No pilot recalls until Spring 2023???

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scabbydoo
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Re: No pilot recalls until Spring 2023???

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ToolShed wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 7:30 am Back to the topic.

Sooo, is everyone recalled now at AC?
Not even close. Only 279 out of 600, and only 100 have training dates right now. Industry-wide, we're the first ones furloughed and last to be recalled.
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Fidget wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 3:43 pm So you’re thinking by standing up and saying enough is enough that COVID and the variants will magically go away?? Holy @#$!! Why didn’t we think of this sooner! So, the concept is not get a booster then get omicron or delta and that will show them who is the boss? I get it. We also do get to die. Win win. Fucking hell. :roll:
Are you scared of covid? Are you scared of variants? Good you have a choice… go home, close the door and lock yourself inside where you will be safe (: food and essentials can be delivered right to your door step and you can emerge once every 3-6 months for your booster. You can live 100% certain you are isolated from most of the world, because you feel as if the risk is to high. Whats that? You have a job to get to? Guess what we have jobs we want to get back to to but can’t because people like you are freaking out. You want to see family? Too bad, you’re afraid of the world outside of your 4 walls, so you should stay home and stay safe, Never-mind grandma who just had a heart attack, she can die alone with no-one by her side. It’s not other peoples responsibility to put their life on hold because you are afraid of covid and the variants. It’s not our burden to bear, experiencing a family member dying alone in the hospital because we are refused entry. 2 fucking years… please enlighten me as to the progress that has been made to improve our health care system in order to help our people get through this. News flash… zero, nothing, nada. The government does not give a @#$! about you, your doctor doesn’t give a @#$! about you, I don’t give a @#$! about you, pfizer/moderna/the others doesn’t give a @#$! about you. Get your head out of your ass trying to justify this tyranny to keep people safe. You want to be safe? You’ve had 2 years to make a plan and find a way to be safe. Myself, and what seems to be most of this country is willing to live with the risks that are a part of daily life, Covid is just a new thing thats is on that list. Stop listening to the hysteria and start questioning the media, no matter how uncomfortable it makes you feel. Check this out: https://www.uhn.ca/covid19# scroll down for real time covid hospitalization updates. This encompasses 5 major health institutions in Toronto. As of December 16th: 6 total covid cases, 3 in ICU. Can’t make this shit up, this is publicly available information.
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“Oh how overwhelmed the system must be”. The only overwhelming thing is the gross mishandling of this crisis by a government that gives zero shits about the long term well being of it’s people.

“Do as we say and don’t ever dare question” - should be the new slogan for this country.
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6 and 3 in ICU!!!?? Thank you for the link...

Canadians are screwed if they let their goverment handle them in the forseable future like they did for the past 20 months. This is not about virus anymore people, turn of the fear porn tv.
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I am ready to hit the streets should any new restrictions come thru. Sick and tired. Fed up and exhausted of the BS. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. I have been compliant so far. I don't want boosters every 3 months nor do I want ANY restrictions. FIX THE FUCKING HEALTHCARE SYSTEM.
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So, back to recalls. When will the results of the last bid be available?
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Second round of recalls came out tonight. Around 180 deferrals as 179 spots dropped down to pilots in the 360s.
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Is there not a rush to get back to the NHL???
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Not really, no. Many of those that bypassed are holding out for an RP spot. There's also quite a few that have bonds at other companies.
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bob99 wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 4:46 pm Not really, no. Many of those that bypassed are holding out for an RP spot. There's also quite a few that have bonds at other companies.
Yes makes sense, I was wondering that today!
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ikarus wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 11:03 pm 6 and 3 in ICU!!!?? Thank you for the link...

Canadians are screwed if they let their goverment handle them in the forseable future like they did for the past 20 months. This is not about virus anymore people, turn of the fear porn tv.
UHN is not the entire health network.

You can see that in Ontario, there are 238 people in ICU testing positive for COVID. Of those 238, less than 37% are fully vaccinated.
https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data

Get vaccinated. Reduce your contact during the waves. Tell your government to stop enacting stupid restrictions that aren't reducing the spread of COVID.
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Any chance of new hire classes this year?
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Malfunction wrote: Tue Jan 18, 2022 9:05 am Any chance of new hire classes this year?
Very good probability of one later this year.

Timeline to bring all recalls back by summer 2022 is still being pursued.
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Bidding opened yesterday for the third round of recalls. 138 spots over 8 weeks in March and April. There was an extra 44 recalled in the second round, so this leaves just under 140 to go. All types available this round except 320 and 67.
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bob99 wrote: Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:54 pm Bidding opened yesterday for the third round of recalls. 138 spots over 8 weeks in March and April. There was an extra 44 recalled in the second round, so this leaves just under 140 to go. All types available this round except 320 and 67.
How many of those 140 have deferred their recall? Hearing some early rumblings about a PIT course in May or June.
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TrustinThrust wrote: Sun Jan 30, 2022 2:46 pm How many of those 140 have deferred their recall? Hearing some early rumblings about a PIT course in May or June.
We won't know until after the results are released in mid-February. That said, I highly doubt there'll be a PIT as a result of any bypassing. If everyone decides to defer, the company will likely force people back in reverse seniority until everyone is back (unless they have an LOA). Only then will hiring restart. As rudder indicated in the Jazz thread, hiring commencing in the fall seems likely.
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The rate of recalls is limited by training capability. Once all the laid off pilots have been offered positions, the pilots who were offered employment but had their PIT class cancelled will be offered positions. The crystal ball is cloudy but that will probably be all the hiring that can be accomplished in 2022. After that it will depend on how the travel economy shapes up.
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The last bid released in November which usually has a 12 month outlook had 118 new hires positions included. So call it 118 new hires before say the end of 2022, which would have given a 13 month outlook to last cmsc bid and not 12. 118 nee hires could be worth 4-5 courses....
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JoeyBarton wrote: Mon Jan 31, 2022 5:44 am The last bid released in November which usually has a 12 month outlook had 118 new hires positions included. So call it 118 new hires before say the end of 2022, which would have given a 13 month outlook to last cmsc bid and not 12. 118 nee hires could be worth 4-5 courses....
Where are you getting that from? Bid 21-03 didn’t even show all of the furloughed pilots back on property yet, never mind new hires.
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102 recalls were made round #1. These names were already on 21-03. CRB mentionned 616 vacancies on top of that.
600 pilots furloughed, 102 recalled prior to 21-03. Leaving 498 furloughed as of Nov 2021.
616-498= 118 new hires.
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To compliment the above posts

Will try to add a few more slots if possible above and beyond the 138 recalls sent out this round (fingers crossed)

Courses running from mid March to early May this round.

Various positions across 777, 787, 330, 737, 319 and 220 available. All YYZ & YUL based.


No new hire PIT course planned for May or June that I know off.


Edit: those that were offered PIT courses pre-pandemic in 2020 should also be getting some communication from the company.
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