Floatplane Crash Thread
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Re: Floatplane Crash Thread
If I had to guess I’d say I probably raise the right more often than the left, but not exclusively.
Re: Floatplane Crash Thread
Intertesting situation that almost had a completely successful outcome.......
C-ITMP, a privately registered Quad City Ultralight Aircraft Corporation (Quad City) Challenger II
advanced ultralight aircraft equipped with amphibious floats, was on a local flight along the
southwest coast of Lake Ontario, with only the owner/pilot on board. While in cruise flight, the
engine suddenly lost power. The pilot safely landed the aircraft parallel to the waves on Lake
Ontario, approximately 300 meters from shore. After landing, the pilot unsuccessfully attempted to
restart the engine and then sailed the aircraft to a beach on the shoreline. While beaching the
aircraft, the breaking surf damaged the elevator pushrods.
The owner has removed the Rotax engine and has arranged for an inspection to determine the
cause of the sudden engine failure.
C-ITMP, a privately registered Quad City Ultralight Aircraft Corporation (Quad City) Challenger II
advanced ultralight aircraft equipped with amphibious floats, was on a local flight along the
southwest coast of Lake Ontario, with only the owner/pilot on board. While in cruise flight, the
engine suddenly lost power. The pilot safely landed the aircraft parallel to the waves on Lake
Ontario, approximately 300 meters from shore. After landing, the pilot unsuccessfully attempted to
restart the engine and then sailed the aircraft to a beach on the shoreline. While beaching the
aircraft, the breaking surf damaged the elevator pushrods.
The owner has removed the Rotax engine and has arranged for an inspection to determine the
cause of the sudden engine failure.
Re: Floatplane Crash Thread
Just in case you thought this video was some sort of a joke.........
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2nSRHbaEH0
C-FLDS, a privately registered Piper J3C-65 on floats was conducting a local flight in the area of
Six Mile Lake (South) water aerodrome (CSM6), ON. After a local sightseeing flight, C-FLDS
returned to CMS6 for a landing. After circling the landing area and looking for any obstructions, C-
FLDS landed on the water, in a channel in the vicinity of CMS6. At the same time, a canoe carrying
2 persons and their camping gear were also paddling in the channel. After the aircraft touched
down on the water, the canoeists became aware that the aircraft was coming straight in their
direction. Both canoeists jumped out of the canoe and the canoe overturned just before the aircraft
step taxied over the canoe. The 2 canoeists were rescued by local boaters and were not injured.
The aircraft was not damaged.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2nSRHbaEH0
C-FLDS, a privately registered Piper J3C-65 on floats was conducting a local flight in the area of
Six Mile Lake (South) water aerodrome (CSM6), ON. After a local sightseeing flight, C-FLDS
returned to CMS6 for a landing. After circling the landing area and looking for any obstructions, C-
FLDS landed on the water, in a channel in the vicinity of CMS6. At the same time, a canoe carrying
2 persons and their camping gear were also paddling in the channel. After the aircraft touched
down on the water, the canoeists became aware that the aircraft was coming straight in their
direction. Both canoeists jumped out of the canoe and the canoe overturned just before the aircraft
step taxied over the canoe. The 2 canoeists were rescued by local boaters and were not injured.
The aircraft was not damaged.
Re: Floatplane Crash Thread
Via Google Translate:
C-GEXK, a Viking Air Limited DHC2 (Beaver) registered to Pavillon du Lac Berthelot
Inc. was conducting a local flight under visual flight rules in the Lac Berthelot, QC area with 1
pilot and 2 passengers on board. While landing on the lake, the pilot lost control
direction of the aircraft after having lowered the control surfaces of the floats. The plane hit the
shore of the lake and suffered significant damage. There were no injuries. The pilot reported that he
was possible that the back of one of the floats came into contact with the quay during the departure
preceding the accident.
