Lack of leadership at ACPA

[one8tee]

Here is one of our MEC members defending doing draft (OT) while we have 600 pilots laid off.

YVR MEC members are doing draft. NC chair is doing draft. Scope chair is doing draft.

Shame on you. We need new leadership. We need change.

[jlfd26]

Why only publish the part that fits your narrative. Daniel only exposed the facts. He said he understands why people do it but wanted to clarify that not taking VO would not get people back on property any faster

BTW: before screenshotting and posting stuff like that from a private group you should ask the author

Edit: I am one of those who got called and refused to take VO

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

Furloughed pilot here.

If the company offers you a pairing on your day off and you need the money or want to fly, take it.

Pilot staffing levels are (at a normal airline) based on expected future demand, not on day to day operational changes. Pilots are being recalled and I anticipate that the majority of furloughed pilots who want to return to flying will be offered recall by the end of summer 2022. Does it suck being furloughed? Absolutely! That doesn't mean that those who are active should kick themselves just because they need to survive too.

With that said, if the OT is being offered as a result of inadequate staffing levels, then it would be appropriate to expect pilots to stick it to the company.

[fish4life]

If the company is calling for overtime it’s because they don’t have proper reserve coverage. If you take OT you are showing them they can get by with less res pilots reducing in less recalls

[altiplano]

If the company is calling for overtime it’s because they don’t have proper reserve coverage. If you take OT you are showing them they can get by with less res pilots reducing in less recalls

This.

The company has always been behind on hiring/training. Why should we think it's any different now?

They collect the data on how far behind they can get by relying on the hogs at the trough.

Delayed bid. Fewer reinstatement / upgrades. Later recalls. Lower hour blocks for most. Premiums for few.

People doing VO/draft are enabling their continuation of this behaviour particularly against the interests of our furloughed colleagues, but really against all of our interests.

[grimreaper70]

The Formula

In a stunning turn of events, a MEC member has demonstrated the now formalized “Do as I say, Not as I Do” social media policy. The YUL chair teamed up with Mark Zuckerberg himself and unveiled his cracking of the top secret code of the “The Formula”. While the science community might have Einstein who developed the Theory of Relativity with the formula E=mc2, ACPA has their own Einstein with the discovery that overtime has zero effect on crew planning.


It was a rather impressive array of mathematics that literally defies not only logic but also disregards well – mathematics while at the same time completely contradicting CUPE’s recently resolved grievance that recalled back 350 furloughs. In ACPAland, furloughs are more accurately called “sacrificial lambs” or just “the poor suckers who should have stayed at Jazz a bit longer” or “at least the military will take me back” or for the believers “2023 isn’t that bad – ACPA is doing their best”


But – back to this “formula”:
If Total amount of flying required (t) is subtracted by the number of hours limited by a contract (h) is greater than 0 – then the result is pilot (p) is required to do overtime. But if p=0 then flight is cancelled (c).

So, with any kind of a collective pilot group: p = c

One would assume that with too many (c)s there will be a requirement for more (p)s

But no, ACPA’s Einstein himself explained why cancelled flights have no impact to the “formula” which coincidently requires the same blind faith in per diems calculations & equipment bid results. Trusting both of these are recommended about as much as the drinking water from the tanks after a stop in Delhi. There is a good chance your rear end will be as leaky as the reason why WestJet pilots seem to be able to fly cargo at full rates while ACPA pilots do not.

It is particularly peculiar how pilot shortages leading to cancelled flights are of no concern but an entire cargo enterprise was completely dependent on a 10% pay cut from the pilots. I mean the math here checks out about as much as an ACPA pension calculator saying a pilot will one day make over $600k/year. Even the biggest fan must have a tougher time choking that down than the bread in a bag. Guaranteed the formula for making that bread includes some sugar to at least attempt to sweeten it up that brick - quite different than the bitter taste left when our very own leaders are chowing down on overtime.

