Are the Vaxxed Grounded?

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[DHC-1 Jockey]

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These are the vaccines approved by Health Canada.
https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/ ... cines.html

Since these vaccines are approved by Health Canada, they are therefore not part of a "medical trial," therefore pilots who have taken the vaccine aren't grounded.

[CpnCrunch]

Nice try!

[lownslow]

This whole fkn covid board is insane. What a ride to go through the threads here.

[CpnCrunch]

This whole fkn covid board is insane. What a ride to go through the threads here.

It's par for the course for internet forums. It's just an eye-opener how many of these batshit crazy posts are from Air Canada captains.

[montado]

This whole fkn covid board is insane. What a ride to go through the threads here.

It's par for the course for internet forums. It's just an eye-opener how many of these batshit crazy posts are from Air Canada captains.

Yeah speaking of the crazy shit people post, look at the crap you write

Just more lame-ass comments as usual....

Covid has 10x the number of deaths as the flu, and the vaccine gives about 98% protection against covid delta variant in real-life data (from today's update from Israel).

If you look at the cdc guidance, it puts the flu at a death rate of 0.15, so by your math that would be a 1.5 percent death rate for covid, when the cdc says covid is 0.5 average.

Or did you mean deaths and not death rate? 8k plus flu deaths per year x10, 80k + covid deaths, yet Canada is at what 26k deaths after 16 months of this going around?

Your math is shit. Maybe if you didn’t post shit math and be disingenuous purposely you wouldn’t have to by part of the group of insane posters. Do you stand by your stats that covid is 10x worse?

I wonder with a vaccine available is covid still 10x worse than the flu? Because this is a recent post of yours. How deadly would influenza be with no vaccine? Why not compare apples to apples. You said yourself the vaccine is 98 percent effective. Funny enough in one small post you contradict yourself and talk about massively over estimated deaths and also at the same time speak of how massive the efficacy is of a vaccine. Completely dumb and illogical, but what do I know, I’m not an expert which I’m sure you will remind me in your rebuttal.

Now that I think about it, you just sound like someone who is trying to scare someone into getting a vaccine. Your post was so disingenuous and false, that is the only conclusion I can make. Or maybe this is your social circles catch phrases. Maybe the lies you posted are the reasons you got the vax. Regardless, the shit you post is just as crazy as anyone else.

Anyways curious to think what your thoughts are, with a vaccine for covid, and for the flu, how do they compare? Then ask yourself based on that, why the @#$! are we still under restrictions. Do vaccines work? if a vaccine is 98 percent effective for a virus that is not 10x but actually about 3x the death rate of the flu, what more do you need? The flu is now 15x more risk to someone who has the covid vaccine and no flu vaccine. How do you like that math? We are literally restricted because of a virus that is 1/15th the risk of the flu once fully vaccinated… but logic has no place for CpnCrunch, he is about to tell you the vaccines are 98 percent effective but it’s not good enough because he wants to jab your kids for some reason. Nothing will be good enough for him to move on.

[TG]

montano, if you want to compare the flu with Covid go have a look in India and their "excess" death during the pandemic (comparing to other years)
And to the author of this topic asking if Covid vaccinated people are grounded according to TC....
Really!? You really had to ask this question? Makes me wonder about your RAC interpretation amongst other things.


Batshit crazy posts yes.

[montado]

montano, if you want to compare the flu with Covid go have a look in India and their "excess" death during the pandemic (comparing to other years)
And to the author of this topic asking if Covid vaccinated people are grounded according to TC....
Really!? You really had to ask this question? Makes me wonder about your RAC interpretation amongst other things.


Batshit crazy posts yes.

Well I just did a comparison of covid with the flu based on CDCs estimates. So was my post disingenuous? Did I lie?

What about excess deaths in India. Go ahead and spill the data for me.

Let me tell you something right off the bat where I know you are going down a stupid rabbit hole. India has a population of 1.38 billion and under 500k deaths.

If you wanted me to look at data that mattered you would be telling me to look at the USA. 337 million population and over
500k deaths. By all metrics the USA did terribly in comparison, so what the heck are you telling me to look at India for?