C-GEXK, a Viking Air Limited DHC2 (Beaver) registered to Pavillon du Lac Berthelot
Inc. was conducting a local flight under visual flight rules in the Lac Berthelot, QC area with 1
pilot and 2 passengers on board. While landing on the lake, the pilot lost control
direction of the aircraft after having lowered the control surfaces of the floats. The plane hit the
shore of the lake and suffered significant damage. There were no injuries. The pilot reported that he
was possible that the back of one of the floats came into contact with the quay during the departure
preceding the accident.
Re: Floatplane Crash Thread
A better translation.
https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/279316
A float-equipped DHC-2 Beaver registered to Pavillon du Lac Berthelot Inc. was on a local visual flight rules flight in the Lac Berthelot, QC area with 1 pilot and 2 passengers on board. During the landing on the lake, the pilot lost directional control of the aircraft after touching down on the floats. The aircraft struck the shore of the lake and sustained substantial damage. There were no injuries. The pilot reported that it was possible that the rear of one of the floats came into contact with the dock during the departure prior to the accident.
https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/279316
A float-equipped DHC-2 Beaver registered to Pavillon du Lac Berthelot Inc. was on a local visual flight rules flight in the Lac Berthelot, QC area with 1 pilot and 2 passengers on board. During the landing on the lake, the pilot lost directional control of the aircraft after touching down on the floats. The aircraft struck the shore of the lake and sustained substantial damage. There were no injuries. The pilot reported that it was possible that the rear of one of the floats came into contact with the dock during the departure prior to the accident.
Re: Floatplane Crash Thread
C- IGJP a privately registered advance ultra-light, Chinook Plus 2, equipped with amphibious floats
was on a local VFR flight from Wawa Municipal Airport, ON (CYXZ) with one pilot onboard. While
in flight over Lake Wawa, the pilot noticed erratic indications with the airspeed and the engine
exhaust gas temperature (EGT) and subsequently decided to conducted a precautionary landing
on the lake. During the landing on the lake surface, the floats dug into the water and the aircraft
flipped over. The pilot, who was wearing a personal flotation device (PFD), egressed the aircraft
and was rescued by the police, who was notified by witnesses on the shore. While the aircraft was
floating inverted, the pilot noticed that the wheels were extended for ground landing. The aircraft
was hoisted out of the water by helicopter. After an initial inspection, only damage to the wing
fabric was found.
was on a local VFR flight from Wawa Municipal Airport, ON (CYXZ) with one pilot onboard. While
in flight over Lake Wawa, the pilot noticed erratic indications with the airspeed and the engine
exhaust gas temperature (EGT) and subsequently decided to conducted a precautionary landing
on the lake. During the landing on the lake surface, the floats dug into the water and the aircraft
flipped over. The pilot, who was wearing a personal flotation device (PFD), egressed the aircraft
and was rescued by the police, who was notified by witnesses on the shore. While the aircraft was
floating inverted, the pilot noticed that the wheels were extended for ground landing. The aircraft
was hoisted out of the water by helicopter. After an initial inspection, only damage to the wing
fabric was found.
Re: Floatplane Crash Thread
C- IGJP a privately registered advance ultra-light, Chinook Plus 2, equipped with amphibious floats
was on a local VFR flight from Wawa Municipal Airport, ON (CYXZ) with one pilot onboard. While
in flight over Lake Wawa, the pilot noticed erratic indications with the airspeed and the engine
exhaust gas temperature (EGT) and subsequently decided to conducted a precautionary landing
on the lake. During the landing on the lake surface, the floats dug into the water and the aircraft
flipped over. The pilot, who was wearing a personal flotation device (PFD), egressed the aircraft
and was rescued by the police, who was notified by witnesses on the shore. While the aircraft was
floating inverted, the pilot noticed that the wheels were extended for ground landing. The aircraft
was hoisted out of the water by helicopter. After an initial inspection, only damage to the wing
fabric was found.
was on a local VFR flight from Wawa Municipal Airport, ON (CYXZ) with one pilot onboard. While
in flight over Lake Wawa, the pilot noticed erratic indications with the airspeed and the engine
exhaust gas temperature (EGT) and subsequently decided to conducted a precautionary landing
on the lake. During the landing on the lake surface, the floats dug into the water and the aircraft
flipped over. The pilot, who was wearing a personal flotation device (PFD), egressed the aircraft
and was rescued by the police, who was notified by witnesses on the shore. While the aircraft was
floating inverted, the pilot noticed that the wheels were extended for ground landing. The aircraft
was hoisted out of the water by helicopter. After an initial inspection, only damage to the wing
fabric was found.
