Should Canadian airlines stop flights to UK, New covid strain.

[montado]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/british-c ... -1.5849235

Other nations are stopping flights, will Canada follow?

[garfield]

We're doomed

[CpnCrunch]

I'm surprised anyone was still flying to the UK at all. It's been a COVID cesspool for a while now.

[altiplano]

There are already thousands of variants of this virus.

[skypirate88]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada ... -1.5849598

Airlines won't be making the decision, it's already been made for them

[BTD]

All caused mortality in the UK. Since June it has been pretty stable. Maybe this years respiratory season came a bit early.

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[sanjet]

All flights to UK cancelled starting tomorrow from Canada.

Europe is next given the panic. I actually think all pax flights will be grounded in the coming days weeks. Probably the final nail in the coffin for airlines without government help.

[twa22]

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[HavaJava]

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[HavaJava]

All caused mortality in the UK. Since June it has been pretty stable. Maybe this years respiratory season came a bit early.

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If only the masses would realize this. Respiratory illnesses are competitive...if you are vulnerable then in all likelihood you will perish during the respiratory season...the most competitive virus will get you...if it wasn’t Covid then it was going to be another.

And before you shout me down for just being a know nothing pilot...this came from a epidemiologist on the BBC so go @#$& yourself. (not directed at you BTD)

[kilo3bravo]

Covid-20 Pro Version, out just in time for Christmas.

Given these mutations/strain variants have been circulating the globe for some time now - I am skeptical that temporarily suspending flights will make much of difference at all. Read this morning they expect vaccine will still be effective on these strains and similar (unverifiable source / I am not a doctor).

[2R]

Any news on when Bat soup will be back on the menu ?
You can still fly to Chynnaaa , and that bat soup must be to die for , darling

[Eric Janson]

Latest from the BBC:-

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55404087

40 Countries have imposed travel bans to/from the UK and more travel bans in other regions.

Is this going to happen every time the Virus mutates? Mass hysteria isn't helpful imho.

One key point that seems to be missing is whether this strain is more or less lethal (my understanding is that when a virus mutates it usually weakens).

[ayseven]

It seems to have been forgotten that the only reason all these restrictions are imposed is to stop hospitals from overflowing. I have family that can't get cancer surgery as it is in this country. The only hysterics I see are from pilots in Canada. Maybe I don't get out enough.

[montado]

So any new ideas on how covid should/could have been handled better? Our hospitals are now full of doctors and nurses who go out into the community and spread the virus because we mixed everyone together under one roof.

Maybe an idea for next pandemic, open up a few satellite makeshift pandemic centers. Say a province like Ontario could open 5-10 of them province wide. To staff it you pay the doctors and nurses exorbitant amounts of cash, with a condition that they do rotation work where they live at the center for 3 months at a time. You could even just say anyone who works at the pandemic center doesn't have to pay income taxes that year on their job related income. The cash will get health care providers to volunteer to work in the pandemic center, the pandemic center itself keeps the virus contained at a location other than where our primary healthcare is provided (like china's pop up hospital built in 6 days). And 3 month (or whatever duration) rotation with thorough screening on departure means our health care workers don't go home every night to infect their family and allow the virus to spread into the community as easily. Basically you could turn a university campus into a pandemic center as you would have housing for staff, and most infrastructure you need.

I think we could all come up with ideas of how this could be dealt with better. But lets face it, the way this pandemic was handled was do nothing, and hope the vaccine comes soon enough. It was not deadly enough to take evasive action, so now everything looks like a big over reaction. Anyways now we are just riding this out with half measures, we have caused more harm than the virus itself. We made damaging decisions while doing little to stop the virus from spreading.

Do you know what the number one action to prevent the spread of influenza and other similar viruses? Believe it or not, its wash your hands. How do you get the Flu? By touching your face. Unless someone coughs or sneezes right on you, its going to be touching something with the virus and then touching your face. Unfortunately while this has been part of the messaging I think the media, and peoples belief's are a little backwards.

