Metro & Cirrus midair - Colorado

[golden hawk]

https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/12/us/color ... index.html

[goldeneagle]

different angle, all one can say is 'wow'. Damage in the vertical stab and 3/4 of the fuselage section missing.

[boeingboy]

After years of working with metros - I don't know how that thing stayed in one piece!

A bunch of lucky souls...they should all buy lotto tickets!

[pelmet]

Looks like the Metro is competing with the 737(Aloha Airlines) for toughest remaining airframe. I still think the 737 might have the edge as the Aloha crew subsequently did a high speed emergency descent after their very rapid decompression(it sucked the headsets off the crew and blew out the cockpit door).

Sudden decompression/structural failure.....keep the speed relatively slow.

[FL030]

The Cirrus chute, which was initially mocked as a gimmick or crutch for poor airmanship, has proven itself to be a pretty good idea.

[boeingboy]

I wonder what damage the Cirrus had? Video shows in descending in one piece and looks like most damage was from landing under the chute. Did he really need to pull it or was it and "Oh sh$t" moment.

[photofly]

The Cirrus chute, which was initially mocked as a gimmick or crutch for poor airmanship, has proven itself to be a pretty good idea.

The Cirrus pilot is advised of traffic on approach to the parallel runway, overshoots the turn to final, and crashes over and through the top of the Metroliner. Then (not unreasonably, by that point) pulls the chute.

What was that about the chute being a crutch for poor airmanship, again?

[freakonature]

I take back every bad thing I have said about Metro’s.
Good ending.

[challenger_nami]

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VIDEO: https://youtu.be/zVyA6jSP_ds
Video footage of the Cirrus’ parachute landing after the mid air collision with the Metroliner in Denver.

NEWS COVERAGE: https://youtu.be/tSsA7GK6QUM



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[digits_]

One less metro and one less cirrus in the air. Win-win?

[karmutzen]

Parallel runways, really close together (700' centreline to centreline). Metro was cleared to land on the left from a 6-7 mile final. Cirrus was downwind right for the right runway and overshot both his runway and the one the Metro was aiming for. Don't overshoot a turn to final on a parallel runway (automatic missed if IFR). Tesla should take over Cirrus production so their pilots can sit in the back an let the box fly. Honestly, with the number of write-offs of Cirrus (every time they pull the chute), I can't believe any insurance company will cover them.

In fairness to the Cirrus guy, parallel VFR operations with "really too close" runways. You'd think that accurate circuit flying would have been drilled into him. He was a local pilot. Aren't Cirrus chock-full of glass plus ADSB?

Metro guy called a Mayday for a "failed right engine" and carried on in profile for an OEI landing. He had no idea he was missing a slice of key lime pie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5tb2dVWJqc

[challenger_nami]

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The Metro pilot was very calm, collected and professional on the radio.
A Metroliner is difficult to fly and land on a good day.

The Metro Pilot in this case managed to SINGLE handedly fly & land a stricken Metroliner. His bird had a huge chunk of its fuselage missing, and possibly with an engine failure(?!) He practically became a test pilot after the mid-air collision.

Either the Metro pilot was lucky, OR this Metro Pilot is one of the top 10 pilots alive... likes of Sully Sullenberger.
I would say the latter. Kudos.

The opposite holds true for the Cirrus dude, and the ATC to a lesser extent. One big Major F*** Up.
Rotten tomatoes.



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[pelmet]

Parallel runway ops with the runways close together. Apparently, the Cirrus overshot the turn to final and conflicted with the traffic on final for the parallel runway.

Ensuring that one doesn’t encroach on the parallel flight path is extremely important. It seems that most of us are trained to keep the pattern ‘square’ for the turn to final. I have flown at a few of these airports in the US and don’t hesitate to start an intentional bit of an early turn to final(traffic permitting), especially if there is a tailwind on the base leg.

Similar caution applies on takeoff to not drift toward the parallel, which can be particularly easy in crosswinds. Best to intentionally over correct a bit. On time I was departing PDK with its parallels and fortunately did this correction as an L-39 did a low and over on the parallel at the same time and came surprisingly close to me.

[PostmasterGeneral]

Was that Metro single pilot?

[JDW]

Wow

[co-joe]

The Metro is so loud the pilot didn't even know he'd been in a mid air or that the T roof was open. He thought he had an engine failure.

[boeingboy]

Yea - I doubt he had an engine failure. He heard a bang and probably a yaw to the right because the Cirrus hit him on the right side - pushing the tail to the left (right yaw) ....but he never shut down the engine and in the shots of it parked - the blades are on the locks, all evidence points to the engine still running until normal shutdown on the ramp. In ATC recordings he said "I think I have an engine failure". probably after a quick scan he realized it was still running and carried on as normal.

Still did a hell of a job and is very lucky to still be alive.

[gwagen]

Love or hate him Dan Gryders analysis seem plausible.

https://youtu.be/bb_csjwBDr8

[TG]

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The Metro pilot was very calm, collected and professional on the radio.
A Metroliner is difficult to fly and land on a good day.

The Metro Pilot in this case managed to SINGLE handedly fly & land a stricken Metroliner. His bird had a huge chunk of its fuselage missing, and possibly with an engine failure(?!) He practically became a test pilot after the mid-air collision.

Either the Metro pilot was lucky, OR this Metro Pilot is one of the top 10 pilots alive... likes of Sully Sullenberger.
I would say the latter. Kudos.

The opposite holds true for the Cirrus dude, and the ATC to a lesser extent. One big Major F*** Up.
Rotten tomatoes.



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Just very lucky and as said above, didn't (initially) realize it was a collision.

[rookiepilot]

Love or hate him Dan Gryders analysis seem plausible.

https://youtu.be/bb_csjwBDr8

Yup. Tailwind on base, same altitude, hazy sunrise, close together runways....close one.

[Old fella]

Always a selection of hyperventilating YouTube talking heads coming from all angles.

[JayVee]

Maybe the experts can weigh in.
Captain Kirk?.....

[pelmet]

Love or hate him Dan Gryders analysis seem plausible.

https://youtu.be/bb_csjwBDr8

Yup. Tailwind on base, same altitude, hazy sunrise, close together runways....close one.

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Another good reason to angle onto final with close-together parallel runways(traffic permitting - and whatever other individual factors that could come into play). How much of an angle.........can only say, use good judgement, like in so many other aspects of aviation.

[challenger_nami]

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TV News Interview with Greg Feith, former NTSB investigator, who made numerous appearances on the MAYDAY Crash Investigation series:

VIDEO: https://youtu.be/YhHUUHKCsjc

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[rigpiggy]

I can't find the picture on this accident, but basically peeled 3/4 the way around just behind flightdeck, the cockpit held on by the floor beams. https://aviation-safety.net/database/re ... 19660415-0 anyone find the photo please post.