Re: Floatplane Crash Thread
"C-FVIA, de Havilland DHC-2 MK1, equipped with floats and operated by True North Airways Inc.
was departing Pilgrim Lake, Ontario with 5 people on board. Shortly after getting airborne the pilot
elected to abort the take-off, as the aircraft was approaching the shoreline and the rising terrain
sooner than he had expected. During the landing, while maneuvering through a narrow section of
the lake, it was reported that the left wing-tip struck a tree. The aircraft touched down on the
remaining lake, which widened out after the narrow section, but the aircraft ran aground and struck
trees at the end of the lake. There were no injuries, but the aircraft received substantial damage to
the floats and leading edges of the wings."
was departing Pilgrim Lake, Ontario with 5 people on board. Shortly after getting airborne the pilot
elected to abort the take-off, as the aircraft was approaching the shoreline and the rising terrain
sooner than he had expected. During the landing, while maneuvering through a narrow section of
the lake, it was reported that the left wing-tip struck a tree. The aircraft touched down on the
remaining lake, which widened out after the narrow section, but the aircraft ran aground and struck
trees at the end of the lake. There were no injuries, but the aircraft received substantial damage to
the floats and leading edges of the wings."
Re: Floatplane Crash Thread
Looks like a safe deadstick landing on the water by this Beaver.......
"C-FMAS, a De Havilland DHC2-MK1 aircraft, operated by Kississing Lake Lodge Ltd. was enroute
from Kasba Lake (CJL8) NWT to Flin Flon (CYFO) MB with only the pilot on board. While in cruise,
the engine (P&W R985) oil pressure dropped to 0 PSI. The pilot performed a precautionary
shutdown of the engine and then completed a successful forced landing on a nearby lake
(Reindeer Lake, SK). After landing, the pilot contacted the base using a satellite phone and
informed them of his situation."
"C-FMAS, a De Havilland DHC2-MK1 aircraft, operated by Kississing Lake Lodge Ltd. was enroute
from Kasba Lake (CJL8) NWT to Flin Flon (CYFO) MB with only the pilot on board. While in cruise,
the engine (P&W R985) oil pressure dropped to 0 PSI. The pilot performed a precautionary
shutdown of the engine and then completed a successful forced landing on a nearby lake
(Reindeer Lake, SK). After landing, the pilot contacted the base using a satellite phone and
informed them of his situation."
Re: Floatplane Crash Thread
Via Google Translate.......
"C-FAUE, a private Commander 285 homebuilder aircraft, was on a flight under
visual flight rules from Klemka Lake, QC to Lac Sébastien Seaplane Base, QC
(CTD3) with 1 pilot and 2 passengers on board. The aircraft taxied towards the northwest part of the lake
to take off in a southeasterly direction. During the take-off roll, the aircraft did not
not taken off where the floats usually rise from the water. The pilot tried
to maneuver to raise the right float to facilitate take-off, but the right float
left rose suddenly. The pilot then reacted to bring the airplane back to horizontal. This
the latter subsequently took off without the pilot having commanded the manoeuvre. Seeing that
the distances with the terrain to the front and the right side were too short for him to
pass over it, the pilot made a turn to the left. As a result, the pilot felt that
the aircraft was descending. He ensured that the engine power control was set to the
full power and lowered the nose of the aircraft to regain more speed. The left wing
suddenly banked and the aircraft no longer maintained its altitude. The pilot cut the engine and
the aircraft collided with water. The 3 people on board were able to extricate themselves and swim
to the nearest shore. They were rescued by witnesses who went to collect them
with a boat. The aircraft sank. Two helicopters were dispatched to the scene to evacuate
and transport the 3 injured people to a hospital in Chicoutimi."
