Senseless Crimes

Cool Rythms! · Post by **Cool Rythms!** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 6:49 pm

Every once in a while, you really have to stop and wonder what this world of ours is coming to. At a time when we all should be spreading peace and good will amongst each other, people are still out there shooting each other.

I'm referring specifically to the senseless, barbaric shooting in downtown Toronto on boxing day, the busiest shopping day of the year. One minute, an innocent fifteen year old girl is shopping with mom and dad, next minute, they are screaming over their dead childs body. Caught in the crossfire of what obviously was a gang related shooting.

Toronto's gang problem is getting extremely serious and it's time that the city started doing something about it. It's getting to the point where people are afraid to even walk down the street, for fear that a shooting may suddenly break out. Parents grow old worrying about their kids from the time they leave for school, til the time they come home. And oh how happy they are, jus to see them come home at the end of the day.

My cousin and I worry about her kids, because we don't know what kind of company they keep. Since my cousin is a single mother, whenever I go to visit, I always play the father figure and try to encourage them to choose their friends wisely and to avoid loitering around the malls when school finishes.

This whole thing really agravates me, because these gang members have absolutely no regard for other peoples lives.

How many of you have sons, daughters, nieces or cousins, who are at that age where you constantly worry about where they hang out and the kind of company they keep?

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 8:00 pm

Don't worry, with immigration on the rise(it's been increased) and they'll all be settling in Toronto, it will only escalate... *

And yes, people should worry about who their children hang out with, but keeping in mind refusing your children from associating with certain people will probably get the "rebel" in them to do just the opposite...

*Does not suggest immigration is the sole problem and contributor or one ethnic group is worse then the next, just a subtle observation.

Nark · Post by **Nark** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 8:23 pm

I was going to write out a long detailed correlation between this shooting and Canada getting behind actions to prevent further crimes and it's lack of involvement in global crimes of similar nature, but what's the point.

Canada should reinstate the death penalty. Or just let me and my platoon have a live fire exercise in many of the corrections facilities.

rotorhead350 · Post by **rotorhead350** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 9:30 pm

Its about time we start deporting these F****** gangsters , or we bring back the death penalty. I'm tired of watching our government let the trash in...........................

Cool Rythms! · Post by **Cool Rythms!** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 10:27 pm

I was listening to the late news and they were talking about how Toronto police and the mayor are asking the public for their help in cracking down on gang violence. But who the hell is gonna talk. People are afraid to open their mouths for fear that they may end up victims of a drive by shooting.

Its almost getting to be like Brooklyn, NY, where someone can get stabbed in broad daylight, in front ot hundreds of people, but as soon as the police arrive, suddenly no one remembers seeing anything.

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 10:38 pm

We need good ol' fashioned Vigilante justice, but the people have spoons, for weapons... and the enemy has semi-automatics...

Inverted2 · Post by **Inverted2** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 10:51 pm

Deport em! Toronto used to be a good city 20 years ago. I had a friend who grew up in Brampton who said it was a nice quiet town. Now look at it!

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 10:55 pm

Or just let all new immigrants go to Quebce, that would probably solve all of Canada's problems, since the Quebecers wouldn't tolerate that shit, they'd either tell the Gov't to stop importing(immigration) or they'd tell them to create some harsher laws on thugs so they could "get rid of them(ala Nark and friends)."

Nark · Post by **Nark** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 11:28 pm

I'm confused cyyz, was I kicked out of Canada?

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 11:33 pm

nark wrote:I'm confused cyyz, was I kicked out of Canada?

No, you wanted to take your platoon to Mimico/Don and go and shoot our "guests," so if the feds don't pass tougher laws, the quebecers wouldn't mind letting you and friends go into prisons and kick their asses.

Nark · Post by **Nark** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 11:55 pm

I understand now.
Thanks for the clearing it up.

Walker · Post by **Walker** » Fri Dec 30, 2005 1:02 am

Im sure some one will get their panties in a twist but: crime is a fact of life, look at the population densities, it just seems worse because population is more and more concentrated; People have been senselessly killing others for a LONG time, and will do so until the demise of the species, nothing other than reprogramming the genome will solve this.

Its sad, but it’s the Cost of doing business ( I will refer people to my rant on over population)

Personally I think that doing something radical like legalizing all drugs and institutionalizing body houses etc…. would deal a HUGE blow to gangs organized crime etc… wouldn’t stop it, but it would slow it down…. Lots of negs and positives, but I think it would help a lot… Do you have ANY idea how much $$ the illegal drug industry produces for the economy in North America?????? Compared to the costs that society pays with addiction etc…. the benefits of a legalized, taxed, and REGULATED industry are easily seen.

-walk

EI-EIO · Post by **EI-EIO** » Fri Dec 30, 2005 7:24 am

In the Star this morning there was a reprint from the St John's Telegram or something saying all this newspaper/tv news bullsh!t about how Toronto lost its innocence on Boxing Day just because someone was shot on a downtown street rather than a stripmall or nightclub at Jane and Finch was just ridiculous - quite fscking right my newfie friend.

Even in today's Star the handwringers are out in force in the letters page. It's time for Chief "Tony" Blair to run Malvern style operations every month - not just one sweep and pat ourselves on the back for a job well done in one area.

All we can hope for is that Toronto lost its apathy to do something about it this weekend - but I doubt it. No matter how many platitudes Jane Creba's parents and family receive this week, this city doesn't have the balls to make her death mean something.

CLguy · Post by **CLguy** » Fri Dec 30, 2005 8:11 am

Cool Rythms writes:

My cousin and I worry about her kids, because we don't know what kind of company they keep.

Here lies the root of most of the problems. If a parent can't even take the time the find out what sort of friends their kids are hanging with, why the hell should society care about them?