[RVR6000]

‘Contrary to popular beliefs, pilots are not at the center of these plans’

Where was this line when negotiating 10% off cargo pay. Hypocrites

[Dash.Trash]

The Formula

In a stunning turn of events, a MEC member has demonstrated the now formalized “Do as I say, Not as I Do” social media policy. The YUL chair teamed up with Mark Zuckerberg himself and unveiled his cracking of the top secret code of the “The Formula”. While the science community might have Einstein who developed the Theory of Relativity with the formula E=mc2, ACPA has their own Einstein with the discovery that overtime has zero effect on crew planning.


It was a rather impressive array of mathematics that literally defies not only logic but also disregards well – mathematics while at the same time completely contradicting CUPE’s recently resolved grievance that recalled back 350 furloughs. In ACPAland, furloughs are more accurately called “sacrificial lambs” or just “the poor suckers who should have stayed at Jazz a bit longer” or “at least the military will take me back” or for the believers “2023 isn’t that bad – ACPA is doing their best”


But – back to this “formula”:
If Total amount of flying required (t) is subtracted by the number of hours limited by a contract (h) is greater than 0 – then the result is pilot (p) is required to do overtime. But if p=0 then flight is cancelled (c).

So, with any kind of a collective pilot group: p = c

One would assume that with too many (c)s there will be a requirement for more (p)s

But no, ACPA’s Einstein himself explained why cancelled flights have no impact to the “formula” which coincidently requires the same blind faith in per diems calculations & equipment bid results. Trusting both of these are recommended about as much as the drinking water from the tanks after a stop in Delhi. There is a good chance your rear end will be as leaky as the reason why WestJet pilots seem to be able to fly cargo at full rates while ACPA pilots do not.

It is particularly peculiar how pilot shortages leading to cancelled flights are of no concern but an entire cargo enterprise was completely dependent on a 10% pay cut from the pilots. I mean the math here checks out about as much as an ACPA pension calculator saying a pilot will one day make over $600k/year. Even the biggest fan must have a tougher time choking that down than the bread in a bag. Guaranteed the formula for making that bread includes some sugar to at least attempt to sweeten it up that brick - quite different than the bitter taste left when our very own leaders are chowing down on overtime.

Your posts need to be compiled into a book. Please keep them coming.

[teacher]

‘Contrary to popular beliefs, pilots are not at the center of these plans’

Where was this line when negotiating 10% off cargo pay. Hypocrites

Exactly!

[BTD]

I have repeatedly turned down flying that I otherwise would do, since we have guys on layoff. I don’t begrudge any line pilot though for taking extra draft.

But when members of the union leadership step up to the trough that stinks something different. Act like leaders.

I’m guessing that those types also cower in the flight deck after a bad flight and let the service director eat all the negative emotions. Screw that. That is precisely the time you ask the service director to step aside, don your hat and eat the shit that is coming your way. As the captain and leader that is when you step up.

Maybe some of these individuals should read “Extreme Ownership”. As the leader, even if it’s not your fault, it’s your fault.

You don’t have to tell anyone not to take overtime, but don’t do it yourself.

[Fidget]

If you guys think you will be better leaders, why not run for office?? We need this regime out.

[one8tee]

Unfortunately it seems that was assumed to be a lack of leadership at ACPA may be more severe than that. There are rumblings that the current MEC chair may be severe mental health issues and has been asked by several MEC members to step down and allow for a temporary chair to take his place. When was the last time he flew?

Under his watch we have given away 10% for cargo flying, allowed them to temporarily pause LOU-74 and revert to mainline WACON all while doing nothing to protect our 600 laid off pilots.

The company continues to buyback vacation in direct violation of the CA, we hear nothing from ACPA.

The company sends threatening memos when pilots book of sick, we hear nothing of ACPA.

We have senior ACPA folks actively taking VO. Does the scope chair, as a 777 CA not get paid enough?

Embarrassing..

[RippleRock]

Unfortunately it seems that was assumed to be a lack of leadership at ACPA may be more severe than that. There are rumblings that the current MEC chair may be severe mental health issues and has been asked by several MEC members to step down and allow for a temporary chair to take his place. When was the last time he flew?

