ltd, was conducting a cargo flight
from Red Lake (CYRL), ON to Sachigo Lake (CZPB), ON, with 2 flight crew members on board.
While on approach to CZPB, the aircraft collided with terrain approximately 500 metres southwest
of the threshold of Runway 10. The 2 flight crew members received no injuries. The aircraft
sustained substantial damage. The TSB is investigating.
from Red Lake (CYRL), ON to Sachigo Lake (CZPB), ON, with 2 flight crew members on board.
While on approach to CZPB, the aircraft collided with terrain approximately 500 metres southwest
of the threshold of Runway 10. The 2 flight crew members received no injuries. The aircraft
sustained substantial damage. The TSB is investigating.
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The LPV is going to put you high by it’s design because the glide path is aimed for 1000’ down the runway. Any variations or deviation on the approach will make it worse. I’m guessing the approach was less than stellar, then broke it off to circle/maneuver (whatever you feel like calling it) to the runway with what they thought was sufficient references and ended up in the bush perhaps overshooting runway 28 vs short of Rwy 10.
Perhaps lots of poor decision making but was it illegal? There’s been no certificate action yet.....
After AC in YHZ and then SFOx2 I done guessing how perfectly good airplanes get bent up like this...
Perhaps lots of poor decision making but was it illegal? There’s been no certificate action yet.....
After AC in YHZ and then SFOx2 I done guessing how perfectly good airplanes get bent up like this...
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That's not really how it works, or the intent of the ops spec.
You brief an IFR approach? Fly it.
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i am no TSB investigator nor a TC inspector but the answer to all their questions is:
COMPANY CULTURE
COMPANY CULTURE
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No certificate action because there's nothing to prove what the crews did...in any of their three crashes. Can't pull an AOC based on rumours and hearsay.
If you're good at doctoring the books, you can crash airplanes all day long. TC will be really confused cause the paperwork looks good. That's the difference between the paperwork world and the real world. It's also the reason SMS will never work for sketchy operators.
If you're good at doctoring the books, you can crash airplanes all day long. TC will be really confused cause the paperwork looks good. That's the difference between the paperwork world and the real world. It's also the reason SMS will never work for sketchy operators.
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Have any pictures of this accident been released?
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Oh god, for a second, I thought there was a 4th ! Ha ha, not really funny, but sortof.
Does anybody know if this last crash is being recovered or if it will be rebuilt?
Does anybody know if this last crash is being recovered or if it will be rebuilt?
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Haha, we should start numbering the thread titles. However, still at 3 crashes...and still disappointed in the regulator's inaction. Good thing they're just boxes and cargo pilot's lives don't matter
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Knowing how North Star operates, the crew of the downed Basler were probably told to run back to Red Lake from Sachigo, switch into the last remaining Basler and fly cargo for the rest of the day.
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Ding Ding, we have a winner!
Exactly, it's just boxes. If they want to kill themselves cause they're shitty decision makers, hero's, or as described on the history channel "this captain walks the thin line between cockiness and confidence ", then let them. But you can gaurentee if they kill a pax in a pc12 or other, I imagine the OC will be history.goingnowherefast wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2020 9:58 am However, still at 3 crashes...and still disappointed in the regulator's inaction.
I guess I should write something here.
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Best first post ever.
Used to deal with the “get er done” mindset for years. Toss all the technical horse around all you want...bottom line? Yup, you hit it.
Cheers
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They were the only bond I ever signed, and the only job I ever left before my commitment was up. Leaving was worth every penny.Illya Kuryakin wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2020 8:23 pmBest first post ever.
Used to deal with the “get er done” mindset for years. Toss all the technical horse around all you want...bottom line? Yup, you hit it.
Cheers
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It's hard to tell from the image, is the wing snapped off? I've heard DC-3's don't have wing spars.
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But when we flew there, the chief pilot had good hair though. I always remember “The Pilatus doesn’t care”Redneck_pilot86 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 23, 2020 2:24 amThey were the only bond I ever signed, and the only job I ever left before my commitment was up. Leaving was worth every penny.Illya Kuryakin wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2020 8:23 pmBest first post ever.
Used to deal with the “get er done” mindset for years. Toss all the technical horse around all you want...bottom line? Yup, you hit it.
Cheers
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AFAIK it is a 3 spar wing but I believe the attachment is the flange on the chord perimeter. Borek guys feel free to jump in
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We've all seen the one picture that is posted, but does anyone have any more pictures or information on salvage efforts? (assuming it is to be rebuilt)
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Rumour I heard is that one was a write-off and wasn't going to be rebuilt. That could be wrong or may have changed.