Let me guess some click bait garbage article twisted some stats to make this seem like ground zero of covid? Why is it that Americans have aboit 4x the deaths per population? This is always how I know I'm about to argue with people who don't know what they are talking about. They just shout out CNN headlines. So go ahead and share India's excess deaths if this is your argument about covid not being like the flu.

I already said covid is about 3x as bad as the flu according to the CDC. What's wrong with that comparison?

Batshit crazy posts yes.

[CpnCrunch]

Your math is shit. Maybe if you didn’t post shit math and be disingenuous purposely you wouldn’t have to by part of the group of insane posters. Do you stand by your stats that covid is 10x worse?

No my math isn't "SHIT". I was referring to the USA: 50k flu deaths per year on average, and 500k COVID deaths in the past year, and that is with lots of social distancing, masks, etc. 500/500=10 last I checked. Canada has about 7k flu deaths per year and about 20k covid deaths per year. That's not 10x but still a lot more deaths than flu even with social distancing. So no, covid isn't just the same as the flu.

You're also an Air Canada captain, are you not?

[montado]

Your math is shit. Maybe if you didn’t post shit math and be disingenuous purposely you wouldn’t have to by part of the group of insane posters. Do you stand by your stats that covid is 10x worse?

No my math isn't "SHIT". I was referring to the USA: 50k flu deaths per year on average, and 500k COVID deaths in the past year, and that is with lots of social distancing, masks, etc. 500/500=10 last I checked. Canada has about 7k flu deaths per year and about 20k covid deaths per year. That's not 10x but still a lot more deaths than flu even with social distancing. So no, covid isn't just the same as the flu.

You're also an Air Canada captain, are you not?

Okay so what is an objective and fair way to look at this? Your math works for America, but is it fair to say covid is 10x worse than the flu based off your American numbers when covid was only about 3x worse than the flu in Canada? IFR data puts the flu at 0.15 vs covid at about 0.5, in the cdc data, is this the better way to compare? I don’t think Americans feel covid is 10x worse. They seem to be happy going back to normal. Looks like covid is evolving to be just like the flu, as this is how the experts are talking about it now.

Going forward with vaccines, just like influenza has vaccines, do you think it’s possible that covid and the flu with look very similar? Seems like you are all for the restrictions that apparently saved us, but did those restrictions have consequences?

My opinion covid is not 10x as bad as the flu. Covid restrictions have been outrageous. The more hindsight we have the more mistakes we can all see along the way. Experts have done a shit job and steer the ship with fear.

And I can’t confirm or deny my job

[CpnCrunch]

Okay so what is an objective and fair way to look at this? Your math works for America, but is it fair to say covid is 10x worse than the flu based of your American numbers when covid was only about 3x worse than the flu in Canada? IFR data puts the flu at 0.15 vs covid at about 0.5, in the cdc data, is this the better way to compare? I don’t think Americans feel covid is 10x worse. They seem to be happy going back to normal.

Going forward with vaccines, just like influenza has vaccines, do you think it’s possible that covid and the flu with look very similar? Seems like you are all for the restrictions that apparently saved us, but did those restrictions have consequences?

My opinion covid is not 10x as bad as the flu. Covid restrictions have been outrageous. The more hindsight we have the more mistakes we can all see along the way. Experts have done a shit job.

And I can’t confirm or deny my job

I don't care if it's 3x or 10x worse. It's clearly more than 3x worse as there have been 3x the deaths even though we have infinitely more social distancing.

but logic has no place for CpnCrunch, he is about to tell you the vaccines are 98 percent effective but it’s not good enough because he wants to jab your kids for some reason

Well now I know you're batshit crazy for sure, because I never said anything like that. I think you must be confusing me with photofly here.

What's your point?

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

Children, please.

The FDA, much like the FAA, has no authority in Canada and is useless to quote for Canadian aviation.

[TG]

montano, if you want to compare the flu with Covid go have a look in India and their "excess" death during the pandemic (comparing to other years)
And to the author of this topic asking if Covid vaccinated people are grounded according to TC....
Really!? You really had to ask this question? Makes me wonder about your RAC interpretation amongst other things.


Batshit crazy posts yes.

