Porter receiving E195-E2?
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Re: Porter receiving E195-E2?
Maybe not.
But there must be some restriction on having 2 pilots up front with zero time on type.
The jurisdiction I fly in requires 1 of the two up front to have 100hrs on type.
So priority is to get Capt's to 100hrs after entry into service of a new type so they can fly with new FO's, but they would still need to fly with someone with 100hrs on type until they themselves get that requirement.
This usually necessitates bring in some outside help until sufficient Capt's gain the required experience.
But there must be some restriction on having 2 pilots up front with zero time on type.
The jurisdiction I fly in requires 1 of the two up front to have 100hrs on type.
So priority is to get Capt's to 100hrs after entry into service of a new type so they can fly with new FO's, but they would still need to fly with someone with 100hrs on type until they themselves get that requirement.
This usually necessitates bring in some outside help until sufficient Capt's gain the required experience.
Re: Porter receiving E195-E2?
Otherwise known as ‘consolidation’. Different requirements for different jurisdictions and different operators.Bleed Air wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:18 am Maybe not.
But there must be some restriction on having 2 pilots up front with zero time on type.
The jurisdiction I fly in requires 1 of the two up front to have 100hrs on type.
So priority is to get Capt's to 100hrs after entry into service of a new type so they can fly with new FO's, but they would still need to fly with someone with 100hrs on type until they themselves get that requirement.
This usually necessitates bring in some outside help until sufficient Capt's gain the required experience.
As for prior experience, there is no regulatory requirement. Just licensing. Having said that, there should be a common sense implementation. That is entirely a local matter.
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https://simpleflying.com/embraer-turbop ... iteration/
Maybe they decided on the E195 E2 so they could get a deal on the new turboprop.
Maybe they decided on the E195 E2 so they could get a deal on the new turboprop.
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I doubt it. That aircraft hasn't left the drawing board yet.MortyBubba wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 10:23 am https://simpleflying.com/embraer-turbop ... iteration/
Maybe they decided on the E195 E2 so they could get a deal on the new turboprop.
Re: Porter receiving E195-E2?
Porter Airlines Finalizes Sale – Leasebacks For 19 Embraer E195-E2s
https://simpleflying.com/porter-finaliz ... leaseback/
https://simpleflying.com/porter-finaliz ... leaseback/
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Re: Porter receiving E195-E2?
Any updates on the E2 expansion?
Haven’t heard much and apparently the WAWCONs have yet to be released.
Haven’t heard much and apparently the WAWCONs have yet to be released.
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Re: Porter receiving E195-E2?
Signing bonus for DEC's. Training to start this summer in Paris. First year pay for the left seat around 120/hr. Awaiting further details on payscale/wawcon.
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I heard rumors that some Porter pilots were training in Europe for the Embraer.
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Until their own sim is set up in Toronto the Paris sim is the only e2 sim currently running is my understandingRoAF-Mig21 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:54 pm I heard rumors that some Porter pilots were training in Europe for the Embraer.
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Yup. That's it. A buddy of mine lives there (and works in the industry), so he told me.C-GGGQ wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:10 pmUntil their own sim is set up in Toronto the Paris sim is the only e2 sim currently running is my understandingRoAF-Mig21 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:54 pm I heard rumors that some Porter pilots were training in Europe for the Embraer.
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"Their own sim" is somewhat correct. From what I gather, it's going to be owned and maintained by a major pilot training center, but Porter will have a contract for 100% of it's use for the first several years.C-GGGQ wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:10 pmUntil their own sim is set up in Toronto the Paris sim is the only e2 sim currently running is my understandingRoAF-Mig21 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:54 pm I heard rumors that some Porter pilots were training in Europe for the Embraer.
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If Porter is looking for qualified and experienced E-jet training Captains, it will have to be a pretty healthy bonus. For qualified line Captains/DEC, $120k to start with a one time incentive payment might be enough to stimulate subscription, particularly for E175 Captains lower on the pay scale at Jazz.TrustinThrust wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:39 pm Signing bonus for DEC's. Training to start this summer in Paris. First year pay for the left seat around 120/hr. Awaiting further details on payscale/wawcon.
The new fleet type Chief Pilot is ex-SKV/Jazz. I am certain there will be overtures to some E175 training pilots at Jazz. These training pilots will be comfortably making $140-150k at Jazz. I wonder how much Porter is prepared to pay a type qualified ACP? They will need quite a few to spool up the program and get TC sign off.