Under his watch we have given away 10% for cargo flying, allowed them to temporarily pause LOU-74 and revert to mainline WACON all while doing nothing to protect our 600 laid off pilots.

The company continues to buyback vacation in direct violation of the CA, we hear nothing from ACPA.

The company sends threatening memos when pilots book of sick, we hear nothing of ACPA.

We have senior ACPA folks actively taking VO. Does the scope chair, as a 777 CA not get paid enough?

Embarrassing..

He's a nut job "army of one". He seems intent on disregarding the contract at every turn, and dumping anyone that opposes him. He is the worst thing to come along since "leader" B. White and the "TA1-27 gang".

Not sure what his play is.

The problem is, we GAVE him the keys to the f'ing bus. We're just along for the ride, and most of the Membership is content to "stare at their toes" while he drives us off a "contract-less cliff".

Good work everyone. Keep voting YES to f'ing --EVERYTHING--.

[scabbydoo]

The latest email from ACPA to a Reroute volunteer shows how unbelievably out to lunch these fucking clowns are.

With regards to CEWS, the company has given their position and your association has advocated on your behalf, but the company has been steadfast on their approach to the program.

Likely that "advocating" went something like this:
ACPA Negots: "Can our furloughed members have CEWS like literally every other company in the country?"
Company: "Nope".
ACPA Negots: "k cool".

I will reach out and see if Agilec can help with a job search, but beyond that, there are numerous pilots in our industry in the same position. Please understand there is no sensitive way to say this, but given the above point, it might be prudent to seek employment in different industries.

There are literally ZERO other pilots in our industry who are in our same position: The only ones not afforded CEWS and as a result, the only group to run out of EI, the first to be laid off, the bleakest recall outlook, and least likely to be hired by any other operator.

[lowandoverit]

Shame on any pilot that takes overtime while pilots are still on layoff, there is no acceptable justification for doing so. Anyone can write an eloquent justification for their actions, it is easily done for anything. Almost no one in history did anything believing they were in the wrong.

Cancelled flights really do matter and are never in the rear view mirror. They represent a huge cost and are extremely harmful to an airlines reputation. The more articles that end up in the media about delays and cancelled flights the faster everyone gets recalled. Plan and simple.

[pilotbzh]

Actually draft and overtime cost will drive the company to recall just as cancellation, what piss me off is pilot extending they duty day and not having crew schedule calling and extra pilot to be legal.... You know who you are

[altiplano]

Actually draft and overtime cost will drive the company to recall just as cancellation, what piss me off is pilot extending they duty day and not having crew schedule calling and extra pilot to be legal.... You know who you are

Company like VO because it's cheaper than another pilot.

Think about it: We used to be not able to do VO under our contract and the COMPANY pushed for it.

Running lean with few dollars extra to a few pilots here and there is cheaper than hiring/training/benefits/pension/insurance of additional staff.

A few dollars VO to a few pilots is cheaper than cancellations/hotels/penalties/rebooking.

Expensive cancellations and bad press are what will drive the company to recall, not VO and more concessions from ACPA.

[Marabrabant]

Hi! Changes are necessary for any business sphere, and first of all, the company's leaders should think about it. The dismissal of ordinary employees in large numbers has never led the company to something good

[Fanblade]

Hi! Changes are necessary for any business sphere, and first of all, the company's leaders should think about it. The dismissal of ordinary employees in large numbers has never led the company to something good

Lol,

Your first post and you used: business sphere, company leaders, employees and company while describing ACPA’s change in unionized leadership.

See the problem?

ACPA needs to stay in its lane. ACPA is not management. ACPA leaders are not company leaders. ACPA leaders are not responsible for corporate strategy.

ACPA’s sole job is unionized representation of 4000 pilots. ACPA’s sole job is contractual gains.

ACPA is way out of its lane when the company comes first and those they represent come second. There is a term for this. It’s called a yellow union. Look it up.

If you hear a union rep sounding like management. Don’t vote for them. Get rid of them.

[elonmusk]

If you hear a union rep sounding like management. Don’t vote for them. Get rid of them.

Currently working on it in Vancouver.