Well I just did a comparison of covid with the flu based on CDCs estimates. So was my post disingenuous? Did I lie?

What about excess deaths in India. Go ahead and spill the data for me.

Let me tell you something right off the bat where I know you are going down a stupid rabbit hole. India has a population of 1.38 billion and under 500k deaths.

If you wanted me to look at data that mattered you would be telling me to look at the USA. 337 million population and over
500k deaths. By all metrics the USA did terribly in comparison, so what the heck are you telling me to look at India for?

Let me guess some click bait garbage article twisted some stats to make this seem like ground zero of covid? Why is it that Americans have aboit 4x the deaths per population? This is always how I know I'm about to argue with people who don't know what they are talking about. They just shout out CNN headlines. So go ahead and share India's excess deaths if this is your argument about covid not being like the flu.

I already said covid is about 3x as bad as the flu according to the CDC. What's wrong with that comparison?

Batshit crazy posts yes.

Too lazy to Google "India excess death Covid" !? I just wanted you to find it by yourself....
Ok then it's about 4 millions, a far cry from the official 400k number.
Sorry though, I cannot find any estimate about flu death numbers in India in the same period of time. It's probably insignificant anyway

And I'm talking about places like India or countries in Africa trying to make you realize how lucky you are to be living in a first World country and how they (First World countries) seems to manage relatively well this pandemic after all. "Relatively well" as not perfect but not as bad as some of you think.



In meanwhile I'm obviously failing at helping You out of Your own stupid rabbit hole/Batshit crazy post so I will leave it as that

[montado]

Ok great… thanks for that.

So now let’s compare to America. One of the most wealthy countries in the world with robust healthcare.

Assuming we take America’s covid deaths as face value from the count, and then assume all of India excess deaths are covid deaths (4 millions)

We now result at covid has 1.6x the number of covid deaths as Americans per population.

Would that really surprise you that a country riddled with poverty in many areas? Is this surprising? Or did you go into this pandemic thinking America will be the worst out of everyone and India has some robust healthcare in those back woods villages. I mean, thanks for providing the information, but India having 1.6x the death rate of America doesn’t really surprise anyone does it? The media spin is to use large numbers! 4 million sounds like a load of deaths! But remember the population is over a billion.

We also know in Canada not all the excess deaths were covid deaths… so saying all the deaths are covid deaths could possibly be an overstatement…. But because I don’t know, I’ll give you all of them… If the media headline was “India had 1.6x the death rate compared to America” would you click? Would you even be surprised? Does anyone with a rational thought build fear with excess deaths from a country with as much poverty?

And now to your actual point. Hell yeah I’m thankful for where I live. I love Canada. Just because I’m in here talking about all the flaws doesn’t mean I don’t understand the good. I happen to come from a country similar to India, full of poverty. I am very fortunate. People tend to talk about the negative, as that’s human nature. But I also standby my statement that I do think American is number one. Only because my values seem to be more inline with them. Americans are patriotic, I don’t feel any pride in being Canadian like I used to. And I 100 percent know America comes with a pound of horse shit and is not perfect. I just want more autonomy, more freedoms. I really just don’t trust that Canada will be the same place in 20 years with the direction we are heading. But this is just my values and everyone else could feel completely different. I know a few Canadian actively looking for property south who feel the same. I don’t have the Vishnu’s to leave .

I think what others here might think I should try is called “radical acceptance”.

Radical acceptance is when you stop fighting reality, stop responding with impulsive or destructive behaviors when things aren't going the way you want them to, and let go of bitterness that may be keeping you trapped in a cycle of suffering.

It’s the “just follow the sops” mentality that was often said here a year ago. But I don’t like to mix work life with the rest of my life. Radical acceptance is probably how dictators come into power. No thanks.

[AirFrame]

This whole fkn covid board is insane. What a ride to go through the threads here.

...and the thread does nothing to dispel this comment in the following posts.

[Blowin' In The Wind]

This whole fkn covid board is insane. What a ride to go through the threads here.

...and the thread does nothing to dispel this comment in the following posts.

Yup.

[Panama Jack]

The answer: NO.