Wear a Mask, Physical Distance, Wash your hands

Maybe Could have been

Wash your Hands, Physical Distance, Wear a Mask

But I guess you can't virtue signal with hand washing... Like ohhh look at me washing my hands, I'm better than you! Nah, only something like a mask would work for that. We continue to divert 90 percent of our energy into measures that are factually (when speaking about influenzas) less effective. When people in China wear a mask its because they are symptomatic. Its because they are coughing and sneezing. To wear a mask with zero symptoms...and if you insist wash your hands when putting it on and taking it off. Think about it if you wear a mask to reduce viral load into the atmosphere, you now have a dirty mask with an enormous viral load. You put it on and take it off and this load is all over your hands. You now touch things that other people commonly touch such as door knobs. Was the mask really the best defense? Does anyone really think we are doing this right?

Of course staying home when you are symptomatic is number one, But when you are out at work, or shopping, washing your hands is the most important thing you can do. However What I see is masks, people touching their faces and snotty masks, and very little hand washing in relation to the mask measure. Every time you touch your mask you should be washing your hands, the hell if I can do that when forced to wear a mask half the day. And of course this is data in relation to Influenza, not covid specifically. But my non expert opinion would say they probably have this in common. And if you believe covid is spreading by aerosols, well that renders the mask pretty much useless anyways. Well I'm going to wash my hands and take my vitamin D.

[2R]

Too little , too late .
ICAO should have stopped all flights from Wuhan when the Chinese stopped allowing flights from Wuhan to Beijing.

[bobcaygeon]

All caused mortality in the UK. Since June it has been pretty stable. Maybe this years respiratory season came a bit early.

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If only the masses would realize this. Respiratory illnesses are competitive...if you are vulnerable then in all likelihood you will perish during the respiratory season...the most competitive virus will get you...if it wasn’t Covid then it was going to be another.

And before you shout me down for just being a know nothing pilot...this came from a epidemiologist on the BBC so go @#$& yourself. (not directed at you BTD)

Except in a normal year our hospitals and ICU's don't overflow from these competitive illnesses and and cancel other important surgeries? Where would we be at if we did nothing at all? Even with our actions it's still already killed more people than influenza has in the last decade.

How's that working out in Sweden now? Even the lead epidemiologist fo rtheir strategy has admitted he was wrong and now is trying to figure out how he doesn't become the martyr and infamous for it.

Sure there are lots of mutations and hopefully it will mutate itself to a non-issue but there appear to be a few strains that are potentially a bigger problem. The UK likely took 3 months to figure this issue out because science takes time and it would taken significant data to figure out that it was a problem vs overnight. Hopefully they are right that the vaccines are effective but again that takes time, the vaccines have just been approved, there's a waiting period between 1st and 2nd dose, then it takes time for the vaccine to work, for re-exposure to the virus, and then monitoring to see what health effects it has.

[doiwannabeapilot]

but feelings might have been hurt.
All hail Trudeau.

Too little , too late .
ICAO should have stopped all flights from Wuhan when the Chinese stopped allowing flights from Wuhan to Beijing.

[BTD]

How's that working out in Sweden now?

Seems that their lack of lockdown didn’t make too much of a difference. They are doing better then some that did a lockdown and worse then others. And their trends are downwards now. Below are the covid deaths data, uncorrected for demographics and also data for all caused mortality in Sweden.

There is no question this year has been bad and covid is the the likely cause, the question is, what does the data show now that we passed the “first wave”.

I encourage all to follow the data and not just a journalists opinion on the data.

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[BTD]

Here is the data from euromomo on all caused mortality from the 26 European countries that are participating.

Seems that this season is shaping up to be about what 2018 was although maybe a bit earlier of a start.

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[ReserveTank]

This is the UK getting punished for Brexit--just in time for the high holidays. Double whammy. The EU is playing good cop by saying that the restrictions could be eased--as if.
Ontario's lockdown is going to cost us (the industry) more lift, and so are the restrictions in America's coastal "paradises" in the West and Northeast.
The industry is in the toilet, and without having printed up tons of cash this year, would already be done.

The vaccines will not end travel restrictions on an appreciable scale. The vaccines will not stop masking and distancing, two major policies that repel customers.