What it may come down to is risk tolerance. Jazz is a guaranteed gig until 2035. And Porter? Who knows.
Several former SKV Flt ops managers seemed more than happy to move on from Jazz. Now time to see if it will be the same for the former SKV E175 training pilots and E175 line Captains. The younger ones probably have a move to AC in their long term plan. Will have to decide if that path will be quicker via Jazz or Porter/OTS. And the older ones - it might be about relative seniority and T4 and job security.
Time will tell.
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What ever happened to the C series Porter ordered? Just vanished.
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It was a ‘conditional’ order. Conditions were never met (CYTZ landing rights).
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They ended up selling those rights, correct?
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Depends on your definite of 'healthy', but I'm hearing 20K as the signing bonus. Whether that is enough to lure away current E175 ACPs and training Captains remains to be seen.rudder wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 8:28 amIf Porter is looking for qualified and experienced E-jet training Captains, it will have to be a pretty healthy bonus. For qualified line Captains/DEC, $120k to start with a one time incentive payment might be enough to stimulate subscription, particularly for E175 Captains lower on the pay scale at Jazz.TrustinThrust wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:39 pm Signing bonus for DEC's. Training to start this summer in Paris. First year pay for the left seat around 120/hr. Awaiting further details on payscale/wawcon.
The new fleet type Chief Pilot is ex-SKV/Jazz. I am certain there will be overtures to some E175 training pilots at Jazz. These training pilots will be comfortably making $140-150k at Jazz. I wonder how much Porter is prepared to pay a type qualified ACP? They will need quite a few to spool up the program and get TC sign off.
What it may come down to is risk tolerance. Jazz is a guaranteed gig until 2035. And Porter? Who knows.
Several former SKV Flt ops managers seemed more than happy to move on from Jazz. Now time to see if it will be the same for the former SKV E175 training pilots and E175 line Captains. The younger ones probably have a move to AC in their long term plan. Will have to decide if that path will be quicker via Jazz or Porter/OTS. And the older ones - it might be about relative seniority and T4 and job security.
Time will tell.
Re: Porter receiving E195-E2?
TrustinThrust wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 8:20 pm
Depends on your definite of 'healthy', but I'm hearing 20K as the signing bonus. Whether that is enough to lure away current E175 ACPs and training Captains remains to be seen.
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What a sad state of affairs.TrustinThrust wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 8:20 pmDepends on your definite of 'healthy', but I'm hearing 20K as the signing bonus. Whether that is enough to lure away current E175 ACPs and training Captains remains to be seen.rudder wrote: ↑Wed Feb 09, 2022 8:28 amIf Porter is looking for qualified and experienced E-jet training Captains, it will have to be a pretty healthy bonus. For qualified line Captains/DEC, $120k to start with a one time incentive payment might be enough to stimulate subscription, particularly for E175 Captains lower on the pay scale at Jazz.TrustinThrust wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:39 pm Signing bonus for DEC's. Training to start this summer in Paris. First year pay for the left seat around 120/hr. Awaiting further details on payscale/wawcon.
The new fleet type Chief Pilot is ex-SKV/Jazz. I am certain there will be overtures to some E175 training pilots at Jazz. These training pilots will be comfortably making $140-150k at Jazz. I wonder how much Porter is prepared to pay a type qualified ACP? They will need quite a few to spool up the program and get TC sign off.
What it may come down to is risk tolerance. Jazz is a guaranteed gig until 2035. And Porter? Who knows.
Several former SKV Flt ops managers seemed more than happy to move on from Jazz. Now time to see if it will be the same for the former SKV E175 training pilots and E175 line Captains. The younger ones probably have a move to AC in their long term plan. Will have to decide if that path will be quicker via Jazz or Porter/OTS. And the older ones - it might be about relative seniority and T4 and job security.
Time will tell.
Recently saw a job post for a US based FO position on a light jet for 115K USD.
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Re: Porter receiving E195-E2?
Pay Scales for the E2 have been released to the pilot group at Porter. Management has asked to keep it private and confidential.
For those outside wondering, it's comparable to other (Flair, Sunwing, Swoop) Canadian 737 operators.
For those outside wondering, it's comparable to other (Flair, Sunwing, Swoop) Canadian 737 operators.
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I’m assuming you mean comparable starting rate because those 3 pay scales too out at very different numbers. Can you leak roughly the top end? Closer to swoop or SWG?