Transport Canada has become aware of misinformation circulating in relation to COVID-19 vaccines and aviation Medical Certificate holders.

Transport Canada would like to state clearly that COVID-19 vaccines that have been approved by Health Canada (Moderna, Pfizer, AstraZeneca, and Janssen (Johnson and Johnson)), are considered compatible with Transport Canada aviation Medical Certification.

Receiving a Health Canada approved COVID-19 vaccination will not impact aviators’ eligibility for Medical Certification.

Furthermore, Transport Canada Civil Aviation Medicine does not impose post-vaccination grounding periods for aviators who wish to receive a Health Canada approved vaccine.

Webpage:

English Version: https://tc.canada.ca/en/aviation/medica ... te-holders

[ReserveTank]

The answer: NO.

Transport Canada has become aware of misinformation circulating in relation to COVID-19 vaccines and aviation Medical Certificate holders.

Transport Canada would like to state clearly that COVID-19 vaccines that have been approved by Health Canada (Moderna, Pfizer, AstraZeneca, and Janssen (Johnson and Johnson)), are considered compatible with Transport Canada aviation Medical Certification.

Receiving a Health Canada approved COVID-19 vaccination will not impact aviators’ eligibility for Medical Certification.

Furthermore, Transport Canada Civil Aviation Medicine does not impose post-vaccination grounding periods for aviators who wish to receive a Health Canada approved vaccine.

Webpage:

English Version: https://tc.canada.ca/en/aviation/medica ... te-holders

The short answer is no, and I agree. However, some of the possible side effects could give you a disqualifying medical condition. Additionally, they're trying to emphasize short term side effects such as pain at the injection site. That's nearly every injection. It's disingenuous because there is no proper acknowledgement of potential long term side-effects.

[TG]

The answer: NO.

Transport Canada has become aware of misinformation circulating in relation to COVID-19 vaccines and aviation Medical Certificate holders.

Transport Canada would like to state clearly that COVID-19 vaccines that have been approved by Health Canada (Moderna, Pfizer, AstraZeneca, and Janssen (Johnson and Johnson)), are considered compatible with Transport Canada aviation Medical Certification.

Receiving a Health Canada approved COVID-19 vaccination will not impact aviators’ eligibility for Medical Certification.

Furthermore, Transport Canada Civil Aviation Medicine does not impose post-vaccination grounding periods for aviators who wish to receive a Health Canada approved vaccine.

Webpage:

English Version: https://tc.canada.ca/en/aviation/medica ... te-holders

The short answer is no, and I agree. However, some of the possible side effects could give you a disqualifying medical condition. Additionally, they're trying to emphasize short term side effects such as pain at the injection site. That's nearly every injection. It's disingenuous because there is no proper acknowledgement of potential long term side-effects.

FFS….Basically another antivax post.

Try the long term Covid effect instead to see if it won’t affect your medical!

[CL-Skadoo!]

Easy TG, they have nowhere else to spew this crap. Best they get it out here.

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

I stubbed my toe yesterday and today it still hurts.

Is my medical still valid?

[montado]

I stubbed my toe yesterday and today it still hurts.

Is my medical still valid?

Up to you. You can tell your doctor and let them know you don’t feel fit to fly, or you could continue to fly if you feel fit to fly. I don’t think a stubbed toe would prevent most people from flying but I guess it depends how bad it is.

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

Up to you. You can tell your doctor and let them know you don’t feel fit to fly, or you could continue to fly if you feel fit to fly. I don’t think a stubbed toe would prevent most people from flying but I guess it depends how bad it is.

It's crazy that my joke was less stupid than the premise of this thread.

I hope that you and your family are safe.

[montado]

You mean to tell me your toe is okay? Well shit you fooled me. Here I was really concerned for you. I thought it must be broken if you aren’t able to fly with it. You need to put a “/s” at the end of what you say so guy like me can smell the sarcasm.

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

You mean to tell me your toe is okay? Well shit you fooled me. Here I was really concerned for you. I thought it must be broken if you aren’t able to fly with it. You need to put a “/s” at the end of what you say so guy like me can smell the sarcasm.

@#$!, you know how many times I've stubbed my toe since I wrote that reply initially?