If my kids were involved with these kinds of thugs, I'd have my family uprooted and moved to a smaller, quieter town before daylight. There is no reason strong enough to stay in that enviroment and watch your kids throw their lives away even before they get started.

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Fri Dec 30, 2005 2:54 pm

CLguy wrote: I'd have my family uprooted and moved to a smaller, quieter town before daylight. There is no reason strong enough to stay in that enviroment and watch your kids throw their lives away even before they get started.

That's the problem though, those "small" and "quiet" towns are being developed and crime is going up in Durham and Peel.

So you'd move to the next spot, within a few years, urban sprawl catches up to you, and you move again?

Yeah crime is everywhere

but: crime is a fact of life, look at the population densities, it just seems worse because population is more and more concentrated; People have been senselessly killing others for a LONG time, and will do so until the demise of the species, nothing other than reprogramming the genome will solve this.

But because it's concentrated it becomes more predominant... If you didn't let every immigrant move to GTA, Hongcouver, Montreal it would ease the situation.

We should have them integrated into a small town, 1 family, into 1 town across the province, these towns need people, and after a year or 2 they could move to the bigger cities, and again continue to perpetuate the segregation, but atleast, it would slow it down.

The way it is now, immigration, raises the housing prices, crime, car congestion. Not good.

Since no one wants to stop it, could we atleast, slow it down, a bit, please. thnx

Inverted2 · Post by **Inverted2** » Fri Dec 30, 2005 4:21 pm

Send all the "new" indians up with "our" indians in Pickle Lake. I'm sure they would get along eventually!

Siddley Hawker · Post by **Siddley Hawker** » Fri Dec 30, 2005 7:52 pm

In 1968 the so-called three wise men Trudeau, Pelletier and Marchand went to Ottawa to save Quebec. At the time Jean Marchand also let it be know that another of their prioroties was to - quote "make Conservative Toronto a Liberal Toronto."
Too bad they're no longer around. I'd love to ask them if they're proud of the job they've done.

CLguy · Post by **CLguy** » Fri Dec 30, 2005 8:59 pm

Well YYZ not sure how much you know about the country outside of the golden triangle, but from where I come from Durham and Peel is considered Toronto. In my post I stated I would move away, not to the next suburb.

shitdisturber · Post by **shitdisturber** » Fri Dec 30, 2005 9:27 pm

There's an old saying; "if you can't do the time, don't do the crime." Unfortunately doing time in Canada is a joke because we're far too interested in "rehabilitating" these unfortunate, misunderstood thugs. Until laws get some teeth we're going to continue to have problems. My take on crime and punishment may be a bit draconian but it'll work better than the farce we've got going now. Simply; you commit a crime, especially one of violence, you go away for a long time. Not to one of our club feds either. When you get out, if you're an immigrant; you're deported, pure and simple. I wonder how many of our gang problems would go away if immigrants were told when they got here; "if you break our laws, you go back to whatever hell hole you came from."

Ok, end of rant, flame away.

Cargo Pilot · Post by **Cargo Pilot** » Fri Dec 30, 2005 10:58 pm

I guess none of you dumb-asses read the newspaper. Paul Martin is going to ban handguns.

Wait until Jan 23rd when he is re-elected and it becomes illegal to commit a crime with a handgun.

Go get em Paul, you're my hero.

CLguy · Post by **CLguy** » Sat Dec 31, 2005 8:49 am

"Shitdisturber for Prime Minister"

Inverted2 · Post by **Inverted2** » Sat Dec 31, 2005 11:20 am

Most people dont realize that handguns are basically banned as it is now. It is so restrictive to own one now. Im sure all the gangsters in Toronto will surrender theirs when the Lie-berals ban them.

Cool Rythms! · Post by **Cool Rythms!** » Sun Jan 01, 2006 12:32 pm

Cargo Pilot wrote:

I guess none of you dumb-asses read the newspaper. Paul Martin is going to ban handguns

As if that will change anything. As long as there are suppliers of illegal firearms out there, gangs (and just about anyone else for that matter) will have access to them for the right price.

And if they can't get em here, they'll go across the border and smuggle them in.

What Martin should do is go to the root of the problem, by imposing more control over firearms entering the country and where they go.

And yes you're absolutely right CLguy. If parents aren't keeping tabs on who their kids hang out with, why should society care. After all, it's not up to society to raise our kids, it's up to the people who brought them into this society.

justplanecrazy · Post by **justplanecrazy** » Sun Jan 01, 2006 2:33 pm

Cool Rythms! wrote: And yes you're absolutely right CLguy. If parents aren't keeping tabs on who their kids hang out with, why should society care. After all, it's not up to society to raise our kids, it's up to the people who brought them into this society.

You're joking right??? Damn what I wouldn't give to put a guy that makes a dumbass comment like that into a home with an alcoholic abusive father and a crack whore mother, with a racist aunt and a pedophile uncle. Glad to see you never took your upbringing for granted.

I'm hoping that you bastardized CLguy's post. I'm hoping that CLguy was saying that if you are raising your children in an area where these shootings gangsta's are living, don't be surprised when they're shot or carrying a gun. I don't think he was saying that kids raised by idiot parents should be expected to raise themselves when their parents fail to.

Cool Rythms! · Post by **Cool Rythms!** » Sun Jan 01, 2006 5:23 pm

I'm not saying that kids who aren't raised properly by their parents should raise themselves. What I'm really trying to say, is that parents should take more care in raising their kids, because when they don't, thats when the kids turn to the streets. And of course, when they do that, they fall under all kinds of influences.

And no, I never did take my upbringing for granted, as I was raised in a very strict West Indian family. And best of all, I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance by switching to Geico.