So to answer the original question, "Should Canadian airlines stop flights to UK?":

Yes. Hell, stop the entire Canadian aviation industry.

• For all the true corona believers, the officials and citizens who want our lives turned inside out over a 0.3% chance of falling ill

• For all the pro-masker cabin crews and airport agents that rigidly enforce these perverted masking protocols and enjoy the psychological distress that these unnecessary rules cause

• For all of the sperg cockpit crews that defend these protocols with endless, head-in-the-sand reasoning

• For all the people that ridicule others for being suspicious in the face of obvious, unscientific contradiction

Time to end it. If you're helping promote the korona regime, you don't deserve this career, and you don't deserve to go anywhere.

[Gino Under]

ReserveTank

You're absolutely spot on!
Every one of us should quietly and happily live in your fantasy world.
What are we thinking?
Covid, Covid, Covid.
Bah, humbug!

There, I feel better already.
Gino Under

[iflyforpie]

Except in a normal year our hospitals and ICU's don't overflow from these competitive illnesses and and cancel other important surgeries? Where would we be at if we did nothing at all? Even with our actions it's still already killed more people than influenza has in the last decade.

We ran out of toilet paper, too. Did people all of a sudden start pooping more?

No.. both are caused by media-fed mass hysteria. And given that most hospitals are absolutely ridden with MSRA, many of the COVID “victims” died of bacterial superinfection they otherwise wouldn’t have caught.

[BTD]

Here is the only data I’ve been able to find so far regarding hospital admittance this year vs previous years. From back in November and from the US. It seems that this data isn’t readily publicly available (though maybe I just can’t find it) so it is tough to compare previous years vs this year.

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[montado]

Except in a normal year our hospitals and ICU's don't overflow from these competitive illnesses and and cancel other important surgeries? Where would we be at if we did nothing at all? Even with our actions it's still already killed more people than influenza has in the last decade.

Where would we be if we did nothing at all? As in if we did nothing except said wash your hands and be diligent because this years cold and flu season will be much worse with covid? Had we done that I would say cases would be pretty much on par with todays count. I am actually convinced the way masks have been implemented has been more damaging than no masks at all. Does it take an expert to understand this? For the past century to fight off influenza we have used hand washing. That has been the most effective measure to prevent the spread of influenzas. So why have we tried to re-invent the wheel and use masks? Can you honestly tell me you think people wash their hands before and after every time they touch the mask? The only way a mask would make sense is if covid was primarily spreading by aerosols, and if masks actually stopped aerosols. So no masks don't stop aerosols, it stops droplets. Droplets end up on surfaces and then spread by contact. A mask is the most filthy thing on your body today and people remove and put them back on constantly without washing hands. I am certain many covid cases have been caused by the mask and lack of handwashing. No one seems to understand that a mask only makes sense when you are symptomatic. It makes zero sense to be asymptomatic and put filth in front of your mouth.

We have literally been set up to put more germs on our hands. This is outrageous. Like I cant even believe I have to defend hand washing and explain how stupid it is to put something over your face to catch more germs so you can spread them. The only way for a mask to work is to treat it like hospital staff who have literal SOPs on how to put a mask on and take it off. 100 percent the miss use of masks has made things worse. If we were not touching our faces, washing our hands and staying home if symptomatic, cases would be lower. Dr. Tam was 100 percent correct with her first statements on masks and why they should not be used... then she threw 100 years of research out the window and said covid must be so different than influenza and spreads differently... yeah right... like what the @#$! is this some mystical fairy virus that has wings and can fly around but the mask is the power ranger shield of stopping the virus.

Like for @#$! sakes just get back to basics... when you shit you wash your hands, when its flu season you wash your hands... we don't all wear a fucking mask when we shit and say this will save us! When you fart with your mask on can you smell it? If covid was spreading mostly by aerosol we would be doomed! How stupid can people be. The ignorance is incredible. I cant believe anyone would be so stupid to defend a mask. Look how far into this we are... you would literally have to be an idiot to keep defending masks as if they work in any practical setting. Why are the experts heads so far up their asses that they are so afraid to say masks aren't working, lets start over... stop touching your face, stop touching surfaces, and when you don't have a choice wash your hands.