"C-FAUE, a private Commander 285 homebuilder aircraft, was on a flight under
visual flight rules from Klemka Lake, QC to Lac Sébastien Seaplane Base, QC
(CTD3) with 1 pilot and 2 passengers on board. The aircraft taxied towards the northwest part of the lake
to take off in a southeasterly direction. During the take-off roll, the aircraft did not
not taken off where the floats usually rise from the water. The pilot tried
to maneuver to raise the right float to facilitate take-off, but the right float
left rose suddenly. The pilot then reacted to bring the airplane back to horizontal. This
the latter subsequently took off without the pilot having commanded the manoeuvre. Seeing that
the distances with the terrain to the front and the right side were too short for him to
pass over it, the pilot made a turn to the left. As a result, the pilot felt that
the aircraft was descending. He ensured that the engine power control was set to the
full power and lowered the nose of the aircraft to regain more speed. The left wing
suddenly banked and the aircraft no longer maintained its altitude. The pilot cut the engine and
the aircraft collided with water. The 3 people on board were able to extricate themselves and swim
to the nearest shore. They were rescued by witnesses who went to collect them
with a boat. The aircraft sank. Two helicopters were dispatched to the scene to evacuate
and transport the 3 injured people to a hospital in Chicoutimi."
Re: Floatplane Crash Thread
C-GUZN, a private Cessna U206G, was on a visual flight rules flight from
Sakami River, QC to Guyer Lake. QC with only the pilot on board. After having
disembarked a passenger at a hunting camp located on the Sakami River, the aircraft began its
take off on the Sakami river. During the take-off run, the aircraft struck a bank of
sand and flipped onto his back in the water near the shore. The pilot was slightly injured. the
passenger went to assist the pilot, who then activated the emergency locator beacon
(ELT), thereby alerting the Joint Rescue Coordination Center (JRCC) of
Trenton, ON, who dispatched a team to rescue them and transport them to Val-
D'Or, QC where they were taken care of.
Sakami River, QC to Guyer Lake. QC with only the pilot on board. After having
disembarked a passenger at a hunting camp located on the Sakami River, the aircraft began its
take off on the Sakami river. During the take-off run, the aircraft struck a bank of
sand and flipped onto his back in the water near the shore. The pilot was slightly injured. the
passenger went to assist the pilot, who then activated the emergency locator beacon
(ELT), thereby alerting the Joint Rescue Coordination Center (JRCC) of
Trenton, ON, who dispatched a team to rescue them and transport them to Val-
D'Or, QC where they were taken care of.
Re: Floatplane Crash Thread
Hoping to fly an amphibious aircraft soon. I will admit that on the regular floatplane, the checklist does not get used for all aspects of flight(only for ground ops before takeoff). On the amphibious aircraft, I do plan to be meticulous with the checklist for the entire flight.
C-GFUD, a privately registered, amateur-built, amphibious Seastar SP, was on a local flight from
Boundary Bay (CZBB), BC, with 2 pilots on board. The aircraft completed a touch-and-go on Pitt
River, BC and, on the second landing, the aircraft nosed over into the water. The pilots egressed
and were rescued by a passing vessel. The vessel towed the aircraft to shore. The pilots sustained
minor injuries and the aircraft sustained substantial damage. The ELT activated. After the accident,
the pilots verified that the landing gear was in the down position.
The aircraft was disassembled and transported to a hangar where an assessment will be
conducted to determine the repair requirements.
C-GFUD, a privately registered, amateur-built, amphibious Seastar SP, was on a local flight from
Boundary Bay (CZBB), BC, with 2 pilots on board. The aircraft completed a touch-and-go on Pitt
River, BC and, on the second landing, the aircraft nosed over into the water. The pilots egressed
and were rescued by a passing vessel. The vessel towed the aircraft to shore. The pilots sustained
minor injuries and the aircraft sustained substantial damage. The ELT activated. After the accident,
the pilots verified that the landing gear was in the down position.
The aircraft was disassembled and transported to a hangar where an assessment will be
conducted to determine the repair requirements.
Re: Floatplane Crash Thread
This happens time and time and time again!pelmet wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:30 am Hoping to fly an amphibious aircraft soon. I will admit that on the regular floatplane, the checklist does not get used for all aspects of flight(only for ground ops before takeoff). On the amphibious aircraft, I do plan to be meticulous with the checklist for the entire flight.
C-GFUD, a privately registered, amateur-built, amphibious Seastar SP, was on a local flight from
Boundary Bay (CZBB), BC, with 2 pilots on board. The aircraft completed a touch-and-go on Pitt
River, BC and, on the second landing, the aircraft nosed over into the water. The pilots egressed
and were rescued by a passing vessel. The vessel towed the aircraft to shore. The pilots sustained
minor injuries and the aircraft sustained substantial damage. The ELT activated. After the accident,
the pilots verified that the landing gear was in the down position.
The aircraft was disassembled and transported to a hangar where an assessment will be
conducted to determine the repair requirements.
Total lack of discipline!Never fly cross country with the wheel gear down.
Treat an amphibian like a retractable wheel aircraft! Always retract the wheel gear on every earth
runway takeoff. Always VERIFY the wheel gear is retracted and up for water landings. Always VERIFY the wheel gear is down and locked for earth landings ! Always use a checklist!I have done many 6 minute flights from the runway to the water and back to the runway in amphibians. VERIFY, VERIFY, VERIFY that the wheel gear is where you want it for all landings!
Rant over!
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Re: Floatplane Crash Thread
Pelmet,pelmet wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:30 am Hoping to fly an amphibious aircraft soon. I will admit that on the regular floatplane, the checklist does not get used for all aspects of flight(only for ground ops before takeoff). On the amphibious aircraft, I do plan to be meticulous with the checklist for the entire flight.
Trust you are well.
I would suggest that you treat strait float and amphibious float ops in the same manner.
Should you ever find yourself bouncing between one and the other, being disciplined will help keep you and those on board safe.
Fly safe,
TPC
Re: Floatplane Crash Thread
So after a successful water landing, and presumably planning a second water landing, the pilot extended the landing gear!?!The aircraft completed a touch-and-go on Pitt River, BC and, on the second landing, the aircraft nosed over into the water. ..... After the accident, the pilots verified that the landing gear was in the down position.
On any plane with retractable landing gear, which includes wheel/ski planes: Speak out loud the position you presently observe the landing gear to be, and the surface you're about to land on - does what you just said make sense?
And, wear your lifejacket for water landings.
Re: Floatplane Crash Thread
You are no doubt correct.TeePeeCreeper wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 5:01 pmPelmet,pelmet wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:30 am Hoping to fly an amphibious aircraft soon. I will admit that on the regular floatplane, the checklist does not get used for all aspects of flight(only for ground ops before takeoff). On the amphibious aircraft, I do plan to be meticulous with the checklist for the entire flight.
Trust you are well.
I would suggest that you treat strait float and amphibious float ops in the same manner.
Should you ever find yourself bouncing between one and the other, being disciplined will help keep you and those on board safe.
Fly safe,
TPC
Re: Floatplane Crash Thread
A link here:
https://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/i/g ... -reddet-ut
to a video of a floaplane crash in Norway recently. The pilot is known to a friend of mine there. Everyone made it out okay (a testament to Cessna structure!). My friend says the a seal lock releasing at the wrong time may have been a factor.
https://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/i/g ... -reddet-ut
to a video of a floaplane crash in Norway recently. The pilot is known to a friend of mine there. Everyone made it out okay (a testament to Cessna structure!). My friend says the a seal lock releasing at the wrong time may have been a factor.
Re: Floatplane Crash Thread
Fortunately, not a crash. Just an interesting incident.
C-FDKC, a privately registered Lake LA-4 Amphibian aircraft, had just landed into the wind on Big
Rideau Lake near Jerry Island, ON and was slowing down when the pilot noticed left wing was
getting close to the water. The pilot then noticed that the left sponson was missing. The pilot was
able to taxi to a nearby dock and utilizing a paddle board attached to the left wing was then able to
taxi the aircraft to a boat ramp where the aircraft could be pulled up on to land. There is no
apparent damage to the aircraft.
The aircraft was released and the aircraft owners in consultation with and AME and Transport
Canada will determine how best to get the aircraft back to the home base at Rockcliffe (CYRO).
The owners will also get the AME to look at the sponson attachments and get back to us with what
is found.
C-FDKC, a privately registered Lake LA-4 Amphibian aircraft, had just landed into the wind on Big
Rideau Lake near Jerry Island, ON and was slowing down when the pilot noticed left wing was
getting close to the water. The pilot then noticed that the left sponson was missing. The pilot was
able to taxi to a nearby dock and utilizing a paddle board attached to the left wing was then able to
taxi the aircraft to a boat ramp where the aircraft could be pulled up on to land. There is no
apparent damage to the aircraft.
The aircraft was released and the aircraft owners in consultation with and AME and Transport
Canada will determine how best to get the aircraft back to the home base at Rockcliffe (CYRO).
The owners will also get the AME to look at the sponson attachments and get back to us with what
is found.
Re: Floatplane Crash Thread
Happily, the wing tip float of an LA-4 is designed so that if ripped away, the structure of the wing should not be damaged. It would be hard to argue "airwrorthy" but LA-4's have been known to be flown home with only one. I know a fellow in an other country, who, following a waterloop, flew out of the lake to the airport with both wing tip floats missing. He was aided by two small boats to steady the wings for the beginning of takeoff.
If the wing tip float were torn away by a direct strike, the pilot would certainly know they had hit something! A wing tip float can be torn away sideways in a waterloop, though I expect that the pilot would also be aware that that had happened! If waterlooped, an LA-4 needs a structural inspection in the tail. A very quick inspection for the presence of the wing tip float attaching bolts (or not) would be a first start in figuring out what had happened
Many of the German Dornier, and US Boeing flying boats had sponsons, which are a part of the fuselage.
If the wing tip float were torn away by a direct strike, the pilot would certainly know they had hit something! A wing tip float can be torn away sideways in a waterloop, though I expect that the pilot would also be aware that that had happened! If waterlooped, an LA-4 needs a structural inspection in the tail. A very quick inspection for the presence of the wing tip float attaching bolts (or not) would be a first start in figuring out what had happened
Many of the German Dornier, and US Boeing flying boats had sponsons, which are a part of the fuselage.
Re: Floatplane Crash Thread
May be a silly question but will ask anyways.....can a regular floatplane waterloop?PilotDAR wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:32 am Happily, the wing tip float of an LA-4 is designed so that if ripped away, the structure of the wing should not be damaged. It would be hard to argue "airwrorthy" but LA-4's have been known to be flown home with only one. I know a fellow in an other country, who, following a waterloop, flew out of the lake to the airport with both wing tip floats missing. He was aided by two small boats to steady the wings for the beginning of takeoff.
If the wing tip float were torn away by a direct strike, the pilot would certainly know they had hit something! A wing tip float can be torn away sideways in a waterloop, though I expect that the pilot would also be aware that that had happened! If waterlooped, an LA-4 needs a structural inspection in the tail. A very quick inspection for the presence of the wing tip float attaching bolts (or not) would be a first start in figuring out what had happened
Many of the German Dornier, and US Boeing flying boats had sponsons, which are a part of the fuselage.
